Now before you all freak out, take this in stride. Their primary purpose was to host full downloads of the episodes. These are something Hasbro releases usually a day later on their iTunes page. The letter did include a request to take everything down (Including the Pinkie Pie image :p), but the actual torrents and Multi-upload links may have been the main reasoning behind it.
As more information on the extent of this pops up, we will continue to report on it. For now though, it looks like iTunes is the best place to get the actual episode files without running into legal issues. They did actually fix the color fading for season two, so it really isn't a bad alternative, and a good way to support the show for those of you that aren't into the toys / don't have The Hub.
Note: People from Ponyarchive have stated that they will not be taking the site down.
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Also: I agree that the site should have been taken down (at least temporarilly) while something was worked out with hasburro. We do want to remain on thier good side lest they decide to go after youTube too...
ReplyDeleteAll the panicking people need to realize that THIS DOES NOT AFFECT YOUTUBE!! It's just about the torrents. Hasbro has embraced streaming, just not direct downloads. If you can access youtube, this is a non-issue. If you want to watch offline or need the episodes as PMV material, Keepvid works brilliantly.
ReplyDeleteBut I don't have a fucking MAC nor any Apple product! You know what!? I've had enough of you fuckers, Hasbro! Go fuck yourselves and stick this finger where it fits! (Again, Hasbro. The FiM team is cool) I've had enough of your bullshit. Also there are a lot people out there that makes toys better than your shitty ones, seriously. You fucking trolls.
ReplyDeleteI'm not worried.
ReplyDeleteIf I cared to install any part of Job's techno-mongoloid software, I would certainly get the episodes on iTunes. If Hasbro deigned to release a full box set, I'd get them that way. However, since I don't care to do install Apple products, and Hasbro won't contract a box set, I'll get them some other way. No biggie.
You cannot erase media from the internet. It just isn't done.
i don't think ponyarchive refusing to take down the site is going to help anything or anyone at all. if anything, that move has the potential to create a great big storm, and guess what guise? we have no weather pony team ._.
ReplyDeleteGetting greedy, Hasbro? Guess it's time to stop buying merch and advertizing your products for free.
ReplyDelete@afek /)*(\ to you for that. Hasbro's given us a lot of freedom with this, but there is a line somewhere, and taking content from itunes and re-uploading it as a free download was probably it. There's other ways to get our pony fix (I'm one of those who couldn't get the hub if he wanted to) and ticking off Hasbro's legal department isn't going to help anything. I'm just going to hope they don't get the rest of us in any trouble. (And that we'll eventually get that HD Blu-ray).
ReplyDeleteI did a little investigating...
ReplyDeleteThe email address Carin G. Reynolds gives is [email protected]. I did do some research on his name and, while he seems to be an actual copyright lawyer working for Hasbro, every website he's listed under says his email is [email protected] and a Google search of the golenbock.com address yields no results.
Could we have an imposter on our hands?
I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner, but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed. While I can, and have, purchased every episode on iTunes (and will continue to do so), I feel for those who are most affected. A level head and calm, constructive discussion is what will see us through this setback. There are always other channels to go through to get things done. A little patience and creativity is all it takes, and I know the community has that. So rant and rave to yourself, but please maintain civility when dealing with this where others can see. If all it took was a single issue to bring us down then we'd have been done as a community a long time again. We're better than that.
ReplyDelete@Puzzle Plate
ReplyDeleteBut the site isnt in the US...
@Puzzle Plate
ReplyDeleteAgree. This will create a bad name for the fandom and they might choose to sever their good relations with us
Hasbro, somepony, anypony! Just release a Season 1 DVD and everypony will be happy. You will get due compensation, and we will get our episodes.
ReplyDeleteI say we start a petition to show how badly we want a DVD set, so they know they will make money off it. I mean, just look at that number to the right.
Damn it, I just read Ponyarchive's reponse email to Hasbro. If that's real, then congratulations on making things much, much worse, guys. (Again, assuming this whole thing is real and not a fake) We're not entitled to unlimited free downloads of this show. That response email could be the straw that breaks the camels back, or whatever.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I admit I used ponyarchive, because iTunes' DRM is maddeningly restrictive. (Though I have bough some episodes from iTunes, and I've bought significantly more in official toys, just to show my support of the show). I truly wish there was another way to legally get the episodes, namely, a full DVD set. I suppose I'll probably buy the individual DVDs, but it's not quite the same as having beautiful HD, surround sound episodes.
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ReplyDelete>>mfw ('cos I'm canadian, and Canadian iTunes doesn't have an FiM season pass...)
So, how about Bronies not from US, UK, Europe and Japan? we already got difficulties getting DVDs for movies we want, skyrocketing prices due to shipping cost that almost double the price of the DVD we ordered? and steep exchange rate? and iTune store's bad color quality?
ReplyDeleteSay, sell the series in digital version, with cheaper price point and EXCELLENT quality. And not in iTune store, something more bona fide.
And NO DRM.
I'm willing to fork over my money if they can do that, GOG.com already do that flawlessly, why not videos?
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ReplyDeleteNow if only the episodes were released internationally on iTunes... What could have caused this I wonder?
ReplyDeleteGuess I'll be moving to YouTube rips.
@Favo
ReplyDeleteAh, um, you don't need a mac to get iTunes. iTunes is free, it's just the episodes that cost money. (They get kinda expensive, too, but that's why they're iTunes.)
@Unknown
ReplyDeleteIf they do, they'll hurt their relationship with the biggest fanbase they could ever expect to get.
I guess this would hurt Hasbro a lot more than us.
I never really used Ponyarchive that much because for some reason BitTornado doesn't work there.
ReplyDeleteAlso: I'm not gonna pay money for DRMed ITunes stuff, but if a full season DVD/BR was out with commentary and other extras?
THAT would be worth some damned money to me, people. I HOPE THIS IS AN INDICATION THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON IT, HASBRO
@bestpony
ReplyDeleteThe uploader of the MLPFIMHD channel who had their channel taken down has gotten in contact with Hasbro, and from the response he got it seems they have had nothing to do with it, though they said they were forwarding his request for help to the "right people" so its kinda still developing.
@Sebastian send that to ponyarchive to let them know.
ReplyDelete@Unknown
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm trying to stay optimistic and not over-think things, but I do feel that if we put up too much of a fuss over the smaller (comparatively) things like this, they could get more upset over the bigger things...like youtube and putting little Derpy cameos everywhere.
I think that they're well within their legal rights, but that's kind of scummy. You make a big, generous gesture of letting us host the videos on Youtube and supporting the Brony community and then you turn right around and start sending Cease and Desist letters? Come on!
ReplyDeleteThey pretty much condoned hosting episodes. We had everything but a signed document saying it's OK. They gave permission, but they can claim that they technically never gave permission even though it's obvious to everyone they did? Sounds like BS to me.
get youtube downloader
ReplyDeletei have every episode, and never once touched the pony archives
Hmm.... Not sure if outright refusal to take down the site is the best move here. Goodwill is pretty much the only thing keeping the videos on Youtube. We definitely don't want to anger Hasbro to the point where they go after those, too. I applaud afek for following his principles and resigning from Ponyarchive when he disagreed with what they were doing. It probably isn't something I would have had the integrity to do.
ReplyDelete@Sebastian:
ReplyDeleteI find that interesting, but the golenbock.com site is just too well developed to be fake. (Just look at the news section or attorney list .)
The partial client list also has Carin G. Reynolds with the [email protected] address.
And the "Partial Client List" does contain Hasbro, Inc.
With all of those things put together, I'm going to have to say that the email is legit.
Take it down.
ReplyDelete@NightStarX
ReplyDeleteCopyright isn't a right. It's a legal construct. We have hundreds of times more rights to complain than they do to issue legal threats. It's call free speech and it is the foundation of modern society - deal with it.
That said, this is an idiotic move which will hurt them in the long run. I have to see where it goes, but I boycott all corporations that abuse copyright. Hasbro had until today stayed off that extremely long list, but they're nearing it.
It would be sad to lose ponies, but the ethical problems of copyright are far more important in real life. Any company that abuses it, any company that advocates its extension, needs to be cut off from money.
Not sure what to think of this, honestly. As a person who is okay with the iTunes versions (it's literally the only thing on my iTunes, actually), I can see where they're coming from. It's one thing to have things available on Youtube: it's another to have the iTunes version available for free download.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, I do feel for those who are unable or unwilling to get the iTunes episodes, and I hope that Youtube will still be up. Keep in mind there are many free programs that will let you download Youtube videos in whatever quality you desire, it just takes some more work.
Bottom line, though, is that I don't really agree with ponyarchive for ignoring this outright. At least take the site down temporarily, while you try to talk to Hasbro to see what alternatives are available. Outright refusal might just result in a legal tug-of-war, which will only make it more and more difficult (but never impossible, this is the internet, after all) to get the episodes online, including the nearly-ignored streams on Youtube.
tl;dr: Situation sucks, but I see where Hasbro is coming from. Ponyarchive should comply before the lawyers get more ravenous, and actually try to contact someone from Hasbro directly.
@Silicas:
ReplyDeleteDerp.
The attorney list also has Carin G. Reynolds with the [email protected] address.
As many have stated before this decision is quite unwise. Many of the fans that already buy the product's they sell would happily buy the season one box set DVD's from them. Removing the free version that exposes MLP-FIM to others would limit the free advertising that they have been receiving from the fans.
ReplyDeleteAnd for some odd reason a lot of people here hate the itunes stores. So if they were to directly sell many of the able fans would buy it.
The reason they may have done this C&D on ponyarchive is that they had done a bushiness contract with apple, and had asked them to remove the "competition".
Correct me if I am wrong I wont mind any counter points made against this or any grammar or spelling point outs.
@XyroTR1
ReplyDeleteGiven that MLPFIMHD is getting some response out of Hasbro after their channel was taken down you may want to try emailing Hasbro if you do continue having trouble with take downs since there always is the chance that they can do something about it such as clear it with youtube.
@Lightning Delight
ReplyDeleteYeeup
@Feral
ReplyDeleteTrue, true. Still they've survived long before the creation of the current fandom, and since they own the brand, we're at their mercy. Unless anybrony is will to pay legal fees to challenge them in court. Also I don't see how ponyarchives' server being outside US would help, since Hasbro is an international registered company and assuming the server is in Germany or Europe, I guess they could still face lawsuit?
I'm getting a little tired of them constantly saying they're on Itunes, that's only American Itunes, if you live anywhere else you're screwed.
ReplyDeleteThree things:
ReplyDelete-Ponyarchive is downloaded and copied versions originally from iTunes. Hasbro's probably a bit harsher since they're actually reproducing and making copies of it, rather than merely broadcasting it, like Youtube does.
-Ponyarchive takes donations. Even though these are supposedly only to keep the site running, Hasbro's still probably not too keen on the site receiving money for copying their episodes.
-Hasbro's a huge organization. The wishes of some individuals may not be the same as others.
That being said, be thankful they continue to let Youtube exist. Other companies (hi Viacom) aren't so generous.
@Nightbreak
ReplyDeleteYes. When you buy them on iTunes, you download them in 720p HD to your hard drive. With no HUB logos.
I'm pretty much following everything on IRC and from what I read I'm pretty sure, things will work out.
ReplyDeleteHowever, if ponyarchive will be shut down, stuff will suck, because of Apple... Not only that I can't even access the episodes from Germany, but secondly they lack support for the Linux-platform. I'm not going to buy and install MacOS or Windows and Youtube isn't really a good alternative, too (yes I am a quality whore :P).
So at the end of the day I can only hope things will turn out in favor of the international bronydom!
Ugh.
ReplyDeleteThis does not bode well.
I don't know HOW they're doing it. But if they're resisting sensibly, I support them. Hasbro has enjoyed its millions of dollars of unexpected profit not from little girls, but from US, the people who found ponies through the very channels that they have now declared unfit for their purposes.
ReplyDeleteNot through any other reason, not a single one. We've made them a great deal of money, even those who haven't spent a dime - simply by spreading the word and sharing what was posted to the people who have the on-hand disposable income to get The Hub, or the toys, or download the disgusting iTunes bullcrap.
But they won't release reasonable DVDs? The entire time that they've left us alone, their profits have grown exponentially and in ways unlooked-for. Do they simply take that for granted, and ignore all we've done for them?
Punishing us serves what purpose? We've accomplished far more than their pathetic PR team has done for ponies, and we aren't even getting paid. Why, then, are they even paying said team? And why now do they choose to start attacking us?
If you're going to do it sensibly, then I say fight on. We're admirers, from the poorest of us to the most well-off, but only one of those can afford to throw money around so willy-nilly. I'd prefer it if they learned that we were people, and not resources or figures.
I've actually planned on buying the seasons....eventually.
ReplyDeleteIf Hasbro decide to stop helping the bronies from watching episodes online, I think a good half of the fandom will slowly (and painfully) disappear. I really can't even realize why they would want to do something like that, there is no economical logic that can explain it.
ReplyDeleteMust be something coming from Apple or similar. Well, I really hope that the Brony fandom will NOT start to be targeted. That could be terrible.
@ALazyFriend
ReplyDeleteI know they have survived so far without us, but I'm yet to know a single company that would willingly kill a buge moneymaking fanbase (basically a chicken of the golden eggs) just to dodge some 'small and quick money loss'.
(Hannah Barbera doesn't count).
In other words, I know they can survive without us, but I doubt that they want to lose the money *we* are giving them now.
Well, this day was going to come eventually. As long as Youtube is safe, then I do not really care. I would watch it on TV, except i am in a dorm and my college does not get The Hub. I could get them on iTunes, I guess, but my computer is almost full. I would rather watch them on Youtube when I want to. But it is their right, so they can do what they want, but this may turn ugly.
ReplyDeleteTake it down I say. Likes some of the other guys said, trying to fight this here and now over one site is stupid. *grumbles about arrogant fandom and irritating Interneters who think they're entitled*
ReplyDeleteI want to buy the episodes. I really do. I like the idea of supporting the show(I do watch it on the hub when I can, and I've bought official merch). But goddammit I dislike buying things through iTunes. Maybe I will and I'll just force remove the DRM.
ReplyDeleteIf it does go down, I'm not really worried about access to the episodes. I'm worried about the creators not having access to material for PMVs and such.
@Milienius
ReplyDeleteHear, hear. There are worse things Hasbro could do.
I'm scared now... but that doesn't mean that we won't see the show also the only way I can watch it is by internet but of course I'll buy a DVD or something because I love it
ReplyDeleteI think this can only be a good thing. They can wisely guide the traffic to The Hub's website which would let them get a better count on bronies. I think The Hub's website has no international restrictions. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe they'll do an official YouTube channel which would be a nice change of pace for a television channel. And really, the best outcome out of this would be that a real DVD set is somewhere in the future and hence Hasbro has reason to start clamping down.
ReplyDeleteThere's been plenty of heated discussions about this on /pony/. I guess this only affects the less than tech savvy bronies, but this really changes little. Normal methods of piracy still exist if you are that intent and adamant on downloading the show. And the world keeps spinning...
@bestpony
ReplyDeleteThere being worse doesn't make bad things right.
I thought this fandom was supposed to be smart
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ReplyDeleteif this is about that silly piracy bill in america
ReplyDeleteder be a angry mob with torches and pitch forks >=T
@XyroTR1
ReplyDeleteUgh well here's hoping you don't!
@bestpony
ReplyDeletePerhaps, but you're being very short-sighted. If we DON'T fight, what if it's Equestria Daily tomorrow? I mean, they even ordered a picture of Pinkie Pie taken down. If they can legally declare that, then we here at EQD are in a far worse state than you people supporting the takedown seem to understand.
There's no way this a cease and desist from hasbro, or the hub. My guess it is from Itunes/Apple. Now I would gladly spend the money for a season pass, but I don't have the extra money.Yes we bronies could watch all the episodes on youtube, but they will keep getting taken down by trolls. WE really need a decent legit site for watching the episodes. Not just 2 different episodes every couple day.I'm looking at you HUB.com. I really just wished hasbro would make their own youtube channel for MLP. Would make EVERYONES life so much easier.
ReplyDeleteIt seems reasonable to me. If I was a company, I wouldn't want there to be a site that had downloads for all of the stuff I made if I was already selling it somewhere. Youtube though, is free marketing for them though. They don't even have to upload to it, the fans do it for them.
ReplyDeleteRemember, the goal of a corporation is to make profits. They are going to do everything they can to maximize said profits.
I wouldn't freak out about this too much. It's not like there aren't a million other torrents and downloads.
Though pony archives response was... admittedly humorous, I don't think it's going to do anything for them.
@bestpony even if we love the content Hasbro makes, why should we, the customer, be forced to buy through a vendor we do not support? How is that both "entitled and unfair" of us when there are SEVERAL alternative vendors that could sell Hasbro's merchandise to a larger demographic?
ReplyDeleteForcing customers to buy content through a single vendor does not gain customer support or trust
Hasbro needs to identify customer needs and manage expectations. Once Hasbro identifies the need for more vendors, and the need to host streams online, then we will start complying to their expectations and supporting their company fully like a positive and fair relationship should be. Otherwise we will keep streaming and torrenting content like we have.
@4d4f5c2a-0f40-11e1-b2f5-000bcdcb8a73
ReplyDeleteI don't know where you are, but north of the border here in Canada, I couldn't play some of the videos on the Hub and I suspect it will only work in the US. Also I tried proxy too
@ALazyFriend
ReplyDeleteA UK brony told me it worked. Guess not.
@Isrozzis
ReplyDeletePissing off your customers != make profits.
Hence, this is a stupid move.
It's too bad the iTunes releases are NOT for sale in Australia.
ReplyDeleteWhats sad is if Hasbro actually knew about making a profit the right way, they would try and put the episodes up for download on XBL and PSN. If they did I know several people(including myself) that would download them all in 10 seconds flat.
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ReplyDeleteEh, they should probably comply and take the site down. Hasbro doesn't like how they have DLs of high quality rips with no HUB icon.
ReplyDeleteThey don't seem to be as upset over episodes on YouTube, and that's where 90% of us watch the show.
By refusing to oblige the polite request from them to take down Ponyarchive, you very well could mobilize them for war. Sure you are in Sweden, but YouTube and other sites are based in the US and Hasbro is more likely to purge those sites if provoked.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteI hate to repeat what others are saying, but it's just download streams that Hasbro seems really upset about. We still have youtube, and if we're polite about the download streams there's no evidence saying that Hasbro will go after youtube.
@Kayriel
What if Hasbro is doing this to appease Apple or to limit only downloads? What if we make things worse by making a giant fuss about them taking down one website? Hasbro has proven to be friendly towards us many times. They leave youtube alone, make special music videos mentioning us, and they communicate with Equestria Daily directly at times.
They also make little gestures toward us, like Nightmare Night's Derpy scene.
If it's one website they're targeting now that offers downloads, then that's one thing. Saying that we need to fight over things because if we don't take a stand, what might happen to a completely different site next? I'm not sure that's a solid argument.
What you can do is get the youtube download button addon for Firefox, and just get the mp4 directly right when it gets uploaded to YT.
ReplyDelete@bestpony
ReplyDelete...which totally ignores what I rather clearly said. It's still something I and others do not look kindly upon.
@Nämahs
ReplyDeleteActually, the situation is far more complicated: if Hasbro points a gun at the bronies, they're aiming a nuke above their own heads.
If they take down YT "if provoked", they'll start upsetting the fandom, and will risk losing their main channels for advertising. And that's *VERY* bad for business.
About iTunes: I downloaded the free episode and it is saved as a file in a folder. It's in a mp4 format which can be converted and changed to your heart's desire.
ReplyDeleteYou keep it on your hard drive and if you log in through iTunes on another computer you could download it onto that computer too I believe.
@Infinion
ReplyDeleteAh, sorry about that. I got a little carried away with my one-paintbrush-fits-all comment there. It wasn't a fair assumption for me to make.
I do think that it'd be better for us to ask Hasbro to sell their episodes somewhere else, other than doing what some of the comments are doing - defending our rights to take their episodes from them and make them available to download for free. I see no issue with doing this in general (well, little issue), but when Hasbro asks a site to stop without touching youtube or anything else, I think that's pretty nice of them. They haven't attacked youtube or our live streams before, and they still haven't. I just think we should probably repay that niceness with working with Hasbro, not against them.
@bestpony
ReplyDeleteYou're confusing the FIM team, Studio B, with the rest of Hasbro. The FIM team absolutely loves us, they even sit in on discussions and the like here on EQD with us from time to time. They aren't the suitmonkies of hasbro and don't make decisions like this. They're the ones who make the gestures for us, putting in nods to the fandom and fanon in general.
I understand where you're coming from, but what ifs can lead to not being prepared for future hardships. Your what if doesn't debunk mine, in that case, just opposes it. What if Ponyarchive is only the tip of the iceberg? What if it's the only target ever?
Until Doctor Whooves weighs in, we'll not know until it happens or doesn't happen. But that doesn't mean we sit back and trust uncaring suitmonkies who don't give a damn about any of us.
And if it is Apple? Riot. Burn them from their high horse.
Hey, Bags here, I'm making my google doc private until I read up on somethings. If I don't delete it it should be public in a few days
ReplyDeleteIf Hasbro wants to get them to take the site down, they should get Lauren Faust to make a personal appeal. A cease and desist order might be the legally correct way to do it, but it just appears out of nowhere and I completely understand their rationale for not following it. Hasbro, actually talk to the bronies if you want them to do something for you.
ReplyDelete@bky1701
ReplyDeleteApologies; I only looked at your response to me and responded to that, not looked back and seen your argument before. :)
@ThisHomeBoy24
ReplyDeleteSurprised Hasbro isn't taking their marketing and profit making seriously...I mean with a golden opportunity like FiM and a large cult like following, any other successful business would have marketed the crap outta it and turn out DVDs/Blueray, toy figures, and plush dolls, etc like there's no tomorrow...Yet they're slow to the approach
o yes refusing the Cease and Desist will probably be bad for us in the long run.
ReplyDeleteScrew ponyarchive. By continuing to keep their torrents up, they are opposing (and ripping off) the people who brought us the brilliant show that they claim to love. That IS NOT what Bronies are about. By continuing to keep these torrents up, despite Hasbro's wishes, they are hurting the reputation of all Bronies.
ReplyDeleteFirst and foremost, it is their intellectual property. They have the right to tell you to do whatever they want you to with it.
I think EQD should officially oppose the efforts of ponyarchive to break international copyright laws. Stop linking to downloads in the weekly episode posts. If you do so, your reputation is going to go down as well...
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ReplyDeleteWE DO NOT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF PONYARCHIVE! THEY ARE ALL POO-BRAINS AND WE LOVE YOU HASBRO. Just make celestia less pink, and make more DVD's please.
ReplyDeleteBronyNet Video (video.bronynet.com) still has 'em, and they won't be going anywhere soon unless we get one too.
ReplyDeleteMy friend from Europe has mirrored my doc for me:
ReplyDeletehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1MGJUsTtGFMVIKLKlIeyqDxr9tQOMA9ASqF6cSwEpCe4/edit
@John Savant
ReplyDeleteI'm with this guy. If EqD isn't going to directly oppose the way ponyarchive is handling this, we should at least stop directly supporting them. From the links to their response I've seen, they're behaving rather childishly and extremely disrespectfully, and I'd rather EqD not get slammed because it's supporting them.
Also, I don't think I recommend but I highly respect Ponyarchive. You guys have guts to refuse to shut the site down like this.
ReplyDelete@redwings1340
ReplyDeleteHasbro is the business side of things, they're in it for the $$$ and without $$$ the FiM team don't get pay, so of course they're not gonna be nice about it...especially if you steal from them. Remember: businesses don't like you stealing from them, much like the government they hate competitions.
@John Savant
ReplyDeletePlease use your browser's find function on my name. I don't want to repost what I said, but I want to say it in reply to this post.
@Favo
ReplyDeleteIt's not guts, it's extreme disrespect. I can understand being skeptical and saying 'Oh, we're not taking it down now but we'll look into how legit the claim is,' but that's not what they're doing. They're basically slapping Hasbro in the face with their defiance, which is utterly stupid.
That this happened is not surprising, but there is not an easy way to get MLP:FIM at a decent quality right now. The dvds are parsed out with a terrible spin. Other cartoon shows put out full sets and they sell rather well. Been buying dvd sets for a variety of cartoon shows, so why not this one? I read the paragraph on why not, and found it lacking. There are dvd sets by other companies for shows with younger viewer sets than even mlp.
ReplyDeleteAnd iTunes is not a good distribution platform. It's hardly available internationally, and I've had a world of trouble with them and quality. I know some have not, but some people never had trouble with Windows ME amazingly enough either. Large slice that run into issues with running, management, and quality of purchase. Not to mention the price is quite inflated.
About the only decent way for anyone is someone having a dvr. =p
@Xort
ReplyDeleteEeeyup, that's exactly it. I may have issues with the way Hasbro has done things (ie, with the lack of good DVDs, etc), but Ponyarchive's kneejerk response was a horrible idea.
pony archive wouldn't be needed if Hasbro marketed their digital media properly
ReplyDelete@bky1701
ReplyDelete"Pissing off your customers != make profits."
They aren't your customers if they are illegally downloading their intellectial property, now are they?
I cant get it from itunes
ReplyDeleteDoesn't show up in any of my searches
I really think Ponyarchive should be respectful and shut down.
ReplyDeleteI also think Equestria Daily should be respectful and exclude ponyarchive from their episode recaps/news posts.
@John Savant
ReplyDeleteBuying your physical products does.
I don't like this. As much as I love Ponyarchive, the last thing we want to do as fans is alienate Hasbro and the Hub. They have been SO good to us, doing things like writing Derpy into the show, supporting Bronycon and so on. Now they ask us nicely to take down this site and we refuse? Baaad idea.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, "we". Sites like Ponyarchive and EquestriaDaily represent the fandom; when Ponyarchive does something like this it reflects on all of us.
Ponyarchive folks: If you're listening please take the site down. You're making us all look bad.
I think we should be neutral agains this, otherwise we're declaring war and I really think this is a war we cannot win so let's them take ponyarchive we'll hav choices soon
ReplyDelete@John Savant
ReplyDeleteactually the reason why Hasbro goes through all these lengths to shut down illegal sources is because they consider the users as potential customers and a lost source of revenue
can I get some links to Ponyarchives responses?
ReplyDeleteYou gotta laugh a little at how all distrobution systems see "Our Country vs Not Our Country" (Dont think iTunes/USA is the only one, BBC is limited live streams to UK now and sure there are others)
ReplyDeletePersonally, I think this is a stupid move as there are so many bronies outside the USA who have no legal means of watching it. Once again a company is unintentionally saying "I only want american fans"
Of course it's not the end of the world, or even the end of MLP, I'm sitting here looking at a website listing every episode in 480i SD, 720p HD, and 1080p HD, from Season 1 and Season 2. You just gotta dig a little deeper and work a little harder to find them if all else fails.
Also, keep in mind, we are not little girls (well AFAIK, some of you may be but certainly not most) so hasbro doesnt give two s***s about us. Even if we are buying merchandise we are not the target so they ignore us. Hasbro does NOT want MLP to become an "all ages" franchise, and chances are good they will KILL it upon end of S3 to ensure adults stop watching it (they already removed Faust from the project to slow it down!) Remember "No profit is better than somone else making profit"
Anyway... the TLDR version:
You cant stop piracy, every dig around more and you'll still find ponies, but this is the first sign that Hasbro has it in for us, get ready for the storm.
@Ashton Conspiracies everywhere!
ReplyDelete@Ashton you are completely right
ReplyDeleteThis was never a matter if, but of when. Oh well, we all know they only cut a head off a Hydra. And please buy some Pony merchandise to support Hasbro.
ReplyDelete@Mojo
ReplyDeletehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1MGJUsTtGFMVIKLKlIeyqDxr9tQOMA9ASqF6cSwEpCe4/edit
@zorinlynx
ReplyDeleteI see it in reverse. This is Hasbro slapping us all in the face. If anything, they should be thanking us, not the other way around. This isn't some kind of cult where we must follow every word of the company that owns the show. If they decide to be assholes about it, then they should fully expect backlash.
I like their show and bought their products because of that. They weren't doing the same things that turned me off to other media companies and that alone made me want to support them. This move, however, makes me question that. I don't believe I will be doing so in the future.
@Ashton
ReplyDeleteYeah, no offense but...
Fuck it. I don't care if I offend you. You're a paranoid conspiracy nut who sounds like he has no idea what he's talking about. Go home.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteOne can buy their physical product without illegally stealing their intellectual property.
Let me dispel a few rumors.
You DO NOT have the right to watch their product.
You DO NOT have the right to download their product, whether illegal or not.
To sum it up, the people on ponyarchive are self-entitled assholes. They think it is somehow their right to view and download whatever they feel like, even if it breaks copyright laws.
If for no other reason, keep this in mind. Hasbro is a business. Don't expect FiM to last much longer if Hasbro doesn't think it can't make money off the show. Economics 101.
@Xort
ReplyDeleteActually he sounded spot-on to me
Hmmm...if it's a legal issue regarding Hasbro and they have actually requested a cease and desist personally the wise thing would be to cease and desist
ReplyDeleteThough this displeases me, I find it completely acceptable for Hasbro to do this.
ReplyDeletePretty much, Jelfes.... Don't like it, but, well...
ReplyDelete@John Savant
ReplyDeleteThis is the kind of person the rest of you don't want to be. Use your heads, people. There's a reason that this sort only makes up less than ten percent of us.
Here's a hint: It's not because they're right.
If Ponyarchive is behaving rashly, they need to get their asses in check pronto. But I do support their resistance, and EqD has no need to ignore them. There's exactly nothing that the law can do to EqD simply for having links to the site or discussing it.
If anything, we need the landlocked law bodies to back away from the internet further, the only reason they're still trying to push their crap at us in the digital is because they see potential profits for themselves. Anyone disagreeing with that needs to wake up and see what's going on in the world around them.
Hasbro's losing exactly no money for those of us who don't pay. We aren't taking physical things that required money for each iteration to create. They only need to make something once and then copy it as often as they want. If anything, digital sales are cheating the whole basic concept of supply.
That said, viewing something that cost the seller absolutely nothing is harmless. It'd be like trying to charge each time someone set their eyes on a picture of a famous painting in a book. Except even less, because that picture cost money to make and put in that book. Whereas I can just take an episode, click copy, click paste... and bam. Not one bit spent. They make money off the type who's got the disposable income... they've made tens of millions already from us.
All I'm saying.
@Infinion
ReplyDeleteThen I'd say you're pretty dumb, too. How does this:
"Hasbro does NOT want MLP to become an "all ages" franchise, and chances are good they will KILL it upon end of S3 to ensure adults stop watching it (they already removed Faust from the project to slow it down!)"
Sound like something a business interested in making what is essentially a 22 minute toy commercial would do? Actively sabotage said commercial because they're getting money from a different source?
No, I didn't think so.
@Ashton Seriously, guy? I despise conspiracy theorists with a passion... at least, I do when they're being this ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteIf the cease and desist letter is from hasbro then this hurts everyone. Like other people stated ,many can't get the itunes episodes outside the United States. It there are just as many fans in the states as there are outside the states. Probably more. Lack of easier access to new episode will slowly cause lack of interest in the show. Less fans equals less profit to hasbro, equal less support to Studio B, equal less pony. Probably the only people who don't suffer are the lawyers who get paid for these cease and desist letters.
ReplyDelete@John Savant
ReplyDeleteSomeone is very opinionated. Unfortunately, "rights" are something we agree on. Generally, you have the RIGHT to do anything unless restricted. The POWER to prevent people from exercising that right is not a foregone conclusion. We, as a society, decide it.
Please see this post, which is the one I actually referred you to before.
@Kayriel
ReplyDeleteHasbro is like Applebloom, BUY SOME APPLES! we take HUB or itunes :)
@Ashton
ReplyDelete"Hasbro does NOT want MLP to become an "all ages" franchise, and chances are good they will KILL it upon end of S3 to ensure adults stop watching it (they already removed Faust from the project to slow it down!"
Now I know Wikipedia isn't always the best source of information but lookie:
"Faust announced her decision to step down from Executive Producer to Consulting Producer on May 8, 2011 after the first season finale of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic."
Hasbro and the Hub have also sought to market to this demographic. Linda Steiner, the senior vice president for Hasbro Studios, noted that while she hoped that the show would attract a "broader audience," she had "been in the business for 25 years and [had] never seen anything like this."
I don't think Hasbro would intentionally sabotage their own product to stop an unintended demographic from viewing it. That would be terrible business.
It seems to me that for the sake of the brony community, they should take down ponyarchive.
ReplyDeleteIt could make people think that all bronys are software pirates if they end up being forced to take the site down (not to mention it will be the first pony site to be taken down to date). It sucks, but oh well. :\
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteYeah, you go on and keep exercising your "right" to flout copyright laws. Let me know how the law likes that.
Whole lot of pretentiousness coming from these posts.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz6Q0W-oc7Y&feature=related
ReplyDelete@Xort
ReplyDeleteCivil disobedience freed countries, it can free you, too, if you have the balls.
That said, I don't pirate much at all anymore. I just ignore companies which abuse copyright. That's generally more effective at harming them than piracy.
Okay. So, Seth, now is probably the time to shut off commenting...
ReplyDeleteDiscussing the Internet, laws, and piracy is just asking for flamewars.
Everypony! preorder the one DVD, just so they know we are interested in such a venture. I mean, ten bucks isn't that outrageous if it means an eventual full season release.
ReplyDeleteCurses! Confound these ponies, they drive me to spend.
@ALazyFriend I imagine getting Lauren Faust to make a personal appeal to the bronies at ponyarchive is a lot cheaper and more effective than hiring lawyers to write a cease and desist order. I'm just saying it makes sense from a business and effectiveness standpoint.
ReplyDeleteI mean seriously, if Lauren Faust asked ponyarchive to take it down, I'm pretty sure 95% of the pony fandom would bow to her in praise and worship while accepting anything she says. Much better for business than a court battle or something like that.
Occupy Wall Street
ReplyDelete@4d4f5c2a-0f40-11e1-b2f5-000bcdcb8a73
ReplyDeleteespecially when no one here knows what the hell they're talking about and downloading HQ My Little Pony episodes is being compared to the fucking Arab Spring.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteDo you have rocks for brains? How is continuing to break the law and steal intellectual property in any way comparable to Gandhi or King Jr.? Because, you know, that's the comparison you're making here. Something tells me you have no idea what you're talking about.
@PonyBoi
ReplyDeleteI can't get the hub if I 'live' on campus, in college! :(
However, I am a subscriber to Netflix streaming movies and cartoon episodes for the PS3. Too bad there are no MLP episodes on streaming Netflix yet.
I get Rugrats, Invader Zim, Anime on there...but still no MLP. :(
@bky1701
ReplyDelete"Civil disobedience freed countries, it can free you, too, if you have the balls."
That's a lengthy jump in topics to make, my friend! That said, I do think you could make a difference if enough people thought along those lines.
It doesn't make those who disagree wrong, though.
@Xort I like this guy
ReplyDelete@redwings1340 agree!!!!!
ReplyDelete@Xort
ReplyDeletehe probably does.
Fandom's tend to bring out some of the worst nonsense in peoples minds.
HASBRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE US NETFLIX OR GIVE US FULL DVDS OR GIVE US DEATH!
ReplyDeleteIf the episodes were available for me to buy I would buy them. They aren't, so I torrent them.
ReplyDeleteIt's simple really.
I do think PA need to be careful about this though. This situation could get ugly fast, and then nopony would have any pony to watch.
pretty please....
ReplyDeleteBuying episodes trough iTunes avoids all this mess and it supports the show. I think Hasbro needs to offer the episodes on amazon to make the people who dont want to use iTunes happy. It's only natural this would happen. Hasbro offers the episodes to purchase and having free downloads of episodes loses Hasbro money.
ReplyDeletePLEASE!!! if you wright Hasbro a letter expressing your concerns please oh please be nice and calm on expressing your opinion.
PS: How do we know this isn't the work of trolls?
also, fun point to make: Hasbro, if it even cares, might interpret all this vitriol to mean that bronies would not go out and buy DVDs in enough numbers for them to turn a profit, even though they say they will.
ReplyDeletewhich would be all kinds of ironic.
I just want to chime in and say that nothing good can come from Ponyarchive refusing to comply with a direct request to cease and desist. Watching the show online has always been a happy indulgence, not something we're legally entitled to.
ReplyDeleteThe proper thing to do when someone catches you red-handed has always been to say "oops, sorry", cease immediately and back away. And hope that's the end of it.
But if Ponyarchive won't play along, then they are actually forcing Hasbro's hand, wich could result in excessive clampdowns on anything from youtube to fan art or whatnot. So this is no good to anyone.
I personally think, for the sake of not pissing off Hasbro, Ponyarchive should cease and desist. Even if they just bring it up under another name, and be more covert, we don't want to piss off the people who give us what we're stealing. I understand some people can't get it, but if we start making them take it from youtube, then it'll be much harder for you people who can't get it, to get it. See what I'm saying? It's like a tactical retreat. You give up a bit of land so that you can keep what you already have.
ReplyDelete@Xort
ReplyDeleteI believe "intellectual property" to be an immoral construct with no real logical backing. Further, I understand the arguments which led to its creation. Even more, I find copyright supporters perverting language ("stealing" involves removing property, always, no exceptions) to be offensive. Almost as much as using personal insults like "do you have rocks for brains" because you disagree with the person.
@ElectricZoNe
ReplyDeleteThe email came from what seems to be a legit law firm that lists Hasbro as a client, meaning that unless this is some hella good forgery, it's legit.
@MasterContinuum
ReplyDeleteYeah! Netflix and season DvDs FTW! :) I'm glad someone is on my side in this one. Thanks! :)
Like i said, we should start a etition for DVDs. how do we contact the Admins?
ReplyDeletepetition
ReplyDelete@bky1701
ReplyDeleteYou don't have the right to do anything unless it is restricted. Where did you get that idea? Rights aren't handed out willy-nilly. For example, just because I could go out and buy an ice cream sundae, doesn't mean I have a right to their product. Businesses can refuse me service for any reason.
People have the right to what they create. It is their property. Property rights are the basis of economics. Copyrights protect those rights.
Hasbro decides what it sells, where it sells it, how much it costs, and more. If they can't control it, then they are going to end the show. And there is nothing you can do to stop them from ending it, except convince them that it would be in their own best interests to continue. They are a business. Businesses are made to make money. Therefore, we need to prove to them that they will make money off of this show, and by breaking the law to steal from them, we are showing the opposite. Their cease and desist order is perfectly called for and done in the right manner. Ponyarchive's response is pitiful.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the show ends after Season 3. Don't say I didn't warn you.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteright on the dot
you realize that if they shut down the site, another will only get put up in it's place else where. And even if there isn't a new site, torrent sites will always have them.
ReplyDeleteThere will never be a permanent take down, if anime has taught me anything.
How about the next poll being a yes or no to if you would buy a full season DVD?
ReplyDelete@bky1701
ReplyDeleteah so your just a moron who thinks people shouldn't make money off what they own or make.
good to know, you do know that in your world almost NOTHING would be produced and that innovation would die right?
but I guess you just want to world to bend to your whims and desires.
@John Savant
ReplyDeleteyeah if you like socioeconomic slavery
@Sgt Kickass
ReplyDeleteLove the Hitchhiker's guide reference.
"Most of their solutions involved moving around small green pieces of paper, which was strange, since on the whole, it wasn't the green pieces of paper that were unhappy."
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteI didn't insult you because I disagree with you. I insulted you because it was a stupid-as-fuck comparison.
As for your beliefs on how immoral the laws are, big deal. I think the fiasco with the Tent City in Paducah, KY being evicted to be immoral, but it's the law, and the only way to change it does not involve defiantly breaking the law and saying "Nah nah nah, you can't touch me!"
And again, it's a ridiculous thing to be getting in a twist about in the first place. Intellectual property is totally real and legit. It's an idea that one person or a group of people conceived, fleshed out, and gave form to, and disregarding that is disrespectful, childish, and spiteful.
@Blightmare
ReplyDeleteof course there won't be this is the internet.
they should still listen to the cease and desist, spiting in hasbro's face this balantly is stupid.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteSaying you don't support intellectual property laws is essentially saying that you'll pay a the people who will manufacture the paper in a book or the case of a DVD, but you won't pay the artists who created everything else in it.
@Blightmare
ReplyDeleteThe point isn't that the torrents will still be there. The real problem is ponyarchive being childish, spiteful assholes in response to the C&D. It's bad form, and it can only lead to backlash.
@John Savant
ReplyDeleteThat ideas are property is not a foregone conclusion. It is a recent invention of approximately the last 300 years.
As for having rights/being granted rights, nearly every document defining personal rights (national and internation) goes to length to explain that the rights enumerated are not the only rights which exist. This means, freedom is the natural state, all restrictions upon it are for social benefit.
I'm a social contract theorist, so sue me. :P
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteinteresting!
do you draw stuff? or make PMVs or fanfics, perchance? 'cuz if so, and if "intellectual property" is an immoral concept, then i totally have moral sanction to take what you make, claim it for my own, sell it, and never let you see one penny.
and they said i had to work for a living...
Refuse to take it down? Yeah that won't end well..
ReplyDelete@Mojo
ReplyDeleteI'm quite certain that much was produced before the Licensing Act in 1662. Worth noting: copyright was originally to restrict what could be published. The Romantics made it into the idea that people have some sort of inherent right to profit. I'd like to offer you to read some of their arguments in favor of copyright, and you'll see exactly how far it has failed to accomplish its purpose.
I often joke that France could forgo nuclear power, were they to hook Victor Hugo's casket to a generator.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteYou know what else isn't a foregone conclusion? Motherfucking anything. We, as humans, decide what is right and what is wrong. How new or old an idea is shouldn't decide what is valid. Because you know what else is a recent invention of approximately the last 150 years or so? The idea that slavery is illegal.
WELP IT'S NOT THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD SO IT'S INVALID. TIME TO START WORKING THE COTTON FIELDS AGAIN, BUBBA.
Dumbass.
I personally adore Mac computers(Hence I own one and using it) the skill crafted to build these things are amazing, but there bloody expensive, and you could most likely buy a PC for $3,000 less, and have the same power, and most Apple based programs are sluggish such as iTunes, and it isn't perfect... in all honesty I hate it but it is the only thing I have.
ReplyDeleteAside from that, what I'm getting from all this commotion that Hasbro is trying to milk MLP:FiM. I saw this coming as soon as I found out it was on iTunes and DVDs where coming out. Then they look at our massive community and how much we LOVE ponies and say "Hey, if we (Hasbro) take down one of their (Brony's\Pegasister's) main download site we could increase our income" I'll guess that most 85% (this is just a guess) of the Brony's and Pegasister's will not buy them. Not cause they don't want to pay Hasbro for their wonderful creation of MLP:FiM, but just merrily they don't have the money to do it. I purchased the season 2 season pass for $50 then I found out that iTunes uses a protective format so I had to spend another $50 for 3rd party software to convert it into a usable format and use my other main converting program that cost $60 to convert it into its full glory of 1080p.(I downloaded the iTunes version cause of a $50 gift card I got, and I think it looks better then the torrents I download but thats a different story)
That is a min. of $50 for people just wanting to watch the show and $160 for PMV makers. If your running off an allowance, such as myself, then that is a tad bit to much. I would like to purchase other stuff to.
Summary- Harbro is trying to milk MLP:FiM in order to gain more cash. That is the only reason I can think of. Unless anyone else can think of why Hasbro would decide to act NOW instead of later when the fan base started.
P.S. I can't wait to refresh the page and read the next 100 comments coming:)
Oh it's SO much fun to kick a hornets nest...
ReplyDeleteLets be honest a moment, fellas. MLP:FiM has such an insanely wide demographic that it coudl be the next Star Wars, market wise. If Hasbro REALLY wanted to tap this, why has 100% of all FiM merchandising been aimed at little girls? (or well little 'kids')
Where are our collectible statues? Where are our Model kids? Where are our Video Games? Where are even our Plushies?! There's basically not a single product out there that's MLP not aimed at children that isnt fan-made (not that I'm knocking the fan-made items, all of those are awesome) We're not biting the hand that feeds us, we're biting the hand that denies us! We want to throw money at them, but they give us no options to!
If you think about it... they are really NOT marketing to our demographic at all...
What ScrapBrain said, essentially.
ReplyDeleteI'm a brony living in the UK and I have no other avenue of obtaining HQ Poni outside of those torrents. I'd love to support the show by paying for the episodes I watch, but if you live outside America and/or can't tolerate the tomfoolery associated with iTunes, then there doesn't seem to be a legitimate channel available for me or anypony sharing my position to actually do that.
Is there some reason Hasbro can't sell us DRM-free, regionless 1080p mkv files direct in a similar manner to this Louis C. K gentleman that's been doing the rounds on reddit recently? Am I being naïve?
Also, while I rely on PA for my poni fix, I think the way they handled the C&D, regardless of whether Hasbro or Apple issued it, was beyond short-sighted.
For Celestia's sake everypony! You're all worse drama queens than Rarity is. It's highly likely that the trolls that have been flagging Youtube videos have decided to go after another source to troll people, and you're all falling for it and feeding them!
ReplyDelete"Looks legit" doesn't always mean it is, I think everypony should wait and see if there's an official confirmation rather than acting like reactionary idiots panicking at the drop of a hat.
Pony Archive is doing the right thing here in my opinion, I'm sure if it does turn out to be from Hasbro that they'll politely take it down without a fuss.
@ShadowCell
ReplyDeleteI've written software, am in college to be an engineer, and am currently writing a book I plan to release online. I don't feel copyright has aided me at all, and indeed, there are many points it has harmed me.
I'd like to point out that technically, fanfiction, PMVs, and fan art are all illegal derivative works under copyright. You are violating the law by making and publishing them. It is simply that most companies choose not to go after the people who do such, although it has happened in the past.
Ask a lawyer if you don't believe me about any of this.
It's funny because supporting today's broken copyright is like supporting corporate slavery.
ReplyDeleteSupporting copyright doesn't mean you're against stealing, it just means you are oblivious of the changes going on around you
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteAnd you know what? Fuck the legal side of the debate. Let's look at this without filtering it through our own morals or the law or any of that pesky stuff.
The fact of the matter is, most people in the world want to make a profit. If they aren't making a profit, they won't do it. Which means if Hasbro decides MLP isn't bringing in enough money, say bye to the show. And know what? They have the right to do that, so in that scenario all your 'civil disobedience' has freed us from is the overbearing burden of new pony episodes.
Hooray! The canon won't change and destroy the basis for fanfics anymore... I guess?
Sad days... =(
ReplyDeleteO well... Love and tolerate and all that jazz >=)
@Xort
ReplyDeletethe fact of the matter is SHUT UP THIS IS THE INTERNET
@Ashton
ReplyDeletewhy would they?
look at the stuff this fandom produces. it's not stuff you can fit into the show. it's not stuff they would want associated with a children's show. i think they can be forgiven for looking at what this fandom of teenage-to-adult mostly-men produces, then looking at their target audience, and wanting to keep their distance a bit.
http://imgur.com/a/afqDH#0
ReplyDelete@Xort
ReplyDeleteActually, the idea of slavery as it existed in the US, was invented about 200 years ago in the US. Vaguely defined systems of slavery existed elsewhere from time to time, and then there's serfdom, but to act as if the morality of slavery is entirely a new thing is quite disingenuous. Britain banned it long before the US Civil War, and it was never legal to "own" people in many other countries.
...although the last thing I want to do is start discussing slavery here, too. Or for that matter, much else with someone who apparently cannot have a civil discussion. Still, I can't let historical inaccuracies go corrected.
@Mojo Like you said other sites will pop up with the videos. I don't see why people are acting as though it's the only site. I don't condone piracy however it isn't the end of the world.
ReplyDeleteNonetheless ignoring a cease and desist request from Hasbro is a REALLY bad Idea. And people should stop demonizing them. They aren't the cause of everything you don't like.
@Ashton I may be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure all of the things you just listed take a lot longer than the year or so our fandom has existed. The show was originally for little girls, and all of their merchandising is aimed as such. They haven't caught up to the new demographic. But that doesn't mean they are trying to end the show. It just means that these things take time.
ReplyDeleteYou need to be patient, that's all.
If they would just put up episodes for download on Amazon, I'd buy them. Say $30/season, maybe.
ReplyDeleteI refuse to pay for stuff locked to iTunes because it's a headache to get it on my TV. And yes there are workarounds, but still.
bky1701 said...
ReplyDelete>>I'd like to point out that technically,
>>fanfiction, PMVs, and fan art are all illegal
>>derivative works under copyright.
Seriously depends on your intent. Also depends on your market, the market of the IP holder, etc. Everyone wants to forget "Fair Use" and "Parody Rights" which a lot of derivitis fall under. For example, most of the "Abridged" series fall safely under "Parody" and cant be touched because they are almsot exact opposite of what Hasbro is marketing and aims at a very different demographic.
Brace yourselves, it's going to be a bumpy and bloody ride.
ReplyDeletePonyarchive isn't the only place to get the torrents, you know.
If YouTube gets hit, the fandom as we know it is over. Way to put a rope on your neck, Hasbro.
Again, prepare to lynch some corporate bastards, the FIM team better get out of the way if they know what's good for them.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, 300 years ago. Although, it is hard to put an exact date on it. Interestingly, a lot of new things became "property" around the 17th-18th century.
@bky1701
ReplyDelete"That ideas are property is not a foregone conclusion. It is a recent invention of approximately the last 300 years."
It's funny how practically all major advances in technology, medicine, human rights, and standard of living have been in the last 300 years. I wonder why?
You are practically arguing that we should ignore 300 years of progress, and go back to the early 1700s. Now I ask you, are we more free now, or back then? Do we have more "rights" now, or back then? Are we able to do more things now, or back in the times where you didn't know when your next meal was? Where people left the only place they knew to simply think the way they wanted to? Where a broken leg was a potentially fatal injury?
Property rights are a good thing. Don't try to pretend otherwise.
Ponyarchive is stealing Hasbro's property, and enabling others to steal it.. They are wrong for doing so. They should stop, immediately.
Alright, I'll say it:
ReplyDeleteFuck Hasbro.
Okay? Just another mammoth corporation that moved its manufacturing out of America so that 10 y/o East Asian kids could do it for slave wages.
I really like Friendship is Magic. BUT HASBRO IS NOT MY FRIEND. Hasbro can unequivocally eat a dick.
Oh and all you "Well there's always other sources" folks better be aware that Congress is literally gonna decide whether or not to censor the fuck out of the internet, like, tomorrow. No, srsly. If SOPA passes, its Open Season on Bittorrent.
In the meantime, Keep Calm and Canter On...
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteah! so i can take your software and your book, i can claim that they're mine, i can claim that i made them, i can make money off of them, i can become famous and respected and loved for them, and you have no right to take any of that from me because in no real sense is any of that stuff yours!
interesting.
see, i did ask a lawyer about this, and he said that if i did any of the above, it would be highly illegal and immoral because i would be stealing from you--not something necessarily tangible, perhaps, but something nonetheless. it's crazy, it's almost like he was operating under the assumption that "intellectual property" isn't an immoral construct or something.
welp! feel free to tell me when you write that book, man. daddy needs a new laptop.
I tried torrenting a couple of episodes off the archive not too long ago. They didn't work so I just scrapped 'em. This doesn't effect me too much anyway, I watch all episodes on the Hub or Youtube. I'm curious as though why iTunes is getting a heap of hate directed towards it, I think its a wonderful program.
ReplyDeleteXort, I would love to continue, but your intellect is so truly beyond me, it is baffling to even consider. I must go write something relating to philosophy now. I thank everyone for tolerating my digression here.
ReplyDeleteTake it down, more will follow.
ReplyDeleteIt's a war without an end.
@Xavos
ReplyDeleteOn that same shaky, ill thought-out ground, "could be fake" doesn't mean it is, bro. When something looks legit, it's likely that it is. And this does. The website seems to check out, and it's a risky enough situation that we should be careful anyway.
Pony Archive is not doing the right thing. They're being childish and saying "We're gonna keep breaking the law and YOU CAN'T STOP US HAHAHA!"
If this is the real deal, it could mean serious backlash for the fandom, and even if it isn't, the way PA is handling this still doesn't reflect well on the fandom as a whole. They're only hurting us.
@bky1701
Oh, and look! You can only respond to one possible historical inaccuracy instead of addressing each point I've made. I may not be having the most civil discussion with you - mostly because I believe you're a blithering, vapid idiot - but at least even I have the respect to address your whole argument instead of picking and choosing what I respond to.
@Mac3030
ReplyDeleteBecause the Itunes downloads are US only.Thereby screwing everyone else over.
@Ashton
ReplyDelete>the Next star wars.
haahhahahaha, yeah no.
ShadowCell said...
ReplyDelete>>why would they?
>>look at the stuff this fandom produces. it's
>>not stuff you can fit into the show. it's not
>>stuff they would want associated with a
>>children's show. i think they can be forgiven
>>for looking at what this fandom of teenage-to-
>adult mostly-men produces, then looking at
>>their target audience, and wanting to keep
>>their distance a bit.
I've give you a hint: What's green and paper and has pictures of dead presidents on it?
Now, I'm not blaming them, they're trying not to dilute their franchise. They decided they wanted a franchise for little girls and god-d***it they are going to make it that! As I said above I fully expect S3 to be the end of FiM and for the G5 series to be back to an "all girls show" like the prior gennerations are.
I'm not attacking you, my whole comment was aimed at the "your a crazy conspiracy theorist, Ashton!" group.
@milleniummaster18
ReplyDeleteIf youtube gets hit enough, it will be replaced with something else. This is the internet
@ALazyFriendHasbro may look big and powerful from a distance, but in reality they are one of the "smaller" big companies. It doesn't help their case that I'm pretty sure they still don't really know what to think of us, and they probably never will. Devoting money towards a fan base that could disappear as quickly as it appeared is an understandably risky move, but there are many ways Hasbro could take advantage of this fan base with minimal loss if we were to "find the next best thing", but they are to blind to see them.
ReplyDelete@Ashton
ReplyDeleteIt is true that a number of things might fall under parody. However, that isn't some vague concept, it has a clear legal definition. "Cupcakes" definitely gets by as a parody, and the clopfics are probably safe, too. However, unless it is outlandish, it becomes something of a gray area.
Fair Use has nothing to do with posting content on the internet. The only time it really deals with reproduction is that it allows basically unrestricted use of anything in an educational setting.
What would a brave pony like Raibow Dash do?
ReplyDeleteWell what I see is that whatever happens to ponyarchive is NOT going to be an attack and we can convert it into an attack just by opposing to it. I understand that not all the comunity is agains this even if they are getting affected like me.
Of course Hasbro knew that this would make positive and negative comments and we cannot win this battle so let's not have a war because as we do Hasbro doesn't want to fight either.
I love the brony comunity and I know me and others would fight for us but... what can we do if the enemy is the comunity.
Some things...
ReplyDelete1) PonyArchive's C&D was indeed legit, but they're able to stay afloat due to a legal loophole. This, however, is more than likely a very temporary defense.
2) Everyone should step back and take a chill pill. Even I had to. This isn't the end of the world. The guys at PA are great guys with a great cause, and their efforts have been very much appreciated. Even though they're gone (or soon will be), Pony won't fall off the internet. Now, if Hasbro had such an agenda, be sure that I'd be right up there with the top brass fighting for our fandom, but there's nothing out there that indicates that this is the case.
3) Hasbro/The Hub has every right to issue a C&D, and while I disagree with both their methodology and motivation, I understand it. Hopefully this is the first and last C&D this community receives.
4) Until I hear otherwise, I have it on good authority that the YouTube streams will continue as usual.
5) To quote InkySpots: Keep Calm and Canter On.
@Ashton
ReplyDeleteWell, sorry, but you are a crazy conspiracy theorist. YOUR OWN ARGUMENT CONTRADICTS ITSELF.
First, you say:
"I've give you a hint: What's green and paper and has pictures of dead presidents on it?"
Implying that, in some way, denying an entire unexpected demographic and ending a franchise early out of spite is a good way to make money. Still not sure how that works, but then you come up with:
"Now, I'm not blaming them, they're trying not to dilute their franchise. They decided they wanted a franchise for little girls and god-d***it they are going to make it that! As I said above I fully expect S3 to be the end of FiM and for the G5 series to be back to an "all girls show" like the prior gennerations are."
Which implies, again, that DENYING A SOURCE OF FINANCIAL SUCCESS is somehow their plan to achieve financial success.
Gee, sure is idiot in the comment section today.
@Xort
ReplyDeleteTrolls are well known for wasting their lives away for the stupidest reasons, it would not surprise me that they'd go to such lengths to get their jollies.
And life's all about risks, bet you've taken a fair share of your own risks in life. You can't back down at the first sign of danger all the time.
@Ikusa GT
ReplyDeleteyup.
everytime these shitstorms happen I feel like im one of the few reasonably sane people in the fandom.
thankfully looking at these comments im wrong, most people seem to be quite reasonable.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteSlavery has evolved into corporate control and influence over our lives. The biggest indicator was the economic crisis, the energy crisis, and the outcry of people from Occupy Wall Street.
Maybe I'm overanalyzing, but I really have to question the validity of this.
ReplyDeleteA) Who actually put the email linked above up for view? I've seen a few actual C&Ds in my time, and that just doesn't read right. It also doesn't have any of the e-signing and verification data that would prove it to be a real email from Golenbock.
B) Why are PA being so rap-tight about their source for the "legitimacy" of the C&D? The only real valid source in this case would be an actual associate with Hasbro or Golenbock, and there have been plenty of trolls emulating both in the past...
C) /Why would PA refuse an actual C&D/?
This is the Internet. Identities are easy to spoof. I want to see proof that actually holds weight.