We were all curious about it yesterday, and it looks like they have finally popped up. Hasbro has some "official" names for our favorite background ponies. Obviously due to legal reasons, they couldn't use the fanon ones.
Lyra is above, and Berry Punch/Blues/Carrot Top can be found after the break.
Note: For the sake of not driving fanfiction archives everywhere insane, please keep using the fanon names for those! Or at least include that your "Heartstrings" in the story should be filed under Lyra.
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Our names are way better why can't they use them?
ReplyDeleteOh and where can everypony buy these?
Hmmmm
ReplyDeleteBerryshine is growing on me. I like Golden Harvest. I can see Heartstrings as a last name.
But I prefer blues.
Wait thats not berry punch, THATS A UNICORN!! Iz new pony
ReplyDeleteI... I don't even... no thank you. I'm just going to ignore these and carry on.
ReplyDeleteHeartstrings is an awesome name. I like that one.
ReplyDeleteI'd be more attached to Berryshine (the name is close enough for me.) if she didn't clearly have a horn, so that kills the chances of that name sticking to me.
I never even knew Noteworthy had a fan nickname to begin with and the name is quite a good one anyway and Golden Harvest is just a rubbish name.
Two for four, not bad. Though I doubt any of these names will stick until they're used in the show itself.
Though I do think it's cool that fan input has graduated the background characters to full figure status.
And no, they couldn't use the fan names, legal reasons and such.
@ unknown / TheBlackBaron
ReplyDeleteSo far all non-main characters have had recolored art of the main characters. That's nothing new. The actual Fluttershy toy is even a recolored Rainbow Dash. They are ment to be the characters in the show. Hasbro is just lazy in the art departement.
Seriously, bronies have been asking for toys of the background ponies for ages and now that they are getting them they can only complain. Did anyone really think that Hasbro would have used the fan names if they ever appeared in the show or toyline? They always were just placeholder names. Everyone could have seen this coming.
Ahahahahahaha....NO!
ReplyDeleteI don't care what the fanon is, I'm going to call them by their official names. "Heartstrings" and "Golden Harvest" seem a lot more appropriate to me.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I prefer "Berry Punch" over Berryshine but meh.
What if we never knew the names of the mane 6 and could only name them according to their cutie marks?
Twilight Sparkle would be "Twinkle Star"
Rainbow Dash would be "Rainbow Bolt"
Hell Pinky Pie would be... "Party Balloons"? O_o
Yeah, I prefer the fanon names (except noteworthy, that works).
ReplyDeleteAlso, purely for the vectors, those aren't lyra or carrot top. Also, Berry Punch isn't a unicorn, ergo blind bag ponies =/= fan-loved ponies (like everyone said, cheap vectoring)
I like Lyra Heartstrings as a last name.
ReplyDeleteGolden Harvest? Yeah, no.
Blues Noteworthy is good though, makes him sound classical and fancy.
Are you people blind? Those clearly aren't the same ponies.
ReplyDeleteObvious solution for Lyra is obvious... Her surname is Heartstrings. To make this a little longer, have some headcanon: Lyra is an agent of Celestia's, ordered to keep watch over Twilight, and as such followed her from Canterlot to Ponyville, where she met and fell in love with Bon Bon.
ReplyDeleteLast I checked, Berry Punch was EP, not Unicorn. So we can completely ignore "Berryshine"'s existence.
Noteworthy can probably be used for Blues now, his name change makes the most sense when you remember the Japanese name for Protoman is "Blues", which would still be under a copyright thanks to Megaman 10.
Golden Harvest? No thanks, I tried filling out a D&D card for her with that name and... "I couldn't fit it all in". Carrot Top fit great.
I'd like to look past the names for a moment and just say:
ReplyDeleteOH MY GOD A BOY PONY. THANK CELESTIA. IT'S ABOUT TIME.
I have been pestering Hasbro at the official convention for YEARS to finally release a new male!
@schnickschnacks
ReplyDeleteI'm well aware that in the toys Fluttershy's been demoted to a Rainbow Dash palette swap. Hence why I'm of the opinion that as far as describing the show and its characters though, the toy line ought to be disregarded.
Having a canon name hasn't cause you guys to abandon the fanon name before. Remember Tom Dan? You just combined the two names so make a full name. Lyra Heartstrings is perfect.
ReplyDeleteSo they're making toys of the background ponies that everyone loves, but changing the names we've established, therefore giving us something to discuss.[/tylerdurdenmeme]
ReplyDeleteHey, I think it's pretty cool that they're even making toys of these. It's just a little bit of communication between the show and the toy manufacturers, which is a good step.
I'm wondering if they'd even be ALLOWED to use the fan names, though. I'm not sure what law that would break, but it almost seems like they wouldn't be able to even if they wanted.
T_T... they're friggin' re-colors. I am displeased...
ReplyDeleteI do not think that the blind bag ponies are supposed to be the fanon characters that we all know.
ReplyDelete1. (As pointed out above.) Berry Punch is an earth pony therefore she cannot be Berryshine who is a unicorn.
2. Blues has a different cutie mark than Noteworthy so they are not the same pony. (See Winter Wrap Up for Blues’ cutie mark.)
3. Heartstrings, while similar in appearance, is not Lyra. It took me a moment to figure out what was different. Both the card and the toy shown for the blind bag pony have a single color (white) for her mane and tail. Lyra, on the other hand, has a two toned mane and tail. (White and light blue.)
4. Seeing that Golden Harvest is not Carrot Top takes a little bit more scrutiny, but there are differences between the two that show that they are different ponies. In both Lesson Zero and Winter Wrap up Carrot top has a tail with three distinct curls to it. Golden Harvest as both a toy and on the card has a tail very similar to Pinkie Pie which would indicate they are not the same.
Many “background” ponies have a similar color scheme which happens throughout the show sometimes even in the same scene. If anything these new grab bag ponies may be a nod to fanon created characters rather than Hasbro trying to give them official names by creating blind bag ponies with enough similarities that they could easily be mistaken for their fanon and show counterparts.
I now will now call Lyra, Lyra Heartstrings
ReplyDeleteCarrot Top, Carrot Golden Harvest Top
Unfortunately fanon names couldnt be used because the person who first used that name for that pony could go to Hasbro and say "You're stealing my intellectual property. Where's my cut?"
ReplyDeleteThe public domain argument is kinda valid, but from a business standpoint its easier to use your own name, copyright it, and cover all the legal bases. :\
@Random_User
ReplyDeleteNot only is Golden Harvest just a recolor of Pinkie Pie but she has a different cutie mark from Carrot Top.
Golden Harvest has 2 carrots on her flank while Carrot Top has 3.
with good enough observation anyone can see that these are indeed different background ponies from the ones in the show.
Those recolors~
ReplyDeleteThe new names suck. Why the heck would Hasbro not be allowed to use the fanon names? They OWN the freakin' ponies, for pete's sake!
ReplyDeleteWhere are these sold at!? Want!
ReplyDeleteAs I said in my post; Hasbro may own the ponies but the fan names are intellectual property and as much as WE dont care if they use them, legally, if someone showed up (the person who first came up with the name), Hasbro would HAVE to give them a share of merch profits. :\
ReplyDelete@Ropera
ReplyDeleteThank you for pointing that out. I did not see the 3 carrots for Carrot top vs. 2 with Golden Harvest, until after I had posted.
It is amazing to me all the drama that has happened due to just 4 blind bag ponies that are not even the characters that some think they are. Here at E.D. people, for the most part, seem to be civil about this. On other sites, not so much.
Oh no! Now Wooden Toast has to re-write his song! And all the remixes for it. What have you done Hasbro?!
ReplyDeleteLegal system be in our fandom killin our poni names.
ReplyDeletenew names suck...owell
ReplyDeleteis it just me, or do those pictures look familiar?
ReplyDeleteOh, hey, four new ponies. Fanfic authors, get to work putting them in something.
ReplyDeleteNoteworthy is cute, but Golden Harvest is the worst name ever. A redhead who grows carrots? Carrot Top is obviously her name. :P
ReplyDeleteNoteworthy sounds kind of sophisticated. Golden Harvest is nice because it no longer makes me think of the monstrosity the comedian Carrot Top has become. But just like Ditzy Doo will always be Derpy to me, I'll always call these two Lyra and Berry Punch.
ReplyDeleteCome on guys, give the canon names a chance. You just gotta let go of the old names you guys have created and face the fact that those are no longer their names.
ReplyDeleteAll things considered, this isn't too big a deal. We essentially created these background ponies, I mean sure, we didn't design them, but we named them, gave them stories, made them who they are today, and who they always will be. This is just the marketing department talking, and really, who cares what they say? Lyra is Lyra, Carrot Top is Carrot Top, and unless you think combining the names like 'Lyra Heartstrings' is ok, then these names will never become widely used. So again, not a big deal.
ReplyDelete"Obviously due to legal reasons, they couldn't use the fanon ones."
ReplyDeleteWhy? It's not like the fans copyrighted it.
Renaming 'Carrot Top' to 'Golden harvest' ? ...*JUST* because of a blind bag ?
ReplyDeleteThis is damn ridiculous, seriously.
Same thing with Lyra's case.
Seriously... No one will ever call her ''heartstrings'' in stories, or probably not much anywhere... Just because ''Blind bags'' is hardly a strong enough reason to force that name down people's throat.
Also, the 'toy' here is a recolor of Twilight... hardly Lyra.
...bah !
If we start renaming ponies because of toys... I don't know where this could end, but probably not in a good place.
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>Note: For the sake of not driving fanfiction archives everywhere insane, please keep using the fanon names for those!
-I agree on that, 100%, but not just to ''not drive the archive insane''...
Everything is copyrighted by the person who created it the moment it's put on a fixed medium. That is to say, on a piece of paper, or in a computer file. Also, names aren't copyrighted; they're trademarked, but the same rule applies. Even if the fans released their copyrights and trademarks, it's easier for Hasbro to make their own.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, the majority of us believe that only the show can override fanon. The toys are not a credible enough source, simply because they're all recolors of the Mane 6. Even so, we've reached an acceptable compromise: the blind bag names are simply part of their full names. Fanon is very flexible, and bends itself to reflect canon. Only the wiki admins, and a few people here who are most definitely in the minority, think this completely destroys the fanon.
@Pixel Coder
ReplyDeleteI would... agree with what you said.
But, about the 'wiki admins', I would add that, right now, they are doing a DAMN fine job antagonizing the fans by force-changing ALL application of her name... placing a ''thingy'' that PREVENT the name 'Lyra' to be added in her description (the SIDE description, not the main case for the name, but that too)... and *threatening* people of baning and deleting comments and stuff...
Oddly enough... this 'kinda' reminds me or something simillar that happened a long time ago...
Yep, they've pretty much backed themselves into a corner, refusing to listen to reason and defending their position until the bitter end. Meanwhile, most of the rest of us have started ignoring the wiki and its problems and moved on. And still call her Lyra. :)
ReplyDeleteProblem solved folks.
ReplyDeleteLyra Heartstrings - it works rather well
Berryshine - Berry Punch's unicorn sister, go write some fanfics on it now.
Noteworthy Blues - c wut i did thar? Has a nice ring to it too.
Golden Harvest - I believe we see her in the new episode (ep. 5). Carrot's sister? Cousin? Relative of some sort. Again, go write fanfics nao!
There. Happy now, everypony? Use a bit of imagination (raaaaainboooow!) and everything works out :)
I wish we would get some official word on this from the staff of the show to see if these are suppose to be the ponies from the show or not.
ReplyDeleteSomeone should pm one of them of something.They might actually reply to a pm than just a comment on their DA page were they probably won't see it.
I like Golden Harvest as a name, to be honest. Not the others though.
ReplyDelete@Aesahaettr-
ReplyDeleteLyra... Heartstrings...
I suppose it could make for a valid 'family name' for Lyra.
It ''could'' even go with that one theory saying that her parents are from the nobility of Canterlot... kinda like 'family names' are given to nobles or ponies with noble blood in their family... or something.
Dear Celestia, that Carrot T- er, Golden Harvest, looks great. Do want. (Considering I run carrottopanswers, it'd make sense...)
ReplyDelete@applebeams
Not according to the wiki. Apparently using toy names is more accurate than fanon names (which, as we all know, are the names everypony knows them by). I mean, I see their logic for Hasbro > Fandom, but for background ponies? It is their wiki, though, so whatever strikes their fancy...
@Nova25
ReplyDeleteThe admins of the mlp.wikia are even WORSE than I thought.
They also go to others wiki and say stuff like :
>Thanks for showing me exactly how the wiki would look if there were no requirement for reliable sources.
>this is very fan speculated...a little to much..
So, not content on baning and antagonizing people in their ''wiki'', they go elsewhere to make fans angry...
Seriously... This smells bad.
The wiki operators just have their heads so far up their asses that they don't realize that you could back up the statement, "This pony is widely recognized under the fan name Lyra" with 30000+ different links. You are speaking about a general fact; there isn't going to be a specific citation that proves it as the information is so universal that it is taken for granted.
ReplyDeleteWikipedia does "citation needed" BS like this a lot too. Experts in the field come in and make changes based on what is common knowledge in the field but then get it changed back because they need to write a paper about something trivial and link to it to get it changed. Oftentimes the cited work is less accurate than the common knowledge consensus that would otherwise be there.
Also, you cannot claim copyright on a character or character name just because you thought it up first. You must have a trademark on it. When you create a musical or artist work for example, you immediately have a copyright on it without needing to do anything else. A character MUST be either registered as a trademark (usually done in advance), or be able to be proven in court to be strongly and widely associated with one particular owner.
There are ZERO legal grounds stopping Hasbro from using a fan name for the characters, except where those fan names already have a strong association with another entity (Carrot Top.) Lyra may fit here too because from what I understand, the trademark on most of the G1 ponies passed out of Hasbro's hands, but I have no idea who owns it now or any of the other details on that.
o.o I don't know.... we get cheesy names for our beloved characters and we instantly blame Hasbro for this.....
ReplyDelete~A company who recognises us and our Fandom. ~Mentioned us and DJ pon3 on a their commercial.
~Let's the creators of the show have direct contact with the masses and gets ideas, give out little "treats" of episodes and details pertaining to them.
~Finding out that they had an eye issue with our beloved Walled Eyed Mare, see the rave about her and how loved she is, then decide to keep her that way!!! {Thank you!!!!}
Case In point: I still believe that Lesson Zero was made for us. I mean... Creepy Sparkle, Psychoshy, Drama Queen Rarity, Deal with It Dash All of them seem to follow on what the Meme's and Fandom created for them.
I Personally don't think that Hasbro really has anything to do with the naming of the Toys and how they are made. I believe its the branch that makes the toys. Hasbro tries to take care of their veiwer... but its like playing god... you can't take care of everything in one go to please everyone. Lets just hope that these characters are just side Ponies and not the officials. Even if they are, It's not going to be a big deal. We'll still keep our characters and use these characters as side ones anyway.
hah err Toylestia?....
And umm Ditzy doo?..... issue with the name game but it still fits her.... Proof of Concept?.... Mayhaps?
@Derpy for Derpy
ReplyDeleteJust want to point out that, for Derpy/Ditzy and other minor *winks* at the fandom... all this comes from the producers, animators, Laurent Faust, etc... Not the 'Company' Hasbro itself.
As a 'Company', they are of course in for the money first, the rest later.
It's the employees, who sometimes manage to slip a few 'easter eggs' or manage to convince the 'Company' that it would be profitable for them to allow some *winks* at the fanbase...
Here... they take a basic model of Twilight Sparkle, color it like one of the background ponies, and quickly slap a random name on it for quick money.
Sadly, I don't think the people 'making' the series had a word to say about the name of those toys.
I doubt the people of Hasbro's marketing department read or pay attention to the fandom that much... or else, they would have seen those THOUSANDS of mentions of the names of Lyra, Berry Punch, Carrot Top, etc...
Um. I like how there's actually a male pony, there. They're obviously trying to do SOMETHING here by have an actual male pony figurine. (Unless I missed an article about a Big Mac one earlier or something. :X)
ReplyDeleteSomeone on the mlp.wikia said something VERY interesting, about the 'weakness' of the reliability from toys.
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Sorry to interrupt but there was some guy over at Reddit who perfectly explained why the toys shouldn't be considered canon: http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/346aa8316671323dc9d3f8d540658fcf/80212%20-%20Cutie_Mark_Crusaders%20Hasbro%20Sweetie_Belle%20apple_bloom%20cheerilee%20meta%20scootaloo%20toy.png
I say we stick to Lyra until the show has told us not to.
(end copy/paste)
Toys are HARDLY a proof of anything, when it come to names at least...
I love when a herdmind comes together.
ReplyDeleteI hate how I didn't hear about this until friday, and couldn't get a link to the names what I thought was yet to be posted here.
I'll have to say that we could have them prefer the names we gave them, for example, my stepdad goes by his middle name.
I like the Lyra Heartstrings full name idea, and that 'Berry' in Berry Punch is short for Berryshine. (The enhanced alchol reference wins an internet)
Poor Carrot-Top... The fridge where they had kept the good names must have been emptied. :P
I never managed to commit Blues' existence to memory, yet alone a name. So whatever.
http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Incidental_Unicorn_2
ReplyDeleteWell, would you like at that? Not Heartstrings anymore! Ain't that just super-dandy!?
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ReplyDelete@Shadowdemon137
ReplyDeleteIncidental Unicorn 2...
The admins REALLY are trying to antagonize and shit on people...
I'm starting to hear things brewing over some... parts... of the Internet... I can see a few people that will not appreciate that kind of dirty-trick...
...could it be the start of a Second chan-fan-war (or something similar), or whatever had happened a few (6 ? 8?) months ago ? (I heard about it a bit)
@Nova25
ReplyDeleteWe are not trying to. You guys don't trust Hasbro, so we trusted a layout artist.
Pray tell what these things you are hearing.
Oh wait, nevermind. It was changed back.
ReplyDelete@Shadowdemon137
ReplyDelete......''Incidental Unicorn 2'' was basicly the generic name for a background pony, in this case a unicorn.
This hardly qualify(ied) as a ''name'', to call a pony ''Generic unicorn #2'', you know ?
......For Hasbro's **TOY** name, well, they make Pink Celestia, and name Applebloom-->Scootaloo, and Scootaloo-->Applebloom... toys are really not THE most reliable thing in the world...
......Lyra was a chosen name by hundreds, if not thousands of loyal fans. Although not super-duper-extreme level of ''official'', it IS official-fanname.
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*roll my eyes*
Since TOYS don't hold much reliability, just use it as her 'family name (last name)'... pretty much the only thing it could be worth using for.
-Lyra, Lyra Heartstrings.
(*Insert James Bond reference*)
THIS!! Is weak...HASBRO!! Y U NO HAVE BETTER EXCUSE FOR NOT USING FANON NAMES?!
ReplyDelete@Voax
ReplyDeleteRemaining calm (capital letters ?) can only help, in this matter.
Most will continue with Lyra, anyway... the others will give Lyra a 'family name' in the form of 'Heartstrings'.
Lyra, Lyra Heartstrings.
If you change Derpy name.
ReplyDeleteI'm no longer a brony, I'll be simply a fan.
Meh, after the Derpbacle, I don't expect Hasbro to get all the fanon properly incorporated into canon exactly the way any one person or even a numerical majority of persons sees it. Really, I mean, isn't canon just Hasbro's version of fanon? I try to just accept that everypony's fanon (even Hasbro's!) is going to be slightly different and should be seen as an expression of their take on the characters involved, not as a deliberate dis towards my own personal take because it doesn't "get everything just right"! That being said, I will also share that Sitting Lyra will always be Sitting Lyra for me. Enjoy your Sitting Heartstrings, those of you who like that meme better!
ReplyDeleteWell since Berry Punch does not have a horn I'm going to say that Berryshine and Berry Punch are not the same pony
ReplyDeleteAnyone else notice the cards are english and another language? (Maybe french?)
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