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On the issue on Derpy whether she'll have the same Derp face expression and stuff. As an animator of the show, rest assured, she'll be fine.He also goes into detail about not pointing fingers and blaming people about this (Something you should all probably listen to!).
Check out his entire message on the Deviant Art page here, or after the break!
There is also an initiative going on for here, find that here.
It seems there has been alot of buzz about Derpy being "fixed". I saw the New version of Derpy in "The Last Round-Up" and I do admit it didn't settle well with me. I still enjoyed the original. I didn't like the reason why they had her change. It didn't seem at all offensive in my opinion. When I first saw the scene in the animatic, I literally burst with joy. But I had a feeling that it might not settle with some fans and some people. Especially since people already have their own version of Derpy and people might get the wrong idea of her character.
Its not often that cartoons show fan content. Cause sometimes when you include Fan content, it usually can result to something negative (to fans or to others). And sometimes it also endangers the identity/essence of the show. Or if people like it, they will probably expect a lot more.To the point they might expect TOO much. So you could imagine my surprise when they decided to name Derpy and give her a voice.
Derpy has became more than just some fancy Easter egg in the show. She's became an Icon, a symbol to the fans of MLP:FIM. Though Derpy was created in a studio, her character was created by the fans. You can probably say that she represents all Bronies everywhere. Fans have enjoyed Derpy whenever they see her in the background until the point when she talked. The entire studio loves her as well. I was there in one of those Livestream chatrooms when people first heard her talk. It was quite entertaining how happy people were. So its no surprise to see people get really upset by this.
In a way, I understand why majority of fans are upset but blaming, pointing fingers and throwing hate around is not the way to do this. You're forgetting your own motto "Love and Tolerance". You bronies are one of inspiration and our greatest achievement. Don't sully your name by spreading Hate and intolerance. Remember, Tolerance is not the same as acceptance. If you are upset with something, display it in a more positive way. You'll get your message across much better than lashing it out with hate. Show some respect. Show some humility.
Oh I also want to address on a artist name Yamino. I've heard that she has been garnered a lot of hate by the Brony Community due to her not liking Derpy's portrayal. Let it be known, that she had NOTHING to do with the sudden change. She expressed an opinion on Derpy. That is all. She did not ask me to do this or anyone on the staff. I had to say this because the hate she's been receiving is unnecessary. So leave her be.
Also don't spam notes and messages to the people who work on the show. You're probably not going to get much out of it.
On the issue on Derpy whether she'll have the same Derp face expression and stuff. As an animator of the show, rest assured, she'll be fine. The show will still go on and I hope you will continue to support the show. Though Derpy is a great character, she is not essentially the reason why the show is awesome (though she is one of the Reasons). If Derpy never existed on that fateful scene in the first episode, would MLP be a bad show? Remember MLP is a great show because for what it is. I didn't know about Derpy until someone from the Studio pointed it out. I hope you'll still enjoy the show no matter what happens.
I hope this message will ease some of your minds. Thank you.
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@thesuperfly
ReplyDeleteThe reason why some are complaining about that is that it allows us to complain in a civilised manner, yes, but it also asks for us to tolerate.
When you tolerate something, that means that you allow something that displeases you to keep occurring without voicing that displeasure.
The message of civil response is there in the post, and the vast majority of people seem to be getting it. It just isn't worded all that clearly. Which is something to expect when a mantra for dealing with trolls is being carried over to dealing with an entity that can listen to reason.
*raises hand*
ReplyDeleteI'm only pissed off because people were calling her retarded because of her voice. so the deleted her voice.
I'm just glad people can't do that to me because i am a special needs person. just shoveing me away because I look or sound inapropriate.
Okay, I am not not trying to disrespect everyone in the Bronie community but i think we are taking the whole Derpy issue a bit too far. The editors, animators, and storyboard writers already do a great job of making the show, the fact that they changed Ditsy Doo, her original name (which i thought was a great name for her) over to derpy, then give her a voice was awesome. We should not try to push for anything else, let the professionals handle what happens to the the show and the characters within, we have not been disappointed with the results.
ReplyDeleteThe main part of this that bothers me is Hasbro being totally silent on the issue... the fact they haven't made any sort of statement makes this feel like a real slight to the community. They should have enough respect for us to state WHY they did this. That's really the part that make me mad (even more than the change itself, though I was fine with Derpy being Derpy.)
ReplyDeleteI just hope that no one blames Studio B or DHX for any of this, or their fellow bronies. Remember, at the end of the day, this was Hasbro's doing, I'm guessing.
I'm all for expressing discontent especially as it regards Derpy, but it has to be done decently and in order.
ReplyDeleteDon't get aggravated- it's upsetting but blind rage, caps and threats will NOT help us.
Keep perspective- Hasbro has it's own concerns and if there are in fact people who have a problem with her derpiness it's better for them that we take it like the exceedingly manly men we are. Remember that we're the peripheral demographic, not the primary.
Use your foresight- If we do something stupid now, we'll only prove that bronies are immature and ragey like every other overzealous fandom out there. I trust that the show will continue to be just as good as it has been, and I trust that Hasbro isn't really really stupid. Sometimes it's best for the long term that we take a hit in the short term.
Here's the original episode... Providing the link is still up. If it's down, just search youtube for it and specify "HD" and "Over 20 Min" for filters, then look for the episode from the results.
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/PkfJI3fXgXg
Here are my two favorite video capture sites.
http://clipnabber.com/clipnabber_classic.php
http://offliberty.com/
Both are AWESOME for extracting the youtube files. I use both, though I tend to use ClipNabber more for video (they give you a choice among all available formats and resolutions youtube has the video stream available in. OffLiberty tends to auto pic what's usually the highest resolution files, and sometimes throws flv files your way on lower res stuff, but it has a great MP3 extractor. I use it all the time to pull music out of PMVs for my iPod. Side note... OffLiberty works on SoundCloud, for when the free download bandwidth runs out... It really does rock!
Save Derpy's original video, and neither Has-no-bro nor Mapple Computer will be able to take true Derpy away from you.
I agree completely with what has been said here. Especially the bit about leaving Yamino alone. The only reason she received so much hatred was because she was a high-profile name in the fandom. There were fans who were much more outraged over the Derpy drama and actually wrote letters to Hasbro and made petitions, but didn't receive that level of negative attention.
ReplyDeleteDerpy will always be Derpy to those who choose that name for her, and Ditzy to those who do not. And she will always be loved by everyone no matter what.
I wouldn't mind this change if the voice didn't sound phoned in. It lacks any character that the original one had and just sounds bland.
ReplyDeleteIn other words...BUY THE DVD!
ReplyDeleteIt's uncensored and you can have all the Derpy you want in it!
Has anyone else who bought it yesterday off itunes checked their version?
ReplyDeleteI got it yesterday and mine are UNEDITED. I just watched the scene before posting (like a dozen times to make sure)
I did not purchase it during the original release.
Did I get very luck or is there something else going in?
I've heard people getting the unedited version and other people getting the edited one. If I had to make a guess, they may be trying to test the waters to see how a mass release of the edited version fairs.....or it may be a bit glitchy. That too.
ReplyDeleteso has anyone else gotten then unedited version if they purchased it yesterday?
ReplyDeleteregardless I made back ups. Then I made back ups of the back ups. Doing my part to keep the "real" Derpy alive
@Rerick513 I've had mine since the release and it's remained unchanged thankfully. Though you can be sure I'll be stashing backups of it wherever I can.
ReplyDeleteNo amount of soft-pedaling on the part of Hasbro will change the fact that they changed what they originally aired because somebody thought it was offensive. Despite numerous quality checks, some meeting was not held, some issue was not addressed, and the episode aired as was. It IS canon, regardless of what revisionist history they try to write.
ReplyDeleteDerpy is named Derpy. She has wall eyes. She has a voice that makes her sound clumsy. PERIOD.
"love and tolerance" the whole PROBLEM here was that people weren't showing Derpy any love or tolerance, and look where we are now?
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ReplyDeleteIn a way, I understand why majority of fans are upset but blaming, pointing fingers and throwing hate around is not the way to do this. You're forgetting your own motto "Love and Tolerance". You bronies are one of inspiration and our greatest achievement. Don't sully your name by spreading Hate and intolerance. Remember, Tolerance is not the same as acceptance. If you are upset with something, display it in a more positive way. You'll get your message across much better than lashing it out with hate. Show some respect. Show some humility. " - Hater bronies... this.
I have one final thought on the issue: I friggin hate political correctness with a passion. It has now affected (not ruined, but certainly affected) something that I really like, so I took that a bit personally last night.
ReplyDeleteI was fine with Derpy going back to her background status in the episodes following TLR. If we can at least count on seeing her trademark eyes in funny background events, I'll be happy. As people here have said, it really is similar to "Han shot first," except I don't remember if Lucas was facing complaints and bent to the minority or if he just did it on his own free will.
I am angry that this happened after being told everything was more or less all right, but I won't let that get me down. I'll still enjoy the show...and I think I might try and contribute to the fandom in some way today. And remember, no matter what happens in the show, we'll always have Derpy within our community.
Peace out, all.
Thank you and thank you Kreoss. I really am thankful of the show, the studio (especially the animators, producers, writers and voice actors), and most of all, the fan base. I understand how it may be uncomfortable that sudden changes to a beloved character can be overwhelming, but there are times when we have to tolerate it. I am a big fan of Derpy, I love Derpy, and if it means that there might be some changes, then I have to accept the fact that it was the studio's decision. Kreoss gave a positive reassurance that Derpy will be fine in upcoming MLP episodes, she might be a little different but she is still the Derpy that we know and love.
ReplyDeleteThank goodness.
ReplyDeleteI just hope she'll still be called Derpy at a later point...
How about getting a deal with Amazon video? They'd probably be cooler than Apple. I'll just quietly protest this censorship with my wallet.
ReplyDeleteIf anything, it's sad that this is even an issue. It should be obvious that her character wasn't intended as a crass insult towards the mentally handicapped. If that were the case, then what about characters like Homer Simpson, Ed and Johnny 2x4, Johnny Bravo, Peter Griffin, the Mayor of Townsville, Cosmo, Stinky Peterson and Harold Berman, and so many others?
ReplyDeleteThis is silly, plain and simple. If they remove her entirely or even edit her to "fix" what they see as her "character flaws" then it will only prove just how out of touch Hasbro is with its fans.
@Unknown
ReplyDeleteSecond this. However, there's a difference between not acknowledging fanon, and acknowledging it THEN pulling a George Lucas.
I'm so happy to read this. I know I am not the only person who has been significantly upset by this turn of events but at least we have some sort of insight into what's going on at Hasbro's end.
ReplyDeleteIt's good to finally hear from SOMEBODY about this. Seriously, their PR department really dropped the ball with this one by doing all this in secret. They could have easily avoided all this outrage if they'd just kept the fans in the loop. While what Kreoss said was encouraging, it still doesn't address just why this happened, and by whom. Someone from PR still needs to come lay out all the details to get this mess cleared up.
ReplyDeleteWell all hopes of Derpy becoming Mane #7 have been utterly and completely obliterated.
ReplyDeleteI can understand why they altered the voice but to take out her name? Thats going a bit to far imo as "Derpy" is not even a derogitory name or term. Its simply describing the expression on one's face. Cranky Doodle is named as such because he looks that way. Pinkie is called that becuase she's pink. Derpy is called Derpy becuase she has a derpy look. Its not an insult.
My issue with Yamino has never been about Derpy or any opinion she has of Derpy. It's her being attention seeking as a Mai-Hime/yuri fan first and then the same deal as a pony fan. Attention seeking people just annoy me.
ReplyDelete@CityFlyer502
ReplyDeleteoh yeah I've made backups of the backups-backups. If the edit really goes though I'll do my part to keep circulating the tapes.
I'm now attempting a few re-downloads to see what happens. I got the edited version on my second attempt. I'm gonna keep trying to see if it changes.
I have mixed feelings about this.
ReplyDeleteOn one hand, I actually like the new voice better. It gives her more presence. As for the eyes, it is not like they will change them in every episode, right? Right?
But I really don't like having her back into anonymity. That was something big and now it is gone. Well, at least, we know what the writers wanted.
This shitstorm has caused me to be less upset with the change and more disheartened by the fandom.
ReplyDeleteToo many people are getting far too upset over this.
"I literally burst with joy."
ReplyDeleteDid nobody else notice that?
This didnt answer what she's called, or why! all it did was tell us to shut up and she'd still have "Derp" expressions!
ReplyDeleteI'm NOT hating but...why are we content with this?? it still is an example of Political correctness and it's wrong! =/
Im sorry...but I am hurt...im not hating...im just hurt...and I want to cry at this DX
Im not hating, but I feel lied to and hurt...he didn't fix anything...he told us to shut up and be quiet...all we have is his word...we had their word before...)=
ReplyDeleteWe dunno what she'll be called or why this was changed...it was DAMAGE CONTROL! that's all it was...
Im sorry, am not trying to hate, but im...hurt...and I honestly feel used and lied to...I want to cry...please understand, fellow Bronies...she meant a lot to me...this is wrong! =*(
I am sick of you goddamn optimists. Derpy is gone. This is bad. Maybe not EVERYBODY cares, but many bronies are saddened that she is gone. Have some bucking sympathy.
ReplyDelete@Sobakasu
ReplyDeleteMy anger is far more logical than most of the "calm" minds here. This retcon, this censorship is itself offensive. I take HORRIBLE offense to censorship of nearly any kind. That is part of where my anger stems.
DHX/Studio B gave us, as a fan community, a gift. The gift of recognition, by fleshing out a background character that we developed.
The problem is people such as yourself are not looking FORWARD.
This action has a HUGE impact on what DHX/Studio B will be permitted to do in the future. It marks a point where Hasbro will incresingly interfere with the creative process BEFORE the episodes are even completed, to try to avoid these things. Hasbro is on the precipice of smoothing out FiM's wrinkles... Taking away the things that make it unique.
Hasbro has already show how grabby they can get now that Lauren Faust is gone. She vehemently opposed the train. Hasbro insisted on it in Over the Barrel. Now look... It's in the opening credits. I have NO complaint with that, as DHX handled it's inclusion BEAUTIFULLY...
But what happens when hasbro digs their hands even deeper into the cookie jar? What happens when Hasbro says... "No, don't do that. It could be misinterpreted" or "That Princess... We want her to be like Celestia, with wings and a horn. Just fit it in however. We need a summer toy to sell, and we wanna reuse the big mold for the talking toy."... Oh wait... THEY ALREADY DID THAT!!!
Hasbro is getting bolder with their corporate meddling.
I truly won't put it passed Hasbro to devolve G4 into a G4.5 abomination by the time all is said and done.
Censorship, retconning, Corporate Meddling...
The big wigs at hasbro have no idea that if they leave the show alone, and trust DHX's judgement, it'd probably run TWICE as long as it will if they slowly destroy it from the inside out with their meddling!
That...
That, and the fact that Hasbro TOOK the gift DHX gave us AWAY! They won't LET DHX do that again... You're either in denial or stupid if you believe otherwise... So yeah... I have fire of passionate hate for Hasbro right now...
What will I do?
1: I WILL email them and tell them what they have done has offended me.
2: I will tell them I like DHX/Studio B's show, and EMPHASIZE the fact that while they may OWN it... they don't create it... DHX does.
3: I will let them know that I WILL continue to buy merch, ESPECIALLY brony centric merch, because, as much as I hate them right now for what they did... They financially back the show, and I want the show to continue.
4: I will continue to take advantage of every possible leak that might pop up in the future, because, though I do PAY for my episodes, I no longer trust them, and want to make sure I get my untainted copy as soon as I can, lest they CORUPT IT.
So there is my view on the matter.
As I said one before...
DHX/Studio B giveth, and Hasbro taketh away.
He acted like he didnt even CARE how we felt! Thats what makes me sad! )*=
ReplyDeleteAll this and no new episode to cheer me up.
ReplyDeletePonies, if you think derp eyes need to be "fixed" to make anypony "better" then that's your loss...although I would personally be willing to accept that Derpy had some kind of lasik surgery IF that means Hasbro will produce a Derpy brushable figurine with the name "Derpy" on the package and regular eyes. (Notice I said REGULAR eyes, not NORMAL eyes)
ReplyDeleteHasbro didn't make either version of Derpy to anger people any more than anypony makes Derpy fanart to anger people. If anypony's version of Derpy doesn't match up with my own ideal I don't hold it against them, I just pick up a pencil and draw/write/animate my Derps the way I like her. I LIKE Hasbro's willingness to spend extra effort on trying to keep Derpy a great pony and viable for future appearances even if they moved farther away from my personal Derpy.... but I LOVE their willingness to let me fanart the hell out of her if I want to take my personal Derpy in a different direction.
I don't comment on EQD often, but I just have to say that I was really disappointed when I heard about the Derpy change this morning. To me, acknowledging Derpy was a sign that the makers of the show really cared about us enough to let us influence the show itself. As it's been said many times before, "Derp" is generally used to represent clumsiness and recklessness. But people have taken it way out of proportion and are perceiving it as a slag against people with disabilities. This of course resulted in the unfortunate Derpy change. It's saddening that people would take it so far.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, Kreoss is absolutely spot on with what he's saying. If Derpy never existed, the show would still be good. In fact, while I don't agree with the reasons behind the Derpy change, It's good to see that Hasbro is sympathetic enough to want to do something when someone is offended. On top of that, Pointing fingers at people on DeviantArt doesn't resolve anything. It merely results in the ungodly essence known as "Internet Drama," which, as everybody SHOULD know, doesn't get anybody anywhere. I'm all for venting rage, but when you're just doing it to make somebody feel like shit, it's not worth it. Seriously.
In short, Love and Tolerance, fellow Bronies, Love and Tolerance.
OK...To me the new version is alright and is not the reason for my disappointment. The disappointment comes from having to change it in the first place. Also let me say I'm NOT mad at this either, maybe at first I was a little but after I had some time to think about it and cool off I'm not. If the new version was the one that originally aired bronies would love that version. But sense we got the one we did I can see why people are upset.
ReplyDeleteTo the people really mad at this remember that the first version is already out there and can't be taken back. Try and realize you should be happy it was even done at all if the original one one brought you happiness.
Also the people who think this is Apples fault probably already hate Apple and are trying to direct their anger at a familiar target. If you think about it...for a nanosecond...it does't make ANY sense iTunes would edit the episode. It was done there first because the main way the episodes are consumed and the reason some people perceived the new version to sound bad is probably because it was done very fast.
I really wish people that are really freaking out just to take a deep breath and think about it...
Is it really worth jeopardizing what we have just because I didn't get my way? Sure its sucks but it was already created and put on the internet for us to enjoy.
My solution?
ReplyDeleteMake an utterly cute Derpy Hooves Plushie that talks with the original voice and send it to Hasbro. How can they not want to keep her and it forever and ever and ever...
Oh lol, I hate it but find it funny when people forget the motto of the brony.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what kind of a horrible person engineered the "outcry" that caused all this, but they didn't just manage to make the whole community look bad.
ReplyDeleteThey also made sure kids around the world were deprived of some of the episodes of a truly excellent show, and made sure that many other kids would continue to be deprived of the magic that is Friendship, because their parents might be left with the wrong impression due to all this.
They also caused plenty of trouble for the production team and probably for the people working in marketing and management as well.
They sabotaged the show and the community.
I find it hard to believe they did this with good intentions.
How about the motto, "Live Free or Die"?
ReplyDeletePersonally, mine falls more in line with Vash's "Love and Peace". Tolerate..well, I tolerate but not blindly and not without thinking about why I should tolerate something.
I also like the motto, "Censorship Sucks".
Honestly...I hate to say this, but the point needs to be made.
ReplyDeleteSo what?
Not 'so what, a character different than the norm appeared in the show and some ludicrous people got offended, and so a change was made'. Because we as a fandom SHOULD be offended over this.
No, 'so what' as in, do they seriously think this will MATTER?
Here's a fun game. Go to a video streaming site right now. Look up The Last Roundup. Guess which version you find? This is the age of the internet - hysterical soccer moms have little to no power any more, and it's time we reminded them of that.
So sure, the iTunes version of the episode has the edited scene (and poorly edited, no less. You can tell the people doing it were not happy about it). But the fan community can, and I believe will, make absolutely sure that nearly everyone knows which version is the REAL one. In the mean time, this is a matter to be treated just like that of Hasbro taking down episodes from Youtube - be polite, be rational, act as a cohesive and sensible unit in an attempt to effect change in the proper way. The real concern here is whether or not Derpy will be heavily altered in future episode appearances, and the answer to that one seems to be 'no', but one can never be too careful. Sign petitions people, send emails. It's really hard to ignore multiple thousands of people saying the same thing.
Of course that still leaves the edit to The Last Roundup, that probably isn't going anywhere. Just never forget that we don't HAVE to accept this kind of thing anymore. And if Hasbro won't, or can't alter things back (and let's be honest, the latter is the more realistic situation), there is no reason at all we as a community should not ENSURE that this bit of censorship means absolutely nothing at all.
@Matt
ReplyDeleteI don't get that impression at all. It seems like he does very much care. In his post he stated the following points:
1. He doesn't actually like the change himself and didn't personally find the original version offensive.
2. He enjoyed seeing fan reaction to Derpy talking, and that the studio loves Derpy as well.
3. He is not surprised when the same fans are upset about the changes, because he understands that Derpy has become a symbol of this fandom. It also seems that the studio likes Bronies.
4. He is asking people to share there disagreements in a respectful manner rather than raging. This is fair enough, so I can agree with him. (In other words, we're welcome to state disliking it, but irrationally flaming out Hasbro or people we perceive as enacting this change is contrary to the "Love and Tolerance" attitude that many Bronies tout.)
5. He is specifically asking us not to hatespam Yamino, which I absolutely agree with.
This statement doesn't come off as being written by someone who doesn't care.
This whole thing reminds me of Star Wars. A scene that the majority of people thought was perfectly fine was changed because a small number of people decided that it was wrong.
ReplyDeleteHan shot first, you bastards!
Honestly, though, I don't understand how a character sounding silly constitutes being offensive. It didn't call anyone to change any other character's voice in any of the 1000+ cartoons that have unintelligent characters with silly voices. I'm confident that the good folks at Hasbro will come to their senses and change everything back to normal.
@ad043256-3a44-11e1-bcfa-000bcdcb471e
ReplyDeleteMy GUESS?
Derpy will likely return to the role she's had in other S2 episodes, and will never speak again. She will not be explicitly renamed, but they'll never say "Derpy" again in the show.
@Shiranai
ReplyDeleteI see it as damage control. How bout he tell us what she's called, if anything?
Don't they realize THIS is what offends disabled people like me?! CENSORSHIP....
Im not hating, but I feel like we were told to SHUT UP AND DEAL WITH IT. We were lied to and I don't think they care about what we think anymore. =/
I'm just so sad...I'm sorry I seem angry...
Hmm.... if they keep her the same as the first time she talk and i don't mean that edited shit then i am fine (i can live with the voice change, but then she'll just be consider the clumsy blonde if that's any better), but they did a ass move to change her.... it says to me that everything MUST be perfect, everything must not offend, everything most be movie star like no disease or disability to be seen, hide under god knows what. We live in the real world and have seen worst, hiding it from us does nothing but make us want to know more.
ReplyDeleteIf you can't read we'll teach you, if you can't eat by yourself then we'll feed you, if you can't put on your own cloths then we'll dress you and if your eyes are unfocused and can't be fixed, then we'll love you all the same.
Who ever is responsible for this 'Change' i pity you and there isn't enough love and tolerance for me to forgive unless you leave her the way we saw her, you pretty much shown the whole community that YOU found her offensive when must if not all us did not.
@PAK215
ReplyDeleteThis is not the same thing, really. Yes, in both cases a scene was edited. However the edits were done for different reasons.
MLP changed a scene in order to appease other parties who had an issue with Derpy. Who these parties are will likely not be explicitly revealed, but they could have included Apple or broadcasters. Parties which might have a say on if or not the show even gets aired.
Greedo shooting first, on the other hand, was all about George Lucas. He wanted to change his own movie because he personally thought the new version was better, fans be damned.
@Matt
ReplyDeleteI would personally prefer they NOT give her a new name, and I suspect she will not be given a new one so that she can remain "Derpy" to the fandom whilst not offending the parties who demanded the change.
Judging by just this guy's DA, he is probably a Brony himself (his humanized Celestia is pretty badass, IMO). He is an animator, and thus I seriously doubt he really gets much of a say. It sounds like if it were up to him, Derpy wouldn't have been edited in the first place.
This guy is basically telling Bronies not to rage, threaten, or spam people with hate-filled messages. This is something I agree with. Taking our rage out on Yamino is uncalled for, and sending hatemail to Hasbro is not going to garner favor with them. If anything, it'll give them reason to ignore us.
This doesn't sound like corporate damage control to me, it sounds like the opinion of a single animator.
Listen to the words of Pony Mathew in Equiniastes 12:14...
ReplyDelete"So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known."
I just wish that the ones who changed Derpy ever considered the "tolerance" that they believe we should all have.
ReplyDeleteLook I know a lot of people are saying "Guys take the message we should love and tolerate just as we preach it. Don't spread hate!" Which i whole heatedly agree with. However, it does not mean that we should not stand up against this blatant censorship.
ReplyDeleteStanding up for something we love and want to protect is not 'hate'. Standing up against censorship is not 'wrong'.
I have seen multiple tweets and posts from people who are disabled and they all seem to have the same opinion that she was never offensive to them. I don't see why others like to think they can deem what is, and isn't offensive for a group of people.
Also,
Let's be honest here, kids already saw the original episode air and they WILL notice the change in the character. This change actually makes the situation worse because it is sending the message that it is not okay to be that clumsy. I know some of you will say that logic doesn't really add up but you have to look at it from the perspective of a kid.
@Unknown
ReplyDeleteI agree, and I doubt Hasbro changed the episode for the heck of it. I don't think some exec just suddenly said, "Let's spend extra money editing an episode because this one person found Derpy offensive." Likely there were parties involved with a lot more sway who requested/demanded a change. (Possibly even Apple, we'll probably never know the full details.)
I doubt that Trixie, DJ Pon-3, Zecora, or white Celestia would have occurred without feedback from this fandom. Let's not forget that.
I don't know what to think about this. But I do know how I FEEL. It feels like what happens when a friend a doesn't want to be with you anymore because everyone else dislikes you. It feels like what was once a nice connection has been cut, and now the Fans and the makers of the show have been split. This feels awful, and I don't know If I want to watch this show anymore if it makes me feel like that.
ReplyDeleteThis is so ridiculous. I haven't encountered any aggression from the brony community about this-not saying there isn't any, but nevertheless, why is it 'pulling a hissy fit' when fans get pissed off at a corporation for tweaking things needlessly? I personally was overjoyed at seeing Derpy Hooves with her brilliant voice in the first cut. It feels like this guy is being more confrontational than anyone I've come across about the issue, he's the one who needs to show a little respect. Fuck Hasbro.
ReplyDeletePoor grey Pegasus
ReplyDeleteDerpy with the lazy eye
Why did they change you?
Because of your voice?
Because you weren't quite as smart?
Because you offend?
You were our mascot
You were an icon to us
And now you are gone.
You deserved better
Their complaints took you from us
And left someone else
Just an impostor
Just something inoffensive
Just a pale shadow
Farewell dear Derpy
You were special to us all.
And you will be missed.
I think what might be getting lost here is what disabled bronies think of this. I mean actually disabled bronies, and not regular people who have taken it upon themselves to white knight and decide what disabled people can't handle for them. If the disabled themselves are offended, the name should change and we should be happy about making someone feel better. If they aren't then it should stay and this whole thing has been really, really stupid.
ReplyDelete@TheDoktor
ReplyDeleteGoing by all apparent response from that group? They're offended at people thinking Derpy was offensive, AND at the change.
Finally word from someone working on the show about this issue.
ReplyDeleteI've been waiting for this for months now.
Yep, I feel better now.
I have a feeling that after awhile and most of this has blown over that they might get Derpy in another scene - with a changed voice but not quite the new one in The Last Roundup.
ReplyDeleteJust like I said before, let's just wait and see how this all plays out.
@TheDoktor
ReplyDeleteI have a chemical imbalance in my brain. Half of my cerebellum is gone. Without medication my higher functions randomly shut off. I tend to come out of my seizures in a state of violence.
I spent half my life in asylums because nobody knew what was wrong with me. I'm effectively having to live my childhood over again because I never got one.
I'm 40.
That disabled enough for you?
Whether you're for or against the Derpy change, please act reasonable, guys. I love you all, especially when our community as a whole is being rational and serving to uphold our motto of "Love and Tolerance."
ReplyDeleteWise words, Remember people, love and tolerate
ReplyDeleteI'll admit, i was as disappointed as anyone when they announced that derpy had been changed, i loved that pony for christs sake. But i think that we all have to calm down for a while, after all Kreoss has mentioned that derpy will still be in future episodes, and remember, they didn't have to put her in the show in the first place.
ReplyDeleteI'm also gonna say that i didnt like the editing in the slightest, the lips weren't synced up (due to the new dialogue being inserted after the show had already been animated) and her new voice is very generic, even if she does sound more like a girl. also rainbow dash just seems void of any enthusiasm whatsoever.
However im not gonna take this oppurtunity to start blowing things out of proportion and becoming all angry n stuff. After all, our slogan is: Love And Tolerance.
I agree with pretty much everything Kreoss said there, and he brought up some points that some of us may have forgotten, or not thought of in the first place.
ReplyDelete#1: This is why most shows don't often do overt fan shoutouts like this: some fans will hate it, some fans will love it too much.
#2: While Derpy is effectively a brony icon, the show was awesome before the crew started putting her in, and would still be awesome without her.
When I first saw the beginning of the episode, my first feeling was of shock that they would put an overt fandom reference like that; I thought she was going to forever stay as the running easter egg. This is why. Despite what I may have foolishly thought for a few days afterwards, I feared that someone would have a problem with Derpy being brought into the spotlight. I never thought it would go as far as it did, and I have no words left to express my relief that this incident will have no lasting reprecussions (that I can see).
I'm going to stop rambling now; you all may return to your business.
@richfiles Thank you very much for that. I greatly appreciate that you responded in such a polite manner this, and I hope you do the same for Hasbro. Like I said earlier, please do send a message to Hasbro, just don't make it about flaming them or anything, as I can assure you they will simply delete the message and move on if you do. If you ever want to be taken seriously by anyone, you really do need to speak in a professional tone and not like some kid who's throwing a tantrum. Anyway, moving on to what you actually said in your post. I completely understand where you're coming from and can see why you would feel betrayed by Hasbro. I can also understand why you're worried about them having more and more influence on the show and ultimately ruining it. I guess we can only hope that DHX/Studio B are able to manage to keep the same amount of creative freedom that they currently have.
ReplyDelete@SuperGiantRobot
ReplyDeleteThank you for responding! I honestly wanted to hear input such as you yould have. (And if you posted anything else and I missed it, apologies; doing this on a cellphone at work while on break.) The able claiming to speak for the disabled seems rather condescending to me; I think we should all be letting ourselves do more listening than talking ATM.
Why couldn't they just rename her to Ditzy? I thought that was supposed to be her real name anyway?
ReplyDelete@TheDoktor
ReplyDeleteAnd just to make the point completely clear: twenty-five years ago they weren't the 'you have problems, let's talk about it over coffee' sort. They were the 'Tie 'em to a bed until they stop screaming' sort.
I'm incapable of being around people I like for extended periods and I'm terrified of crowds.
@richfilesCongrads, you made me locate my password so I could reply to your neckbeared ranting. Settle down kid. It's not your IP. You didn't create it or own it.
ReplyDeleteReading your four walls-of-text with you frothing madly at the mouth over a character in a children's cartoon show reminds me of everything i hate about this subculture. Shut up already.
I think the solution to this problem is simple. DON'T BUY THE ITUNE'S EPISODE. Remember one thing they are a corporation, their job is to make money. If they see a drop in sales from that episode they'll get the hint that we disapprove of what they done. Hit their bottom line and changes will be made. We don't have to raise hell over it but there are better ways to go about this than threatening people. I'm not saying stop buying all the episodes, just that one. Well that's my two bits.
ReplyDelete@TheDoktor
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmOxnt215ek
Well. I'm not sure how this helped them .. now they just made it all worse by showing disability is wrong and needs change.
ReplyDeleteReally. if it IS a matter of perspective by some fans, then they would be better off with the goofy derpy we all know.
Doing this will just rise new questions about other characters. How about disneys goofy character?
And I thought video game fans were the only ones who could fill up messageboards with frothing buckets of misdirected, irrelevant ranting.
ReplyDeleteThank you bronies, for proving me wrong. You make the hissy-fit over Bioware DLC look like a drop in the bucket.
I'm rather worried by the anger here, and in particular with the belief that Hasbro don't know what they're doing.
ReplyDeleteHasbro won't have taken this decision on a whim, and they won't have spent money on rerecording and reanimating the scene lightly. They will have considered many things, including a whole load of company confidential information that none of us have access to. This is an informed decision, not a capricious one. I can understand bronies' frustration at a decision they don't understand, but as a general rule if something doesn't seem to make sense to you then the fault is almost certainly in your understanding, not in the thing you can't understand.
Like Soylent Green, Hasbro is people. They have feelings. They don't delight in upsetting fans, they don't want to stir up trouble, and they're not evil bastards out to destroy other people's enjoyment. If they haven't explained things it's probably because confidentiality agreements mean they can't. If they appear to have lied it's probably because their early intentions were overtaken by commercial necessity. Sometimes you give the best information you can in an attempt to be helpful, only to find that the needs of the business force a change in plan. That's life. It's not perfect. Hasbro are just people trying to do the best they can with the situations they're given.
Hasbro have done a lot for the bronies. They've given the animators more leeway than they have any right to expect, considering that the sole purpose of the programme is to drum up trade for Hasbro. Even at the very start, long before the bronies appeared, Hasbro was more generous with the budget than they needed to be, giving the studio a chance to create something great instead of something merely adequate. (MLP:FiM is a far cry from the animation when I was a child, when budgetary constraints meant a show aimed at six-year-olds would have a quality only a six-year-old could tolerate.) We shouldn't treat what they have given us as a reason to feel entitled to the moon on a stick.
Putting Derpy in the show was a nice gesture and no amount of business expediency can make that gesture unhappen. But gestures need to go both ways, and I'd feel much better if bronies had responded with something along the lines of "It's not the result we'd like but we understand you were in a difficult position and couldn't satisfy everyone" rather than the angry responses that come across as essentially "How dare you act on someone else's demands instead of acting on ours".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKHsyadN_lE
ReplyDeletepolitical correctness is killing us. so let me through this out at you.
Derpy will never change as long as we draw her and write about her. I would like to see a side by side comparison of the old and new scene. Anypony have a link or the ability to throw that together tonight?
ReplyDeleteOn a more "Love & Tolerant" note. I don't hate Yamino. She's not at fault. She just got the spotlight for hating disabled people. There were others that complained too and probably louder than her. So it's pointless to be mad.
Let's just continue to draw Derpy as Derpy and write about her the way we always have. As far as I'm concerned the show can do what it wants but Derpy will always be Derpy.
@Pikari
ReplyDeleteThan you, thhat was good feedback, indeed!
Don't worry folks, disabled people will now stay in the background where they belong.
ReplyDeleteAs long as this Edit never reaches the Hub or the DVDs, or effects how she will appear in future episodes then i dont care abput this too much.
ReplyDeleteBest Case: This was Apple or someone else's doing and only deals with that online distribution o the episode and wont effect the show and the character in the future.
Worse Case: This version will make it to television, offcially un-canonize the character, Limit her eyes in the future or simply eliminate her as a character all together
her eyes are changed if you would put fourth the effort to look, all he's telling us here is that we should shut up and watch our little cartoon like good doormats. In fact, this is an insulting an condescending note to us fans. "Aren't you supposed to love and tolerate? hurr durr" no. Fuck you. You guys fucked OUR character up, the character you included in the show FOR US, and we're pissed.
ReplyDeleteAll he's telling us here is that we should shut up and watch our little cartoon like good doormats. In fact, this is an insulting an condescending note to us fans. "Aren't you supposed to love and tolerate? hurr durr" no. Fuck you. You guys fucked OUR character up, the character you included in the show FOR US, and we're pissed.
ReplyDeleteI wish they'd at least kept her voice.
ReplyDelete@SuperGiantRobot
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Wish they'd left her eyes alone too.
Nah, I don't mind the eyes, it's the voice I miss.
ReplyDelete@GenericPonyName120
ReplyDelete"Those who are so offended by this to start issuing death threats, why? Why would you do that? Are you insane? These threats are only backfiring on the entire community's image. You're disgracing us."
Hear, hear and thank you.
I'm looking at one repeat poster in particular who (in this thread alone) has degenerated from vague, Internet-Tough-Guy threats to a profanity-laced full-blown tantrum pointed at Hasbro.
He's not doing us any favors, and I have the suspicion that's his game. Beware the phony brony.
Elsewhere in the thread, Ashfire insists the changes, while acquiesced to by Hasbro, were iTunes-driven and will be iTunes-only. That's much more plausible (given Apple's reputation) and of far lesser consequence.
So cheer up, emo kids. Follow Twilight's better example. Remain calm and watch ponies...and understand that our influence with Hasbro has its limits. You wouldn't burn Ponyville to the ground just to spite Cranky Doodle; don't destroy bronydom--and a brighter future for cartoons--over this single incident of pointless butthurt.
I have a dream that my two little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the crossy-ness of their eyes or the boyishness of their voices, but by the content of their character.
ReplyDeleteYou know what really upsets me? That so many people seem so passive and meh about this. You should be angry at this act of censorship. This does not mean death threats and hatred. It DOES mean that you should not take this lying down.
ReplyDeleteSend e-mails to Hasbro, polite and well done ones. Or even better, send an actual physical letter. Those are much, much harder to ignore.
As far as I'm concerned, not letting them know our displeasure at their decision will tell them they can do it whenever they want in the future.
You know, some clever pony could resolve this constructively. Maybe Derpy just needs a good pair of glasses or someone to teach her the finer points of balance and coordination. We could have a whole Derpy-centric episode about trying to understand and help people who are awkward or different rather than just being annoyed by them.
ReplyDeleteAn animator on the show takes the time to write a message to bronies, sympathizing with us about the changes to "The Last Roundup" and saying she'll be fine in future episodes. Probably the key section of his journal entry is: "Don't sully your name by spreading Hate and intolerance. Remember, Tolerance is not the same as acceptance. If you are upset with something, display it in a more positive way. You'll get your message across much better than lashing it out with hate. Show some respect. Show some humility." (italics mine)
ReplyDeleteI didn't even make it halfway through the second page of comments here before getting sick of all the people not only spewing hatred at Hasbro, Apple, and anyone who claimed they found Derpy offensive, but also getting angry at Kreoss, saying he's telling them to STFU. I mean, seriously? Did those bronies even read his journal entry?
I started participating in this fandom because I thought it took "Love and tolerate" as its motto. After what's gone on in the past month, I'm being driven to the conclusion that it's an empty slogan, used only to silence dissenting opinions.
@jodyjm13
ReplyDeleteWhen people are angry at something, people tend not to use their brains to think rationally. I've been there and let me say that, I still don't like the censorship. I'm actually ok with the voice, I just wished they did that in the beginning. That way, there wouldn't be this much drama. It's quite disappointing though that it had to come to this. It really is.
@jodyjm13
ReplyDeleteThen if that were true then there would be no need for strikes or sickout for people to get there points heard... because most people won't listen without some form of pressure to get them to act. Love and tolerate gets you so far... what well you roll over if they say there were going to remove Derpy entirely? Fight and agreements have start for stupider reasons.
@jodyjm13
ReplyDeleteAgain, the issue is when the phrase 'Love and Tolerance' is used when the target is not trolls.
Kreoss is quite right: tolerance is not the same thing as acceptance. Acceptance is when you grow to like the thing that you used to hate. Tolerance is when you simply allow the thing that you hate to go on happening anyway, regardless of your own opinion and without a word on the subject.
So, in essence, if we were to tolerate the changes to Derpy, we *would* STFU.
Do I think that Kreoss means this? No, of course not. He took the time to write this message of support, after all.
This is the problem with 'love and tolerance' being our 'motto', because it is essentially our way of saying 'don't feed the troll'. Now, it's fine when your opponent is on the offensive, and will eventually bore itself out of the argument when left alone.
It's not a fine mantra, though, when we are the ones on the 'offensive', as it were. Because by displaying our distaste for these changes, however positively it is done, we are not being 'tolerant' of them.
Thank you for this post. It reminded me just why I found this cartoon so fantastic and gave me a knock over the head. Making me remember that this show has the right elements to create a better world. No hate, just acceptance and friendship.
ReplyDeleteThank you for this post. It reminded me just why I found this cartoon so fantastic and gave me a knock over the head. Making me remember that this show has the right elements to create a better world. No hate, just acceptance and friendship.
ReplyDeleteConfusing a funny, lovable character with malicious mockery is NOT love and tolerance.
ReplyDeletePretending that visual impairment and/or mental disability doesn't exist is NOT love and tolerance.
Giving in to pressure from an ignorant minority is NOT love and tolerance.
Overzealous censorship of art is NOT love and tolerance.
I appreciate the guy's reassurance, but it doesn't make up for anything.
my take on the whole situation:
ReplyDeleteI'm fine with the new version. Only subtly derped eyes, that's cool with me. No name drop, that's fine, too. Filly voice? Personally I like the new voice even better.
The problem is that the change was made at all.
Just think about how this must have affected their view on the brony community. They gave us this massive, special treat, and it bit them right back. For some reason, they decided that it was a good idea to actually pull down the episode and actually change it. Just think about how big of a decision that is.
That means they must have really taken what was being said to heart. It must have hurt. I believe those who complained acted wrongly. And I believe the decision to make the change was wrong, too. But what happened, happened.
Now, we're continuing the path. Hate is now being fired in all directions. Us bronies, who are supposedly loving and tolerant, are firing hate directly at not only those who complained, but even Hasbro.
What happened? I think back to when mbulsht made his open letter to the brony community. That was the point, the peak, of where I truly loved and believed in this community.
This is the opposite. Everypony has failed.
@Arbarano
Indeed, I don't think the motto was ever supposed to be taken literally. After all, it emerged not from the show, but from a random image macro on the internet. What we really need, is something even simpler ("Try not to be a cunt") or something that takes everything it embodies into account (The show does this).
A motto just sums it all up. It just means we try to be friendly and kind or whatever other good words you want to put, even in stressful and unpleasant situations. It just means we have to try to be good.
Thank you so much for setting the good news and thank you for reminding us Bronies what the show, and what WE as a group, stand for.
ReplyDeleteI'm curious to know how the DVD will be affected by this. Will it become a controversial thing and sell a bunch of copies? Will people avoid the iTunes version -- in effect, will that send a message across to Hasbro that we want the old voice? Will they re-release a fixed dvd?
ReplyDeleteLike it or not, we're a fandom so we shouldn't be making their decisions for them. And it shouldn't be unexpected that mistakes and accidents will happen; The best thing to do is be accepting and nudge them in the way we want, but not to expect or demand change. The people in charge have been good about communicating with us well enough, we should return the same dignity and professionalism as fans.
@BL3KMane #7? Did you seriously think a pony character who started out as a background error and who fans masterbate like crazy over was ever going to become part of the main cast? Come on now.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXmYAddC5Y&feature=plcp&context=C328e8b6UDOEgsToPDskIpmYDWjBXkgj9tjoczSHdt
ReplyDelete@Arbarano
ReplyDeleteAgain, from Kreoss's journal entry: "If you are upset with something, display it in a more positive way. You'll get your message across much better than lashing it out with hate."
Does that read like he's saying we need to allow Derpy to change without saying anything? We definitely should make ourselves heard; it's not the decision we should love and tolerate, but the people behind it. I don't agree with the change, but I assume Hasbro and/or Apple had a reason to go through the trouble and expense of making it. I don't agree with those who found Derpy offensive, but I concede that at least some of them are sincere about it (and not just trolls or overly-PC people being offended on behalf of someone who isn't offended themselves), and I try to understand why they feel the way they do. I'm seeing far too many bronies, though, who're assuming that because they didn't find Derpy's scene offensive, anyone who claims they did is either stupid or lying, and Hasbro is cowardly or brony-hating for going along with their demands. And while those beliefs are not always expressed in a hateful way, there's definitely a lack of respect inherent in them even when expressed politely.
@Maeni: "A motto just sums it all up. It just means we try to be friendly and kind or whatever other good words you want to put, even in stressful and unpleasant situations. It just means we have to try to be good."
This is what I was hoping for from the brony community, whether you sum it up in "love and tolerance" or some other phrase, or forgo summing it up altogether. Between the "Derpy drama", the outcry over Tara Strong's tweets, and the Fluttermac/Cheerimac feud, that attitude has been in scarce supply over the past month.
I agree with everything that you said, but I just can't take this. Really I can't, I will always love the show, but this is to much for me, and I mean too much. I love Derpy so much as a character and an icon of the community. When they gave Derpy a voice (Original)and a name I was so happy because it showed that they cared, but this proves to me that they only did it to try and impress us. If they really did care about us and our wants they would have kept it the way it was. This change show that they don't want to be seen as unPC more then they care about us. That is what kills me the most. Seeing that they care more about other peoples opinions more than our communitys. Sorry for the rant, but really Hasbro?
ReplyDeleteI find it very amazing that if you told me one month ago that after YEARS of doing everything he could to destroy bronies, that m00t himself would completely change his ways, create a pony board on 4chan and admit he was wrong and repeatedly state he means it, but that after years of support and cooperation Hasbro would create Derpy to perfection only to destroy her with no justification in less than three weeks time, I would never have believed you. But nonetheless this has come to pass.
ReplyDelete@Isaotron
ReplyDeleteShit now I really do sound like an asshole. Well shit. I calmed down. Just need to say something. Even if it was stupid. Forgive me please.
@Dont believe everything that you read
ReplyDeleteNo, he's not. He's saying to be civil and not act like complete douches.
Guess what? Posting on Yamino's DA page with a Rainbow Dash avatar and telling her to burn in hell? That's being a complete douche. (Yes, people are doing this.)
Sending an f-bomb laden, or angrily-toned threat to Hasbro or Apple about how you'll never buy another product from them ever? That's being a complete douche as well.
I would like to share with you what I just sent to Hasbro's PR address.
ReplyDeleteEsteemed Hasbro,
I understand your public relations employees must be in the middle of some of the worst days their line of work can throw at them. I feel sorry for them, and as the first thing I would like to let them know they have my sympathy. I sincerely hope they haven't to read through every hate mail a fortunately minor part of the MLP-FiM unusual fandom is sending them in regards to the "Derpy" issue.
I am a rabid fan myself, and needless to say I was disappointed to learn how that character appearance was edited in the iTunes release of episode "The Last Round-Up". I could go on trying to point out how this move isn't, in my opinion, wise from a marketing perspective, as it's probably unsettling many more buyers than the few who I believe misinterpreted the character's name and personality, or how the lack of communication between you and the fandom might be at fault for much of the negative feedback you are surely getting, but honestly it's not my business. It's yours, and you have the right to take every move you see fit to protect your brand and your sales, no matter what a certain demographic between your fans - and customers - might think.
Ironically, however, I feel the need to express my concerns in what's probably pretty much the same spirit as those who complained about "Derpy" had: I'm worried at how this move is to be interpreted on the very matter at stake of supposed discrimination towards mentally and physically challenged people. I worked for many years with disabled people, both kids and adults, and I know from personal experience how they can and definitely do identify with characters such as "Derpy". Even though I don't personally think that character's portrayal was one of a mentally challenged individual - strictly speaking - I can easily see how a concerned parent could read the same into it too.
What I do now for sure, though, is that a mentally challenged person might have lots of problems, but he isn't dumb: he tends to love certain clumsy characters because he can identify himself with them, but as he hates when someone is condescending towards him, as that makes him feel belittled, he hates when those same characters he identifies with are treated that way. They love when they see a character resembling them take part in a lighthearted story, and they love when the other "normal" characters make fun of him with him, as they do with each other: some of them might not be able to define this with pretentious words as some of us could and love to do to feel high and mighty, but they do clearly get how in such a setup that character is treated as an individual worthy of the very same treatment and respect as everyone else. On the other hand, they hate when such characters are instead used differently, often to teach some cliched lesson and moral about how "you should treat everyone the same": the very fact you are here teaching that lesson means you are not treating them the same, you are pointing a finger at them, highlighting how they indeed are different, aren't "normal", and how by having to learn to don't treat them differently you are effectively doing exactly that.
Disabled kids notice that. Always. Much more than any overprotective parent could ever notice. And they feel humiliated. When I see that, instead, I feel embarrassed and guilty, at a loss for words to explain them how the world is filled with people that might not be mentally disabled on paper, but who surely are disabled in their hearts.
The "Derpy" shout-out at the fandom was not only a rare case of connection and complicity between a production and its fans, and a potentially really rewarding marketing move; what it was even more, is another piece of the puzzle that makes MLP:FiM a unique show in how it treats its target demographic with respect, instead of seemingly believing every kid - "normal" or disabled - is a dumb, passive buyer to be brainwashed with bright colors or pointless violence only to sell him some copypasta soulless toy.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what's in store for the future of the character, but if that single shout-out brought you enough issues to opt for a re-edit, it sure isn't a bright one, and I would like to ask you, dear Hasbro, what should I say to the really disabled kids who loved "Derpy" and the show and are going to ask me why she has been changed? That as she was somewhat similar to them she was deemed "offensive"? That them too are thereby offensive, and should be kept hidden from view, maybe in some dedicated structure, as their clumsiness, inability to perform certain things or physical appearance would be unsettling to us "normals"?
I am offended by this move, but even more than that I am saddened. I thought this new MLP brand, as small a thing as it may be in the grand scheme of things, with its Derpy, as small a thing it may be in the grand scheme of the show, would have been something to further help people stop looking for differences everywhere and start looking at the individuals, loving or hating them for what they are and not what they represent.
I can't and would never anyway threaten to sue you for this "offense" as I'm pretty sure some of those who complained about Derpy in the first place might have done, and as such I'm very well aware this complaint of mine hasn't any real weight for a company which rightfully has to protect its interests. What most people comprising a so called "fandom" often fail to remember, though, is that a company is also made of people. They still will have to make the choice they think is best for the company interests, but they still have a mind and they still have morals.
The character may stay or may in the end even disappear completely, it really doesn't matter that much: the show was good without her and will still be good without, and for this as a fan I'm still very thankful to you and to the actual team which is working on it for the many hours of fun they have gifted us with. I just want for you to know that however good or bad this decision will turn out to be in hindsight, it wasn't a victimless one, and the real victims surely aren't a bunch of pretentious, unnamed fans on the internet.
With respect,
XXXXXXXXXX
I stumbled on this, and I think our community should have a peek and reflect on their elves.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSm-UzWzO2E&feature=g-all-u&context=G236cebaFAAAAAAAAAAA
The change in her voice sounds like some amateur wannabe voice actress. I liked the original voice. It was charming and cute. Especially when she asked "you okay rainbow dash?" that whole bit and asking if she can help. It was so perfect. I didn't know what to think of her voice at first, but i grew to like it. The change was unnecessary and wrong.
ReplyDeleteIt is a matter of keeping the memory of the moment she first came to life and a matter of protecting the art that was made that day.
Hasbro, you dun Lucased.
People just need to appreciate the show for what it is. Sure, they made a few changes but is that a good reason to go batshit over this? I'm completely fine with this issue. 1st Derpy/Ditzy/whatever reaction: "Ehh, it's okay, don't really care. It's kinda like Faust's tribute to Ed." 2nd Derpy/Ditzy/whatever reaction: "Okay, a few changes, voice sounds slightly better. So they didn't say Derpy. I didn't even notice when I first saw it. *Sees article that eyes aren't derped* Shit, really? They look THE FUCKING SAME PEOPLE.
ReplyDeleteNow people reacting to the entire character on BOTH sides are being ridiculous in my opinion. 1st, people who hated on the character. Really? Offensive? Derpy? Wow. Okay there is another character that is even more, dareIsay, "retarded" (yes, this is the horrible word hatred are using). Now what about Snails? He helped destroy the entire town in an episode. DERPY just damaged town hall. Another thing is Derpy is a character based on the personalities of many other cartoon characters (Goofy, Ed, Patrick, etc.) what makes them so different? These haters believe that the viewers of the show, WHICH was made for little girls, bronies aren't what it was base for, are going to take offense. This is so stupid. I just want to watch the show and appreciate the storyline and characters.
Now the people reacting to Detpy being changed, don't you think it's a bit of an OVERreaction? They changed a few things, okay sure, that makes that character different. BUT, did they take away the character entirely? To quote Big Mac, NOPE. Still the same character, still the same show. I know there are people like BaldDumboRat who are REALLY attached to Derpy. I feel your pain, I've seen shows that I've enjoyed where the entire series filled with characters I imagine crazy stories involving them disappear due to the ending of the series in their beginning season. I really hope I don't offend fans of BDR or even herself if SOMEHOW this gets to tumblr or something. But I simply think that those complaining need to...MOVE ALONG MOVE ALONG LIKE I KNOW YA DO! Someone know the song. PLEASE. But anyway, people need to move on and continue being fans of the show and its characters. Stop complaining and just, well, stop. I appreciate the show for being a show. If they change a character, pff, I don't care. Okay? This is probably a bad ending to a comment but come on. Derpy is still in the fanbase for everyone. Everyone just stop with this Derpy ordeal. It's stupid. And dumb. And stupid. And dumb.
Oh and those who rea the full post, CALVIN AND HOBBES FTW.
ReplyDeleteIf you got the edited version from iTunes, complain that it's defective and that you want a refund.
ReplyDeleteI see a lot of implying that if you're a brony, you have to "love and tolerate." I never subscribed to that. I'm a fan of the show, I'm not some new-age hippie out to love everyone.
ReplyDeleteI'm 32, and I can make decisions for myself. I don't need somebody from TopDraw lecturing me on how to behave properly, in his opinion. He's not my mother. And I can smell bullshit from a mile away.
This issue isn't going away, Hasbro. Like it or not, you've opened a Pandora's Box, and no matter how many millions of dollars you throw at it, you can't stop the fans' protests. The digital genie is now out of the bottle.
Do you know what all this whining and raging remins me off? My encounter with Megaman fanboys, who are still complaining as of now because of how he's being treated lately. And becuase of that most gamers can't stand Megaman anymore. Just by looking at Yamino's deviantart, I already see people calling us immature manchildren. And for once in my whole bronydom I can't help but agree with them to an extent. Is this what you want people to think of the brony comunity? A bunch of immature crybabies? For the sake of brony community, we should set a good example.
ReplyDeleteBut doesn't mean we should just sit by and watch, like what kreoss said we should still voice our dissappointments but do so in a civil manner. Voicing our complaints in a civil manner may actually get us somewhere. I don't care if I have to spam this. But please take this post into consideration.
I knew it would be okay... but seeing this makes me so relieved. :D *twilight clapping*
ReplyDeleteI'm as relieved as everyone else, apparently, that there is finally some reaction from the other side that we can see. I think by the end of the upcoming week we should have a goo idea of why it actually was changed instead of foggy suspicions and rumors.
ReplyDeleteIn all honesty I was really upset to see that they changed it, not to the point that I would send hate mail, but enough that I kept ranting to all my friends. It seemed like a huge cold shoulder to the fandom that had before flourished with cooperation and friendship. To see that she will still be the same but not canon doesn't seem...well the only word I can think of is right but it's not such a huge change. Derpy has always been mostly fiction on our part. We made her real before and we can do it again.
I only hope most people haven't crossed the line of hate to not be able to love and tolerate again.
Jolly, EqD is a place of massive lulz right now.
ReplyDeleteAlso, according to many honest bronytards "love and tolerance" is only fine as long as everything goes according to your will. And they finally say that L&T was just a tag line against trolls.
Classy.
now i get to sleep with visions of happy Derpy in my head
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ReplyDeleteAren't you one of the fans that said Derpy wasn't going to be changed and anyone who feared it might happen was overreacting to rumors that any rational person would have ignored?
@730Flare
Refer to Nightweaver20xx's post just above yours. Apparently a large part of the fandom does want to be seen as immature crybabies, and they take offense at any suggestion that acting rationally and politely is both the right thing to do and more likely to get positive results.
Urgh, just watched the new version and, sorry, she sounds terrible! Certain people should have learned to love and tolerate Derpy for who she was, instead of trying to change her into something more "normal".
ReplyDeleteI was amazed to hear her name in that episode, and shocked when she spoke, the voice was so perfect for her character!
I'm really disappointed, but I'll probably still watch the show. I just hope the Best Pony doesn't get changed any more...
@jodyjm13
ReplyDelete>Aren't you one of the fans that said Derpy wasn't going to be changed and anyone who feared it might happen was overreacting to rumors...
There are two things incorrect here:
1. I am not a fan
2. I never surely stated that nothing is going at all, I believed that because facts were shoddy at best.
Also there's a difference between fearing and voicing a concern about something based on rumors and flipping shit-switch and sending death threats to people uninvolved.
People, we must find direction; an idea we can all agree with and get behind. Otherwise, no change can result of all this expended effort.
ReplyDeleteIf we complain to Hasbro but don't make it clear what they can fix, they wouldn't be able to do anything. I suggest we ask them to give Derpy's character more depth. It is only one-dimensional characters -- caricatures -- that can be offensive by symbolizing a stereotype.
And instead of teaching kids that characters like Derpy should be censored, changed and corrected, this course of action would teach them to not believe in negative, hateful stereotypes. Plus it would require that Derpy gets even MORE screen time. Wouldn't that be awesome?
But first and foremost, we need to actually ASK Hasbro what happened: it won't do to just sit around and be all like "I just don't know what went wrong!"
Thanks for the communication, we should all be appreciative of this. I don't agree we should "Tolerate" changes like this when we feel they were unjustified and wrong, but I do appreciate the fact that somebody who works on the show cared enough about our community to actually communicate with us and let us know what is going on. More frequent messages/communication would be very much appreciated and would stop us from acting like panicing ponies that have a stampede coming toward ponyville.
ReplyDeleteI think it's sad that the big company Hasbro can't let Studio B give us one little shout out like this without forcing them to take it back.
It wasn't Apple that edited it, Rainbow Dash's tone of voice was also changed, from irritated to concerned. This required Ashleigh to re-voice the scene. They altered RD's personality too, not just Derpy's. That could be seen by some of us as even more serious.
Rainbow Dash, as much as we love her, is not known for her great patience, compassion, or tolerance.
@Arbarano
ReplyDelete"...It's not a fine mantra, though, when we are the ones on the 'offensive', as it were..."
Here's an idea, just off the top of my head: How about NOT BEEING OFFENSIVE? Think you can handle that concept?
"Love and tolerate" is not just a tagline against trolls. It is a long term strategy, proven to work. It is how Bronies got their way with 4chan: by being focused and proactive instead of reactive and hostile.
Kicked their ass Gandhi-style.
@kris
ReplyDeleteAh, I thought that this might happen.
When I said being on the 'offensive', I didn't mean it in the sense of being as rude as possible. I meant it as in the sense of us attempting to change the position of someone else (Hasbro in this case).
In other words, being proactive as you said. I probably should have used that to explain my point :/ .
I agree with you when you say that we should be respectful and polite when we voice our concerns, though :)
(By the way, here's the issue I attempted to point out. Here is the definition of tolerating something: 'To allow (something that one dislikes or disagrees with) to exist or occur without interference.'
That's why I said it's a good mantra against trolls, but not when attempting to change someone's opinion)
@jodyjm13
ReplyDelete"Does that read like he's saying we need to allow Derpy to change without saying anything? We definitely should make ourselves heard; it's not the decision we should love and tolerate, but the people behind it. I don't agree with the change, but I assume Hasbro and/or Apple had a reason to go through the trouble and expense of making it. I don't agree with those who found Derpy offensive, but I concede that at least some of them are sincere about it (and not just trolls or overly-PC people being offended on behalf of someone who isn't offended themselves), and I try to understand why they feel the way they do. I'm seeing far too many bronies, though, who're assuming that because they didn't find Derpy's scene offensive, anyone who claims they did is either stupid or lying, and Hasbro is cowardly or brony-hating for going along with their demands. And while those beliefs are not always expressed in a hateful way, there's definitely a lack of respect inherent in them even when expressed politely."
Bit too much there for me to dissect without repeating myself endlessly, but I agree with you completely.
I'm fairly sure that I mentioned this somewhere in a previous post, but since this is ~100 posts further up by now I will re-iterate my point:
Yes, I do see that Kreoss wants us to express our points with respect and in a polite manner. I was just trying to point out that when this is mentioned directly after being reminded that we are supposed to tolerate (i.e. put up with something), it's an unintentionally mixed message.
i have to say that i was saddened by the change in derpy. but the thing is, i honestly cant blame Hasbro. if there is anyone that is to blame it is the people that complained to Hasbro because either they found derpy offensive for some dumb reason or they complained because her appearance in the last roundup did not fit into their head cannon. When i saw her appearance i was overjoyed because I took it as the people behind the show as saying "hey, you guys love the show, and we love that you love the show and we listen to what you guys all have to say, so as a token of thanks for your support here is the fan favorite with speaking lines". I can say that i honestly cannot blame Hasbro. as a business standpoint they are doing what they can to move on from the incident. I have seen on numerous occasions how bad P.R. can be devastating to a company. but thankfully this lovely grey and blonde pegasus will still be around for future enjoyment even if she is a little different then we would all care to remember.
ReplyDeleteI agree entirely! While I almost had a fangasm when I heard Derpy speak and called by name, and was also quite upset when they decided to revoke some certain aspects, I think it's a bit immoral to attack Hasbro. Love and Tolerance is what makes our subculture special, so lets not try to ruin it :D.
ReplyDelete@Kadath
ReplyDeleteSomehow my first reply vanished, so:
Thank you for writing this letter, and for posting it here.
Here's my 2 cents... We should continue to complain in a civil, reasonable manner, There's no hate here, but given that we were lied to, and this change doesn't carry a good reason behind it, I think it's fair we want it back to the way it was. Many things in that show offend people, as does everything that means anything. We'll continue to love and tolerate, but if, and to what extent, we support this show depends on how well things go from here. It's not unreasonable for us to voice our distaste at the change, that's not hateful, it's just expressing an opinion. I originally intended to buy season 2 on dvd, for example, but should the Derpy change remain, I feel I'm getting an inferior product. As a result, I will spend my money elsewhere. I'd love to support you both monetarily and with my online presence Hasbro, but to earn my support, you have to do things I feel comfortable supporting. Either way I shall continue to view for the time being, but at least making both versions available would be a big step to trying to do right by everyone. Just saying
ReplyDeleteHuh. Was getting worried there for a moment, but then even some of the people who sounded like they were being unreasonable came back and showed they were being very reasonable (indeed, almost *hyper*-reasonable).
ReplyDeleteAnd it's good to see a kind of funny, fandom-wide Standalone Complex thing going where everyone who takes a second to pause and think about the situation comes to the same conclusion about what to do about it, if they're upset. Sensible complaint, laying out the reasons therefore and, ideally, what they would prefer to see done.
If you can, I reccomend people read through this thread, and skim over the hate. There are some good ideas here (being coherent and unified about what we'd LIKE done and why, for example), and presenting a unified front can only help.
As would sending solid letters, though I imagine many of us won't. Still, if a petition about this can get 25,000+ signatures online, what if even a fraction of that was solid letters? Pity the poor mail room, but that's awfully hard to ignore.
Finally,
@FrostTheFirst
I said this a WAYS back in the thread, but the thing is, this change only exists, so far, on the iTunes version of the episode. And even if it reaches elsewhere...so what?
It IS the digital age. The original version of the scene? It's out here in the internet already, and it's there forever. Hasbro can't get rid of it, and we as a community can make darn sure that everyone knows it was there first.
Hrm, and lest that be misconstrued,
ReplyDeleteAgain, "so what" in the sense that the original shoutout cannot be taken away by Hasbro, ever. There are valid reasons to be upset about the (rather futile) change though, and those are the things that should be focused on, and (rationally and calmly) complained about. If only to ensure absolutely that our Derpy (because she is in a strong way *ours*) is not altered in future appearances.
I want to see that cross-eyed little pegasus popping up in the background in all the future episodes just the way she (almost) always has. And while we have the assurance of an animator that will be the case, a little extra security never hurts.
Has anyone suggested yet that maybe it was iTunes that demanded this change and not Hasbro?
ReplyDeleteThe evidence that leads me to this conclusion:
1) The edit was only on the iTunes version.
2) As Kreoss said, the derp in Derpy's eyes is staying in future episodes.
3) The quality of the edit is SHIT. It sounds like it was recorded with a really cheap microphone, and I don't think that's even Asheigh Bell's voice in the redone Dash lines.
So....maybe iTunes got panicky when they heard the complaints of the very vocal minority, and edited the episode accordingly. Hasbro's dealt with our insanity before, and knows that it's much better to just ignore us.
Anyway, that's my theory.
thanks you for reassuring every brony (and myself) about derpy's situation, I can sleep in quiet now :P
ReplyDeletethanks you for reassuring every brony (and myself) about derpy's situation, I can sleep in quiet now :P
ReplyDeleteYOU SEE PEOPLE?! This is exactly what I'm talking about. Derpy's gonna live, and that's final.
ReplyDelete@SightlessOne Amen.
ReplyDeleteBeautiful.
ReplyDeleteLove and tolerate guys <3
Wow imagine all this commotion just because of one character in the show. Now, I understand why people might have negative opinions about bronies (at least the "crazy ones" they claim) as much as I understand how bronies got upset about derpy's voice and stuff.
ReplyDeleteI am very relieved to hear that she will live on in future episodes. I have my utmost respect to everyone who works on the show, and I more than likely always will respect them to the degree I do. Taking Derpy's name out of the scene was a hard blow to all the bronies who love and adore her, and I hope eventually at least her name is either put back into the scene, or mentioned later on, but I know the reason they did was just.
ReplyDeletei agree, love and tolerance is key here. however i must also admit that im not the typical brony, you mess with what i enjoy and i shove a flaming stick up your ass. just who i am.
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