I contemplated posting this for a good 2 hours or so. I always like to avoid drama, but he makes some really good points.
An Open Letter to the Brony Community
Bring back the love!
(Feel free to discuss it in the comments, but please don't send me your versions :3)
769 comments:
I'm okay with people not liking what I like. It's cool. Other people can like what you don't like, too.
ReplyDeleteI think this is a unanimous consensus of everypony in here, save for a few and far between anonymous posters.
@Anonymous >Just enjoy what you enjoy, and ignore what you don't like.
And then the discussion was closed, because none word else had to be said.
PS: The view counter is going mad...
@Anonymous Not even. :p
ReplyDeleteNo, seriously. Everyone has their own preferences, sure, but there's a whole multi-layered cake of reasons as to why it's just more interesting.
Conflict, of course, being prime of them as translated from our intolerant society. Conflict is lifeblood of most kinds of fiction.
Having two... Well, I think you can figure out why guys like lesbian porn, for instance.
@ 4:15 anon:
ReplyDeleteI guess that would get a little annoying. I don't really read much het, so I doubt I'd really read Rainbow Dash with a guy, but whatever, not gonna flame or anything.
@ Fire.Esper:
I've run into a lot of fandoms where there really wasn't any gay fanfic at all. Mostly book fandoms, wonder why that is?
I guess most of the gayfic-heavy fandoms have a gender imbalance in the cast, more interesting same-gender interactions in the cast than opposite-gender interactions, or canon characters that are or get interpreted as gay? Or maybe it's the fans that are different, and the gayer fandoms have more gay fans or more yaoi fangirls/yuri fanboys?
What kinds of ships are you into, if I may ask?
Straight Ponies > Lesbian Ponies
ReplyDelete@ 4:33 anon
ReplyDeletenoooo, lesbian ponies forever XD
If I could write, I'd write a fic where all of Equestria was gay. As a result, the population would gradually decline because no one wanted to have straight sex.
ReplyDeleteTwilight (the only sensible straight pony) would go about trying to convince everyone of the inevitible, but to no avail.
Also in my fic there is no such thing as
ReplyDelete'babies by magic'.
@Anonymous I wasn't aware I was "defending" or "attacking" anyone. I thought I was just being playful and all that. Thanks for the heads-up!
ReplyDeleteFYI, a lot of people here stood up not because they're furries trying to "defend" themselves from bits of text - how terrible - but because they're bronies, and don't like trolling, bigotry, stereotyping - the good stuff - like this in general.
Have some respect for them. I do.
@After All That's odd. I've never been big on reading, so maybe it's indeed shaped differently... Also, I could be completely wrong. :p
I think you're right, actually. I think, for all our prejudices, we don't care about genders and sexuality as we just care about characters. You certainly don't have to be gay to write or enjoy such things, anymore than you have to be straight for the opposite.
Don't know what I'm personally into, really. I think I'm gender-blind. I just like people and characters for what they are.
@ After All
ReplyDeleteC'mon, wouldn't you want a fic where Big Mac gets into a relationship with Rainbow Dash and they proceed to 'create little ponies'?
@Anonymous Giraffes don't seem to have that problem even though 90% of their sexual life is between same genders, actually.
ReplyDeleteAnd, I know that from Wikipedia... Not creepy...
@Fon Shaolin I'm sorry, man, but not only are most of the comments here in agreement with this letter, but you're sort of proving the writer's point.
ReplyDeleteYou're free to have your opinions; I'm not going to force-feed you my own ideals. Just leave it away from the caring and friendship. I know you mean well, but you know what they say about the road to Hell.
Also, Sonic and Star Fox have crumbled because of shitty games, not because of the eeeeeeevil furries, although I do hear that they eat hay in an evil way.
@ 4:42 anon:
ReplyDeleteNot really, though I can see why other people would like it.
But I'm pretty odd about fic preferences, I'll give you that.
Hi Mom
ReplyDeleteHello dearie~
ReplyDeleteOh good lord, I go to dinner and the post count doubles. ~
ReplyDeleteHave to go with lesbian, since otherwise it'd have to be harem, which I can never get into.
Irony fic: everyone is closet lez except for Dash. Go!
I see all the reproduction stuff is done away from the view of everyone and behind stall doors. And keep it that way.
ReplyDeleteYou know, guys, the cure for this is pretty simple.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't want furry to "ruin" this community for you, then just don't let it. Hell, I do that with anime all the time. I dislike yaoi, and all the drama associated with the weeaboo fantards (as distinguished from actual "anime fans"), but somehow I still find the time to watch favorite/new anime, and I still find myself buying a ticket to AWA every year. How do I do it? I just IGNORE THE PARTS OF THE FANDOM THAT I DON'T LIKE.
You don't have to be fluffy-huggy-friendly with everything and everyone. NOBODY is saying that. Tolerance doesn't mean accepting with open arms and everything is always okay, no matter how vile you think it is! It means that if it isn't illegal and nobody's being hurt, then you PUT UP WITH IT, ignore it, and give your attention/energy/time/money to the parts that you DO like. Trust me, I've been a grownup for quite a while now, and doing that is MUCH more enjoyable than harping on the people/things that are "ruining" it for you.
Don't you people watch South Park??? I believe they have covered this exact point....
Everypony that has been arguing this whole time: You've stopped being helpful. If you can't accept that your opponent's concerns are valid, then no amount of arguing is going to make any bit of positive difference.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I have to add to this is that when I see the notion of 'I will tolerate all of X but not Y', it's usually from a racist politician.
ReplyDeleteNo, seriously. Take the British National Party. They're fine with poor people, old people, uneducated people, and just generally anyone providing they're British. And if they had their way then they'd probably have their blood screened for ethnic purity.
When anyone says that they can tolerate all of X but not Y, it's what they sound like. If you also consider that for a long time people of certain ethnicities were treated like dirty animals, then it becomes obvious why this shouldn't happen.
A large injustice, a tiny injustice, a petty injustice, it doesn't matter guys. An injustice is still an injustice. And being prejudiced like that in a way that reminds me of the worst racists that my country has been responsible for in a while isn't right, and to subject people to that isn't just.
No, furries haven't had to deal with any physical trauma, admittedly. But let me tell you something - I was gay through the '70s. I've had a lot of things to deal with, and that was one of them, and yes I was abused because of it. And yes, I've been the victim of violence.
But not all harm is physical, there's a psychological element here as well, and it's like Fire.Esper said, if you have a large enough group of people who're all against--prejudiced against--another, then obviously they're going to feel inferior, and it's going to impact upon their self-esteem. Try sitting on the other side of the fence for a moment and consider that, just let that percolate.
If you have a negative opinion of furries then you've probably spent a good while going out of your way to try and make people neurotic. And to me, that doesn't make you any different than gay haters, or people who pick on disabled people, or racists. No different at all. Not even slightly. Doesn't that make you feel *anything*?
If you were on the other side of this and you constantly had people spewing vitriol at you because of something harmless that makes you feel happier and more complete, would you be cool with it? What if we did this with gaming? What if suddenly gaming was a perverse act, and we all started directing hate speech toward gamers? Would that be cool?
When you talk about tolerance, you can't limit your tolerance. I'm fine with people being whatever they want to be, even normal and everyday people. I hang out with all sorts - college nerds, furries, therians, otherkin... hell, my best friend at the moment is pretty much an eccentric robotics engineer who likes to babble on about ... I don't know what, half the time. But he's great.
If you really claim to uphold the tenets of this show, then take it from someone who's seen all sorts of prejudice throughout his long old life. It's not cool. You might think you're not doing any damage, but even to the most thick skinned you're slowly chipping away at their ego and self-esteem, until they're terrified to admit who they are, until it feels like they're hiding in some racist regime where they fear being ostracised and kicked out if they speak the truth of themselves.
Is that cool for this community?
I don't think it is.
I think you're all better than that.
I want you to all be better than that. Every last damn one of you.
And that's about all I have to say for this comment. But really, the next time you're about to spew vitriol at someone for simply doing something they enjoy - just stop. Stop. Don't type. Think about it. And think about which action would make you the better person, admonishing someone for simply being different to you, or doing all you can to take a little bit of their happiness away because they're different from you.
Just ask yourself that. You should know the right answer.
Peace.
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteSee, this is why it's always better to have live debates. You get to see people's faces, you can't pretend others don't exist, and most importantly, everyone gets cupcakes.
Seriously, you try raging while eating a cupcake. Can't be done. :D
Blargh. NOT admonishing someone, rather.
ReplyDeleteI would like to point out that not all of the neighsayers are spewing vitriol and flames. I attempted to put forward some concerns in an unemotional, civil way several times, and I noticed that a number of other people did too. However, we were effectively shut out of the "discussion" because everybody on the other side chose to engage only the inflammatory neighsayers and not any of us who were actually trying to have a civil dialog. Maybe it's too much to hope for anything better on the internet, but a lot of us are trying to reach out only to be rejected or ignored.
ReplyDelete@ 7:42 Anon
ReplyDeleteThat's a pretty big issue with all Internet forums. I've got a feeling that effect is what got most of the internet as a whole into the state it's in now.
I think it is what happens when the only rolemodel anypony gets on discussion and argumentation essentially comes from the Mare E. Springer show.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteWe try not to ignore anyone, but the rational people are usually the ones that no one has any qualms with or points against, so they're left alone.
The vast majority of people here (even in this thread) are all really civil; it's just more fun to argue with those who aren't. :)
should this be renamed the rage thread?
ReplyDeleteor pointless arguing thread?
really what is the point when your MORE THAN SIX HUNDRED freaking post in?
all i've seen is people repeating themselves over and over and over and... you get the point.
'tis time to put this quarrel to rest my friends since nobody is getting anywhere anyway
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ReplyDeleteoh? i got the devil post! sweet!
ReplyDeleteThis is an interesting issue.
ReplyDeletewe need to love and respect people but at the same time, i am not a fan of the entire pony's fucking fan fiction.
lets have a moment of honesty. the moment you bring sex to something like my little pony, its ruined. part of the charm of the show is its innocence. its a kids show, the characters are really p much children themselves, and if we start having mad fanfic about everything fucking everything, it just gets CREEPY.
we can be cool with liking a show made for little girls. thats fine. maybe even awesome.
but the sex part is so so so creepy. like, the thought of people beating off to rarity make me cringe so bad. we cant cant CANT Be assosiated with that. we can love and respect the shit out of them, but just like the pony's keep all their creepy shit in the ever free forest, we need to keep our creepy, creepy, CREEPY bronies (who we love and respect) in an ever free forest, FAR FAR FAR away from us, the pony's of ponyville.
right?
Amazing how many people who insist on bringing "facts about furries" into this little discussion are running on pure fantasy.
ReplyDelete1) "Furry conventions are all about sex fetishes where everyone shows up in bondage gear"
I've been to a lot of conventions in my twenty-plus years as a furry, and I've seen exactly three people show up looking like that. Each such appearance also provoked a shitstorm of controversy over public appearances and behavior at furry cons, resulting in a lot of such conventions taking on no-tolerance policies when it comes to lewd behavior.
2) "Furries are about nothing but corking off to dirty animal pictures"
Spoken like someone who gets their info from /b/, or by looking for stuff to confirm their existing biases. If I want to convince myself that the Catholic Church supports Nazis, there's pictures of bishops blessing Hitler. Recognizing reality means noticing, amongst other things, that furries produce material of ALL ratings --- including G and PG. You can see a lot of it on Ponibooru, and you're welcome.
3) "Not every furry does X or Y, but by identifying yourself as a furry you're identifying yourself as X or Y"
Guilt by association, lovely. How about "Not every Brony loves G3 or G3.5, but by identifying yourself as a Brony you're identifying yourself as a lover of G3 or G3.5". See how that shit works?
Furry fandom started as a subset of comic-book fandom. The comics had ZERO porn in them. We grew and built and fandom around those comics, and THEN the fetishists came in because they heard from someone who heard from someone that we screw our cats.
You like self-fulfilling prophecies? You're in one.
Guys, I think they resolved the main arguments a few hours ago.
ReplyDeleteanon above,
ReplyDeletethe entire point of the letter was to try and bring back the "yeah you X but we still love you" part of the community, wich was totally thrown out the window for a fur/no fur debate, going further now is like beating on a dead horse (no pun intended)
Interesting read, and interesting points.
ReplyDeleteProps to MarioMarc, Fire.Esper and Bibo.
Anger, fear and hate lead to the dark side. Take it from a Sith Lord. The fandom ill needs these things. It's up to us to keep it going strong, despite preconceived notions.
I'm still trying to figure out where the phobia towards role-players comes from.
ReplyDeleteSo I'm a furry, not a "Brony". Could you guys please keep your fandom out of mine? I can't shake a stick without running into some knockoff my little pony persona anymore. Everywhere I go, there's MLP porn, stories written about, everything. Its really FUCKING ANNOYING. Ya'll can do what you like. I don't really get the appeal, but whatever floats the boat. Just please, please, for the love of god, do it in your own spaces. Not mine.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I got up to comment, what, five-hundred and something before just skipping straight to the end, so this probably isn't relevant anymore, but whatever.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I've been able to see, it's very hard to try and come up with an argument for both sides and not sound like you're a part of either one. For instance, I'm sitting here thinking "Furries are okay, as long as they keep to themselves." But then that's unfair to them, because the people who hate furries are still allowed to bitch about them, and they don't get to show off some of their legitimately awesome work. If you tell the people bitching about the furries to shut up and leave them alone, that lets the more risque furries unleash their worst amongst the general pony public, and the pony community gets seen as nothing but a bunch of perverts. If you tell everyone to shut up, then a large chunk of the community disappears right there, and if you let them all talk, chaos, not unlike this post's comments, ensues. Plus there's the furries that no one even knows are furries, but I guess they don't count. So there's essentially no winning with this argument, simply because the original argument is in a loop in the first place.
I guess the whole point I'm trying to make here is you gotta keep 'em seperated (DERN, DUN, DUDERN DUN) otherwise shit like this happens.
Also with fanfics, tags 'n' shit, yo. I'm not at all interested in grimdark or shipping (well, 'cept maybe the occasional one (damn you, curiosity)), and the tags let me avoid all that. It's not that hard to figure out.
Either way, I've always been a very optomistic and tolerant person by nature, hell I've been a Sonic fan for the past 10 years and enjoyed quite a lot of it, so this whole argument to me is quite pointless, but contributing is fun, so what the hey.
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately I don't think anyone is capable of stopping this entirely anywhere. Though it is good to know that there are furries that don't like MLP, I can't say I've run into very many of you.
@SethistoHate to interrupt, but I read that in the "I like turtles." kid's voice.
ReplyDeleteThat is all.
Straight Ponies > Lesbian Ponies
ReplyDeleteI just wanted to say you guys are actually pretty cool.
ReplyDeleteI know it may not seem like that after a few hundred borderline-flamewar posts, but given my personal experience with online fandoms and communities and statistics and psychological maxims and stuffs...
Bronies are currently one of if not THE most civil, respectful and tolerant fandoms out there.
Pat yourselves on the back, guys. Seriously.
(You very few who shouldn't, you know who you are. Just think about what you said for a bit, and come back - we'll still love you!)
@Anonymous Pansexual ponies > Chocolate eclair
ReplyDeleteThe things I miss while I sleep and work...
ReplyDeleteI was going to write something about how the difference between shipping, ribald humor, tasteful romance, and pornography is more about degrees than distinction. Or about how the only difference between writing about your OC and writing about Lyra is that you can point to a piece of official art and say "This exists, even though I made up the name, personality, and everything else."
But I won't. That's not my point.
You're emotionally invested in a series with anthropomorphic animals. I mean, here you are on a board dedicated to such things, reading this and participating in the community. Where I'm from, that means you're a furry. It's cool. I'm a furry too - yeah, there are some weirdos, but you get that in every crowd. I'll be over here with my Usagi Yojimbo figurines, Uncle Scrooge comics and Sly Cooper games having fun. Or Paper Mario - we're allowed to like non-furry things too, y'know.
I really think "love and tolerate" was just an image macro used to annoy trolls before banning them from whatever forum they were crapping up. The community doesn't actually love the trolls posting disgusting or offensive nonsense, because it hurts the fandom.
ReplyDeleteIt's not even a theme or line from the actual show, it's an ironic contrivance designed to exploit the first impressions a troll would have of the genre.
Taking it seriously would mean advocating against banning or kicking or moderation of any kind.
@Too Much
ReplyDeleteNo, no, no. HELL NO! I'm going to love and tolerate the shit out of you, but you do NOT get to define me as part of your "furry" culture. No way, no how.
This is EXACTLY how furries ruin other fandoms. You guys waltz in, find a passing relation to your own subculture, then all of a sudden us non-furry people get lumped into the same boat you decided to sail in. Not happening bro.
You want to be a furry, that's cool. You want to be a Brony, thats cool too. Just don't come in and say "OMG we're ALL furries ain't that grand!"
@Too Much Not necessarily. By the widest definition of the word, every person on Earth that has ever watched a cartoon would qualify - and that's meaningless.
ReplyDeleteWhether or not you can be arbitrary label X or arbitrary label Y, however, you leave your right to complain about fans of cartoon animals at the door the minute you identify as a fan of cartoon animals.
@Anonymous Oh, it's quite serious. In fact it's the ONLY way to deal with flaming, in any medium, Internet or real-life.
Hugs!
@Anonymous "I'm not gay, I just like other men. Don't stereotype me!"
It's just a word. No need to flip out. It's not very nice.
Let me rephrases that properly: "Look, you like the same things I do, can't we all just be friends?"
>MLP is not about all friendship, all the time, no matter what. It's about being loyal to your friends and keeping an open mind. When Gilda was a bitch, she was shunned. When Trixie was an arrogant show-off, the cast banded together against her. When the Parasprites invaded, they were fought off with magic and song. Both the dragon and the cockatrice were browbeat into taking a stance of non-aggression towards ponies.
ReplyDelete>But according to the bastardised philosophy of peace and love that's being espoused by Ponychan's inhabitants, none of that is canon, because they've misinterpreted the pro-friendship theme as "be a doormat and try to make friends with everyone, no matter how hostile" instead of "the support of your friends can help solve any problem".
>Goddamn it, grow a pair. Even Fluttershy's used intimidation to get what she needs, to say nothing of the rough-and-tumble approaches to life of Rainbow Dash and Applejack.
From a post I made on /co/ - it's probably rather more abrasive than what I'd say in a more civilized discussion like here, so I'll apologize for any jimmies it may rustle.
Blindly accepting anyone *ruins fandoms*. You think furries have always been as hated as they are today? They were once just another corner of the internet marked 'abandon sexual mores all ye who enter here', but when they started adopting the 'accept anyone who shares our interest as one of us, no matter what' philosophy, they got absolutely flooded with those who would never be accepted anywhere else - I almost just dropped the terms 'cub' and 'babyfur' to let my >implication stand on it's own, but I'm going to come right out and say it.
They got swarmed with pedophiles.
And by the tenets of the philosophy that opened their gates to them in the first place, when anyone attacked one of those newly-rebranded 'furries' for the entirely justified reason of being a goddamn pedophile, they closed ranks and defended them. They had to, because 'they're one of us' - and those that chose not to were ostracized for not supporting the community. And to this day the furry fandom is filled to the gills with the most unpleasant, over-opinionated, socially-awkward and non-functioning members of the internet, for the simple fact that *nobody short of that would ever consider joining such a group*.
I'm not saying that Ponychan preaching peace and love is going to swarm us with pedophiles - we're a much smaller group, for starters, and built on one specific show instead of such a wide-reaching fetish. What it means is that the most socially stunted, maladjusted individuals are ending up in Ponychan (instead of FIMchan, /co/, /b/, the SA ponyschism board, or any of the other brony lairs) because Ponychan has embraced the philosophy of "we will accept you no matter what because that is what MLP is about". And because they're taking such a non-confrontational attitude, opposing voices are quickly weeded out until all that remains are the same opinions being bounced back and forth among those that are either too soft to voice their own or too maladjusted to be accepted on any other board or forum. So down they spiral.
And as the argument on /co/ and the recent raids have proven, there are those among them that are trying to drag the rest of the community down with them. And from what I've heard of the moderators of Ponychan (and this is just hearsay, and internet hearsay at that, so take it with a big ol' boulder of salt), this isn't some aberration that has just happened to sprout at Ponychan, it's a philosophy not only shared but enforced by their leadership. So chances are me getting up on my soapbox isn't going to do any good, but hey. At least I got it off my chest, and maybe, just maybe, some of the Ponychanners will read this and understand why their proselytizing is met with hostility.
@Fire.Esper
ReplyDeleteThis may be true. I'm a Brony, you a Brony. You a furry, I'm not. The furry subculture has an exceedingly negative image. It's not something I want to be lumped into.
I apologize if I came off to harshly. Why can't we all just be Bronys here? Why is being a furry such an important part, that it has to be brought here? You can be a furry in places that accept furrys. You can be a brony in places that accept MLP.
I mean, we all have our assorted interests and likes, correct? When I go and interact with other trekkies, I don't call myself a "Bronytrekker". I don't insist that other trekkies accept me parading around "I love MLP" with a barely justified MLP OC.
I just don't understand why furrys cannot leave their subculture at the door, when they decide to come interact with us not furrys.
And wow, I picked furries out of the air as the example of a spiral'd group I was most familiar with (I dabbled, in my misspent youth, and had a ladyfriend who was seriously into it way back when) and then actually read the posts before mine and found it was actually the topic at hand. Awkward.
ReplyDeleteI won't apologize to the furries discussing this for what I've said, because if you don't recognize that there's a serious problem within the heart of your community then you're either willingly blind, socially maladjusted, or, Gods forbid, one of the babyfur fetishists (or any combination thereof). But I will qualify my statement by saying that I'm not saying that O believe that all furries are maladjusted or pedophiles - just that the mores of their community have inadvertently created an environment were they thrive.
There are huge swaths of the fandom who don't share the unconditional tolerance philosophy.
ReplyDeleteneogaf: "Moderation of NeoGAF is not by committee. All decisions with regards to thread closure and movement, permanent and temporary bans, and membership issues are made by the NeoGAF administration and are final."
ponibooru: metasue
fimchan: "Friendship is Magic, but imageboards are not expected to be friendly 100% of the time or whatever. That said, please don't be a truculent jackass to the exclusion of all else."
mlponies: "The Creepy Rule. This one is God. Creepy shit is not allowed, and will be treated with zero-tolerance."
and so on. Tolerance is the exception, not the rule.
@Rainbow Dosh Please stop trying to tell furries why exactly they're scum of the world. It's not true anyway, and it's very disrespectful.
ReplyDeleteYes, they're accepting to the point of absurdity. Guess how it works out?.. Perfectly. It's one of coziest and most pleasant fandoms to be part of, always has been. If you've ever been on the inside instead of listening to stereotypes you've created... It works out about the same as every other social group there is.
"Oh no, the gay community is ruined forever" - not even kidding, you can still hear this...
And that's when it stops being about "furries", and starts being about "bronies". You'll hear - or have already heard - all these accusations, stereotypes, arguments, pigeonholing coming your way too. You'll hear over and over about how you're all social outcasts who live in your mom's basement, just like gamers did, just like hippies did, just like goths did, just like Internet users did...
If you like what FIM fandom is about right now, I honestly suggest you keep the course along the same lines, and ignore advice from what is ultimately regarded as worst part of all English-speaking Internet that can't keep itself clean or coherent for one measly day.
Hug?..
@Anonymous That's exactly it. The "image". It's just a word. Just a label. Nothing more.
And I'm not talking about just "furries". Group-identification is a problem in general, and Zeus help you if "Brony" becomes a cult requirement rather than a playful nickname.
Some personal advice. Just because I like ya'll.
@Anonymous "Unconditional" is meaningless by definition. It has nothing to do with "tolerance" as it's commonly understood.
ReplyDeleteTypically "tolerance" means not being a jerk just because other people like things you don't like. Not just for bronies.
Funny how some people go on about "creepy" and "weird" when all of us here are watching a show aimed at girls 5-8
ReplyDeleteso all of us here are creepy mo-fo's, can we shut up about it now.
you anti-furrys will be the end of us
And just what is wrong with learning morals from a kids' show? I'm not perfect, and sometimes, it's good to be reminded how I can be a better person. We, as humans, tend to fall into patterns of behavior, and it's never a bad thing to analyze yourself and note your own shortcomings. I'm not entirely innocent of saying unkind things under cover of anonymity on Ponibooru. I will not do so any more. If this open letter offended you, perhaps you should ask yourself why you object so strenuously to such an uplifting comment.
ReplyDeleteFon Shaolin spends a lot of time getting bent out of shape about this fandom ruining the show or something. Wouldn't a rational solution be to spend less than two straight hours responding to EqD comments?
ReplyDelete"For the people saying "just ignore what you don't like", I have this to say: eventually it will be EVERYTHING you don't like."
Relax. Take a hot bath. Go for a walk. People have been fans of things on the internet before. It cannot be truly moderated. It will be the same as it always is.
It won't ruin the show unless you obsess over it, which you currently seem to be doing.
@Anonymous
Are you sure you want "I enjoy shipping" to be the first thing that pops up when somebody googles Jamie Clarke, Gold Coast, Australia?
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteIt makes me wonder what people get out of watching a show that preaches tolerance, then. The Zecora episode is a fine example.
Zecora is creepy and strange, yet according to your personal rules, she should be absolutely despised by all and sundry. Except after an initial period of mild xenophobia, the ponies just--if you'll excuse me---got the hell over their petty xenophobia and befriended the zebra.
After that, they just accepted her for who she was. And even went to her for advice after the fact.
Now you shouldn't need a cartoon to teach you virtues like that, you really shouldn't. But it is right there in the show, and if your own personal values are so opposed to the show you watch, then why even watch it?
Seriously. Why even bother with it?
I love this show because it embodies the best values I've ever tried to live up to. Ethical values that actually matter. And it just seems twisted for me to watch a show which preaches tolerance, even to creepy people (Zecora) and then act upon xenophobia and prejudice instead.
It's bizarre. I don't get it. What's the draw of the show for you?
I feel it important to repeat here something I said to a filly friend of mine, who is also a part of the furry community:
ReplyDeleteThe people ranting about OMG NO THE FURRIES ARE COMING are people who have long since turned 'furry' and 'perverted pathetic freak' into synonyms in their minds. The line of thought (though it's mostly knee-jerk) seems to go like this: "I am not a perverted pathetic freak; therefore, I cannot be a furry."
Guess what, guys? You are interested in a cartoon about magical sentient talking horses. That's pretty much TEXTBOOK furry. I know you think "furry" means "a 350-pound guy who lives in mom's basement and has sex with his dog" (or with a stuffed animal, or sex in fursuits, or anonymous bareback sex at furry cons... whatever), but guess what? That isn't what "furry" means. It's just what you THINK it means.
How do you American bronies like it when people from other countries stereotype every American as a drawling, ignorant, obese, Bible-thumping Texan?
Stereotypes ain't pretty.
Let's turn this into a learning exercise. It's real simple: We are bronies because we enjoy MLP:FiM. Similarly, furries are furries because they enjoy artistic depictions of intelligent animals.
Intelligent animals.
Ponies are animals.
So, the next time you're tempted to write about OMG THOSE FURRIES, THEY RUIN EVERYTHING... look in the mirror. Surprise! You're a furry.
You haven't changed. The only thing that needs to change is your notion of what "furry" MEANS. It DOESN'T mean "loser", "pervert" or "freak". It means "someone who enjoys art of animals with human characteristics." MLP:FiM most definitely qualifies, so if you like it... well. Sorry, dude. Bronydom is a subset of furry fandom. Not all furries like ponies, and not all bronies like non-pony furries.
In any case, you guys need to quit with the furry-bashing, because what you're really doing is saying "I'm nothing like those guys!" even though [a] you have a distorted mental image of what "those guys" are like and [b] you fail to realise that the interest "those guys" maintain in, say, intelligent talking foxes differs only in species from your interest in, say, intelligent talking ponies.
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteI love how most of the people I reply to are anonymous.
Anyway.
Because it's not the way of the show, no matter what anyone says. It's not cool to have to hide what or who you are just because you're terrified of being ostracised. I was gay through the '70s, so I knew what that felt like, and it wasn't a lot of fun. I wonder if a lot of the problem is that people are young. I don't know.
No one wants to have to hide what they are ore fear being ostracised. To note the Zecora episode again, that's exactly what that was about. Exactly. I mean, she wasn't unethical, or horrible, she was just strange and a bit creepy. She wasn't a jerk. But she felt she had to hide her appearance because of a bunch of xenophobic ponies.
The show pointed out that xenophobia is the most undesirable, hateful construct of the modern psyche, and that the vast majority of people are ethical, even if some of them are a bit odd. But being a bit odd isn't a good reason to force them to hide their oddness, because that oddness could be glorious, it could be creative, it could be something that we want to see.
But just because they're a bit odd, we should hate on them, be xenophobic, and force them to hide their true nature. Yes, that sounds like what the show is telling us.
Seriously, look up xenophobia and realise why it's a bad thing.
If someone is doing something unethical then I'm going to stand by you and stop it from happening because it's an injustice, but in order for that to happen, they have to be causing suffering to a sentient being (I'll come back to this). If they're not causing anyone to suffer and they're having fun, then I'll be damned if I'll be a xenophobic, unethical arsehole and take their joy away.
That might be you. But it's not me.
Now, I mentioned sentient. I don't know if you remember Star Trek: The Next Generation, but that taught us a great number of lessons too. Go look up The Measure of a Man on Youtube. It not only explains what sentience is, but it also explains how Data is the same as everyone else despite being different.
The one thing we should get behind is injustices. Yes. And frankly I don't see furries being responsible for a lot of injustices. I don't see them raping people, or being paedophiles, though when they are I'll hate the individual for it, but they're the minority. Just like these people are the minority of ANY culture. You'll get a minority of these people in the brony community too, and they won't be furries.
But what I do see is a majority of people being responsible for hate crimes. It doesn't matter how small or petty they are, they're still hate crimes, and that's horribly unethical.
Seriously, the ponies would be ashamed of you.
So very, very ashamed.
I get it. It's the community that's the problem. If there is no community to corrupt, there won't be any flame wars to start. Quick everyone concentrate on what you hate about the fan base. Once you remind yourself of all the things you hate about it. Going to 4chan won't seem so bad and you'll end the fandom on a high note. Everypony wins!!!
ReplyDelete"Furry" is just a word. It's very broad. It's not real.
ReplyDelete"Brony" is just a word. It's very vague. It doesn't exist.
Neither does "trekkie", "emo", "gamer", "geek", "/co/mrade", or anything else. It's an abstraction.
They're only vague labels. Not cults. Not religions. Not even groups of people. If you try to reconcile the differences between things that don't even exist, you're in for a painful ride.
We may be divided
But of you all, I beg
To remember we're all hoofed
At the end of each leg
Just my couple more cents.
Ya gotta share.
ReplyDeleteYa gotta care.
@Purple Tinker
ReplyDeleteThank you for saying what I've been wanting to say but haven't because I'm rather drama-averse.
I try really hard not to push fandoms (whether furry or pony) on anyone, as it makes them resent the fandom. But since people are attacking us they've sort of lost the right to bitch about us commenting.
Furries are awesome.
Bronies are awesome.
I hope we can stop bickering and just go back to enjoying what enjoy. And new ponies are only 94 minutes away, so there will be much to enjoy today!
@Purple Tinker
ReplyDelete@DuskWolf
@Fire.Esper
Well said.
@Purple Tinker
ReplyDeleteI'll try to be gentle. Not everything in the world is a subset of the furry fandom. There are plenty of bronies who do not "enjoy art of animals with human characteristics" in the general sense that you imply. These bronies enjoy this particular show solely on its own merits and will be kicking the franchise to the curb as soon as those qualities disappear (probably when G5 rolls around.) These bronies may also enjoy specific aspects of the fandom (such as derpy) on its own merits but wash their hands of the rest, because the appeal isn't talking horses, it's a case-by-case value judgment: does this particular thing make me laugh?
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteYou're missing the point. BY DEFINITION, bronies enjoy "art of animals with human characteristics", because bronies enjoy MLP:FiM, and MLP:FiM is "art of animals with human characteristics" (specifically, ponies).
That doesn't mean that bronies are obligated to enjoy OTHER art of "animals with human characteristics" (or, as the general overarching term for such creatures, "furries").
A furry fan who likes foxes is under no obligation to like skunks.
A brony who likes only ponies is under no obligation to like art of ANY other animal.
I can accept you for who you are, but I am not obliged to accept all of your actions. Nor am I obliged to change who I am any more than you are obliged to change who you are.
ReplyDeleteIf you can't understand why flooding a group with something they do not want to see might be considered rude, then I suggest you go look up the definition of "bully."
• A blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.
There's a lot of things that are relevant to my interests that are not relevant to ponies, like transhumanism, post singularity economics, the physics of interstellar travel and black holes. I can understand why people would be upset if they were looking for ponies and had to regularly wade through all of that in the process.
Normally, when I come across something that bothers me I try to let it slide and move on, but it wouldn't kill you to reciprocate a little bit and try not to put stuff that makes some people uncomfortable anywhere and everywhere.
It is about being considerate of others and not being a mean old meanie pants.
So, you're right-- not everything is a subset of furrydom. Anime fandom, for instance, is not. However, being a fan of an animated show about sentient ponies is, by the most common and most basic definition, "furry".
ReplyDeleteDeny all you want, but it wasn't us conventional furry fans who brought up the "OH NOES TEH FURRY" issue. It was a bunch of anti-furry trolls/neighsayers/parasprites, together with a crowd of generally insecure bronies (most/all of which probably were/are 4channers).
We aren't "forcing our fandom on you". You've always been a part of the fandom-- a very specific niche within the fandom (i.e. one that likes ponies instead of, say, foxes or skunks or whateverthehell)-- you just have never realised it. But when you start badmouthing furries at large, you step over a line into "severely hypocritical" territory, and that's when it comes time for us to stand up and point that out.
So, that said:
You like the anthropomorphised talking animals you like.
I like the anthropomorphised talking animals I like.
Neither you nor I are horrible living stereotypes.
We can all get along and enjoy this show together.
So... chillax, everypony. It's Pony Friday. Be happy.
Also... NOPONY, and I mean NOPONY, is defending the idea of flooding the fandom with stuff that everypony would hate. I'm certainly not. I think the whole idea is a strawman (strawpony?).
ReplyDeleteAnon 9:34 here.
ReplyDeleteI think even just saying that bronies enjoy art of ponies with human characteristics is painting with too broad a brush. There are plenty of cracks about how awful most interpretations of that theme really are. One need only look at the comics and discussions about hasbro and G3.5, or the snarky edits and comments on various imageboards, or the many conversion stories beginning with "I expected this to be as bad as all those other talking pony shows, but was surprised to see that this show was able to overcome that handicap."
What is ironic about some of the hate is half the drawfriend art everyone ogles over are done by furfans just using their DA accounts (you see the same art posted on FA), and they don't realize it.
ReplyDeleteThat and every problem someone has about clopfic, OCs, shipping, adult art, etc, etc. all those things would all still happen even if furry never existed because at least half the folks to do that here have nothing to do with "furry" to begin with.
I'm leaving this whole "Brony" fandom now. It used to be cool and about the ponies, but when the furries show up in arms, it's over. We've become a subset of the furrys if we want or not.
ReplyDeleteI am positive I will get plenty of "Well go away nobody wanted you around". Likely though I'm not the only one. I'm just one to speak up.
Hey furrys, do explain this though. Why does the population of the furry sex MUSH outnumber the furry social MUSH 3 to 1? If it's not all about sex those numbers should be reversed.
Nice troll.
ReplyDeleteAnyways, there's a very good reason why the furry sex MUCK is bigger than the furry social MUCK: All the new-school furries don't use MUCKs any more. They use IRC, Second Life, and websites like FurAffinity. Only us old farts use MUCKs any more. Me, I mostly sit on FurryMUCK and banter about Unix and politics. Not exactly "yiffy".
Man, I can't believe this is still going. Oh well, at least someone finally (or again) pointed out the hypocrisy of bronies hating on furries.
ReplyDeleteYeah. 'Your fandom for anthropomorphic foxes is AWFUL. My fandom for anthropomorphic ponies, on the other hoof, is WONDERFUL."
ReplyDeleteI really dislike the notion that just because one identifies as a furry, means that one automatically accepts that babyfur cub art pedophile bullshit and welcomes it with open arms. PUKE. If one of those babyfur guys tried to hug me I would not hesitate to punch him in the nuts at hard as I could, I HATE that shit and won't hesitate to call it just what it is: SICKENING.
ReplyDeleteFor that matter, I also have a strongly visceral aversion to watersports, fatfurs, hyper, herms, and inflation, which is probably about 40% of fandom art right there. I'm just sort of trapped from VOICING said aversions most of the time because that stuff technically isn't illegal (not to mention that it's pure fantasy, so it's physically impossible in most cases).
But I'm still (unfortunately) a furry because I can't find another term to describe someone who likes cartoon animals BUT NOT ALL THAT OTHER SHIT. And I know I'm not the only one.
So I think this is where a lot of the hostility is coming from: furs who aren't part of the "weird stuff" that UNDERSTANDABLY turns a lot of people off, but literally have no other way to describe themselves because there IS no other term for someone who likes cartoon animals. And you know what, we're GODDAMN tired of getting lumped with the weird fetishists and sickos.
What do you propose that WE do??? Cut all ties? Invent a new word for ourselves? It's harder than you think, because no matter how you try to explain it, it always comes back to that raised eyebrow and "so, what you're saying is, you're a FURRY?" *mildly disgusted look*
I don't want that disgusting crap to ruin pony either, but I'm NOT going to sit and let myself get blamed for ruining it by association with them. If you want to do that, FUCK YOU. Point the finger WHERE IT BELONGS, not at a big faceless group of people you don't know and have never met. General furries aren't the problem, it's FETISHISTS that are! I know they garner the most attention, but judging all furries by these people is like judging every musician by just looking at the loudest, weirdest ones, like Lady Gaga, and then assuming that all musicians love and support Gaga just because they wear the label of
"musician" too. That's not fucking fair and it doesn't make a damn bit of sense!
Perhaps the point of the predicament is prejudice.
ReplyDeletePoignant pornography produced by phurries does not preclude the possibility of perversion of the pony phandom. Put the paranoia in a place that doesn't provoke pressure or division of the petty kind.
What the shit. I can't even post about the difficulty that some furries even have with the LABEL of furry because it gets hidden/baleeted.
ReplyDeleteFine. In a nutshell:
Would you judge all musicians by drama-llama weirdos like Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Kanye West, Kiss, or Madonna, even though they're popular?
No?
Then DON'T DO IT TO FURRIES, if only because those of us who aren't perverts are unable to rid ourselves of the furry label, however we try. Fetishists and perverts are "popular" in furry fandom but they're NOT the be all and end all. I will laugh in your face if you try to equate Beethoven with Gaga, srsly. They have "music" (and maybe a penchant for wigs) in common. That's all.
I assure you, some of us find cub art/babyfurs/whatever fetish JUST AS DISGUSTING as you do. Whatever you happen to think, "furry" doesn't mean "pervert". It means someone who likes anthropomorphic animals. That's ALL. Go blame the perverted fetishy furries for ruining things, not ALL furries.
BTW Not saying anyone who likes this show is a furry. I think MLP and furry certainly have some overlap, but overlap =/= "subset of".
-- another Brony who doesn't want Pony ruined by the stereotype pervert furry, but doesn't want to get slapped with the same "Ruiner of all good things" label as them
Well, I'm a furry, and I'd LIKE to think that the things I've done in/for this community qualify me as not being a 'ruiner of all good things'.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous @11:29am
ReplyDelete"I'm leaving this whole "Brony" fandom now. It used to be cool and about the ponies,"
Huh, last time I checked the ponies are still there, so why leave?
So, the simple fix for all this.
ReplyDeleteFurries: Leave your fetish at the door when you walk in the Brony house. Respect the fandom as it is, and don't label yourself a "furry Brony". Just be a Brony like everyone else, and let it stand on it's own merits.
Not Furries: Respect the fact that furries who are also Bronies are not here to "take over". Everyone has differing interests, and there's no need to go pull furry witch hunts.
Message to the entire furry community:
Could you guys please hold back on glomming into other fandoms? I know *YOU* furry reading this aren't, but every time you define yourself as "Furry + another fandom", you drag that fandom under your furry umbrella. Once enough people do that, then that fandom falls under the furry label.
Non Furry Brony community:
OK guys, leave the furrys alone. If they respect our boundaries, we can respect theirs. You may know someone is into hardcore transvestite ageplay snuff furry, but if they leave it at the door, they are welcome. If you have issue with the way a specific Brony is behaving, take it up with them. No more painting with the broad brush.
Never going to understand the hate of OCs.
ReplyDeleteI think my final stance on this is going to play out like this...
ReplyDeleteThe show supports tolerance even of that which is strange and alien, and pans unethical approaches like xenophobia. The show itself has tried to explain this to people more than a few times.
This blog supports tolerance and understands that people are different, and that providing they're not doing anything unethical, there's no rational reason to say anything bad about them. We've had enough of that throughout history, we should be mature enough to be better than that.
People who have issues with pathological sociopathy are going to continue hating on anything they perceive different, and it's not just furries they likely hate but they're probably going to have other hate issues as well. I know I've poked my fair share of furry haters only to find out that they can have extreme hatreds in other respects, too (such as white supremacy).
At the end of the day... haters are going to hate.
But that doesn't mean that the rest of us have to fall into that mess. I see haters like haters see furry perverts, I see them as the people who'll drag this community down and ruin it with their hateful nonsense, they'll divide us, and help to prove once again that hate is why we can't have nice things.
But we don't all have to be like that. I know not all of you like that, and I know that some of you don't have hate issues. I know some of you will never have entertained thoughts along those lines, and I know that some of you will be able to accept people for whatever they are; gamers, otaku, bronies, furries, therians, otherkin, whatever. Because you're too cool for hate.
And that's good enough for me.
Haters are always going to hate. One day they may wake up from that hatred but for the meantime I can ignore them, and the rest of the world will be here for them when they snap out of it. Not sure what's driven some people to hate like that, but I actually have sympathy, it must have been harsh.
Not that I haven't been through my fair share of crap, myself.
I think the majority of us can agree though that it doesn't matter what any of us are, this is a great show about ponies and we all like it. This is perhaps the first large conglomeration of people where we can all come together and do that without hating.
Furries won't ruin that. Hate will.
Let's not ruin that.
@DuskWolf
ReplyDeleteHi there DuskWolf. I'm going to be as polite as possible, but I'm going to deconstruct your argument. Tolerance and understanding from someone with differing viewpoints.
Paragraph 1: So, show perspective on the parasprites? That was pretty xenophobic, they got mind controlled right out of town.
2: Ethics are subjective. I consider the following unethical: Having kids, being a soldier, and eating meat. your definition of ethical may vary.
3: This is a strawman. To start, there's no such thing as "pathological sociopathy". A sociopath, now known as Antisocial Personality Disorder, is defined as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood.". Someone not liking your chosen fetish is not a sociopath. Attempting to link "I don't like furries" with racist movements is also a fallacy.
3: This is your opinion, you are welcome to it.
4: This is an example of bandwagoning. You are assuming that a majority of people are agreeing with you because they aren't speaking up. Cognitive fallacy.
5: I agree, it's a great show about ponies. Lets leave it just like that. Ponies. Not furries.
Hate will not ruin a fandom. Outside perceptions that scare off new members will ruin a fandom.
I'm just posting to say;
ReplyDeleteI, too, have noticed how this community has headed, but I know that through it all, no matter how many people get their pants in a wad over things they don't like or understand or don't want to be "lumped in together with", I know that overall we're still a great group of people who I've loved sharing this community with. And I know that, largely, no matter what happens, it's gonna stay that way; I've met far too many awesome, really truly awesome people for that to ever change, as long as this community exists.
Love and brohoofs.
After nearly 700 posts what I am going to say will probably go unnoticed, but I haven't seen this viewpoint brought up yet so I might as well toss in my two cents.
ReplyDeleteA fandom is like a body. A healthy body has multiple parts (two legs, two arms, a torso, etc.) and our fandom is like that. There is /co/, there is /b/, there is fimchan, there is this site, and I am sure there are many others I am not aware of.
A healthy body keeps things that should stay separate from mixing with each other. The blood stays in the circulatory system, the food stays in the digestive track, etc. If our fandom is healthy things that should not mix will either stay apart or mix only where they are supposed to. An example from this site would be that only SFW things are posted here and places are provided for things that are NSFW, but there are also places where both are acceptable.
The parts of a healthy body are also connected to each other, if not always directly (the arm attaches directly to the shoulder, and through that to the rest of the body). A healthy fandoms gives information about other parts of the fandom. I am almost certain that this site either provides links to, or at least info about, sites dedicated to NSWF material and sites dedicated to OC and roleplay.
A healthy body also has a skin thick enough to withstand most of the damage it takes from the outside and to keep out threats. If our fandom is healthy it should be able to withstand a majority of trolling attempts no matter what kind of trolling it may be.
A healthy body also has a competent immune system to destroy or render harmless any threats that make it past the skin or that arise from within the body itself. At the same time however the immune system must stay within limits or the body get an autoimmune disease (the immune system attacks the body it should be protecting). If our fandom is healthy it should be able to react efficiently against both trolls and Chris Chans, to use examples from both ends of the spectrum. However, care should be taken that our fandom's immune system does not over react to good natured ribbing or discourage new members that wouldn't be detrimental to the fandom from joining.
TL;DR: A healthy fandom is like a healthy body. Parts work together, don't damage each other, and the body fights off disease.
And now something that has been brought up more times than I could count. People have an issue with furries. I believe part of this comes from confusion over what people mean when they say furry and how many bad furries there are for every good furry. Just for fun because no one is still actually reading by this point I will go ahead and try to give definitions.
Furry: A person that enjoys any kind of art or media that features anthropomorphic characters simply because of the fact that it features anthropomorphic characters.
Weirdo (in this case referring to someone that could be described as a furry by my definition above): Someone that takes their love of anthropomorphic artwork, media, and/or characters to the point where it radically affects their lifestyle and/or their interactions with others. Someone that will post inappropriate images in places where they are not meant to be posted. Someone that either creates drama intentionally or adds to any existing drama. Someone that reacts to dislike of what they do as a personal insult. Etc.
TL;DR: Furries enjoy anthro art of both SFW and NSFW types but don't make a big deal about or start bunches of drama. Weirdos are the "stereotypical internet furries" that cause drama and make poorly drawn NSFW work of their OCS and actual characters.
This next part is complete assumption. For every X amount of weirdos in a fandom there are Y amount of furries in that same fandom. X and Y are both real numbers greater than 0 and Y > X. The words Furry and Weirdo both use the definitions listed previously.
TL;DR: There are probably more furries than weirdos.
Sorry for any spelling and grammar errors.
What the hay 738 replies O.o
ReplyDeleteI'm at the end. I'm at the end! Oh man, I had something I wanted to say. What was it now? It may have been mostly covered by anonymous, anonymous, anonymous, Ewyndall, and a couple others, but I'mma [sic?] say it anyway:
ReplyDelete1. Do not feed the parasprites.
2. Do NOT feed the parasprites.
3. Do not AVOID feeding the parasprites.
4. Do NOT avoid feeding the parasprites (because then they'll eat your town).
5. Grab your instruments and play the parasprites home.
Trying to herd a fandom is a losing battle. With good content, the community will do fine. Don't like the content being generated? Make better content or politely ask others to make stuff you do like.
I'm not a fan of shipping or anthropomorphic roleplaying. The only time I dressed up as an animal it was as "Elmer the Safety Elephant" (Canada Safety Council mascot, long story, it was for a good cause). I'm also not a Marxist, or a redhead, or a smoker, but I would have no objection to watching and discussing MLP episodes with redheaded commie smokers (provided smoke doesn't travel over the internet). Yeah, if RedCommieBlaze turns out to be a jerk/troll/etc then I'll fall back on the ignore/banhammer/internet-business-as-usual plan.
In conclusion, don't worry about it. Everything is fine, now go mix some video.
PS: A thread about trolling is a terrible place to be posting Real Names and Contact Info. Seriously kids, don't do this.
OMFG LOOK A STARWARS FAN, HE MUST BE A NERD!
ReplyDeletewhy because ALL people who like star wars are nerds, not true? BS ALL STARWARS FANS ARE NERD.
INFACT ALL PEOPLE WHO USE COMPUTERS AND VIDEO GAMES ARE NERDS!
and people only retards make that statement, so only retards will call MLP fans furrys.
so, fuck what retards think and just like the show, does it matter that the internet troll calls you a furry when your not?
no it doesn't, so if you really think been called a furry is bad then you better leave now.
I hate all of you.
ReplyDeleteway to go Brony!
ReplyDeleteAnd it's easy to love everyone when you have such a love of life, Life=Awesome!
>It's a place for love and tolerance
ReplyDeleteTell that to PONY9000 since they have a serious problem with tolerating unpopular opinions and even softcore human 34.
@Jack Pipsam
ReplyDeleteas a star wars fan and a brony I support this comment
I still hope everyone who has made MLP into their own personal emotional crutch kills themselves.
ReplyDeleteIs this all relevant considering the different fanbases this show has reached? I mean seriously if you're a Brony you're Brony. Dividing the fandom into different subtypes just results in in fighting seen here. Personally I think comments should be disabled as this is just people repeating themselves over and over again resulting in an endless cycle. Personally I think the fandom direction varies from site to site.
ReplyDeleteTL;DR Bronies are Bronies Fillies are Fillies Doesn't make sense to sub type.
I love how the trolls come out in force when something like this comes out:
ReplyDelete"Don't hate! rally together!"
"but.. but... hate! hatehatehate!"
I lol'd at many parts of this.
Peace and Love, bronies. <3 you all ^w^
I am adding to the post count, for I am an attention-faggot! CB
ReplyDeleteWhat a piece of writing, and what a bunch of comments. I'm just going to put my two bits in here, because this topic is too interesting to ignore.
ReplyDeleteI get what Fon Shaolin is saying. I get what Esper is saying. But seriously, why can't we just take the message of the letter, and, heck, of the show to heart? If you don't like it, nobody's forcing you to participate or look at it. I enjoy the show. I enjoy some shipping. Personally, I'm not a furry.
But I get why people are.
If I had to pick one thing that resonated most with me in the original letter, it's the bit about hypocrisy. This fandom is based around toleration. I mean, we're matured people liking a show designed for children, simply because we like it. And if that isn't tolerance, I don't know what is. So if we can't tolerate people who share different opinions or enjoy different aspects of the fandom, what's the point of it at all?
I'll end with a naive, childish statement.
Why can't we all just get along?
Kim Sims, female brony, Ben Sims's kid sister. No lie.
ReplyDeleteI love this show I love this show I love this show.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why we're all here?
EVERYPONY CHILL THE TOOT OUT
ReplyDeleteI GOT THIS
http://bit.ly/loveandtolerance
@MyLittleBrony
ReplyDeleteI see you, MyLittleBrony, and I raise you to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc
A sad, sad fate should the ponies not learn to put aside the hatred that has followed from all corners of the universe itself...
ReplyDeleteI'm glad to see there are so much bronies out there that really appreciate such things as friendship and tolerance and try to keep cynism, hate and flamewars out of this place.
ReplyDeleteBig parts of todays society are coldhearted. I'm a brony not only because of the show, but because of the community, too: People like Esper, marc and bibo are what makes me being addicted to FiM even more. Thank you all, my fellow bronies <3
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteIt is surely impossible to exstinct hatred, but all you need is to free yourself from it and find some other people that think like you. As long as there is pure love and tolerance, the hatred hasn't won.
With this being said, hugs for everypony <3
Since the comments approach critical TL:DR, and the Letter is already there, a summation:
ReplyDeleteLetter: LOVE EVERYONE! TOLERATE EVERYONE! JUDGE NO-ONE! I AM A FURRY!
Concerned Guy: "Yeah, uh, fellas? Loving one another is fine and all, but let's not let the MLP fandom turn into a subset of the furry fandom by being tolerant to a fault of the freaks and creeps of the world like the furries usually are, ok?"
Furfag 1: @ Concerned Guy: Don't be a troll you fursecutionist!
Concerned Guy: @ Furfag 1: No, look, I don't mind shipping or whatever, it's when you make it all about porn and original characters rather than about the show itself that I begin to see the fandom going down a dark path.
Furfag 1: @ Concerned Guy: Don't fursecute us, you little hater, that stuff you speak of shall not happen.
Furfag 2: @ Concerned Guy: * Posts picture of original character fucking a pony *
So hey, I enjoy cartoons about talking animals and I love ponies! What is the discussion abou...oh.
ReplyDeleteOh.
@Anonymous 11:14
ReplyDeleteYou're a racist. Shut up you racist, what you just posted was a hate crime. Furries deserve equal rights, and that means they should be allowed to overrun your MLP fandom with porn. If you say they should knock it off you're a nazi. Why don't you just go kiss Hitler you nazi, because telling someone not to draw porn of a little girls so is BIGOTRY, like gassing Jews.
you people need to go read this, like...yesterday.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html
I think we should consider ourselves a humble group that welcomes all under its wings. As for the furries, I don't really mind them, but we should consider ourselves separate to them in certain ways so we are not considered as sick deranged people to the less understanding people making the MLP series. We should simply state, we just like the cartoon as it is well written, funny and heartwarming. It is one of the few shows on TV that we are happy to see take the place of some older 90s programs. I'm not hating on furries, and I am not one if you really needed to know that. I'm just saying some people don't understand their ways, better safe than sorry.
ReplyDeleteThe only fallacy I see in evidence here is the fallacy that furries are all walking talking stereotypes who want to post horrible fetish smut and ruin the fandom. Again, I'm a furry. Want to see what furries will contribute to the fandom? Look at purpletinker.deviantart.com and see for yourself.
ReplyDelete... I disagree with a lot of what he says. Friendship is Magic, but there are limits- I'm sure I'm not the only person here who agrees that furries are killing the show and lowering the tone significantly, as are certain shipping stories. As a faggot, I don't really have a problem with tongue-in-cheek homophobia either- it can actually be pretty funny most times. :)
ReplyDelete@Purple Tinker
ReplyDeleteYou, sir, are the cancer that is killing pony. Just go away.
Might as well say it's OK to hire a child molester for a daycare, because he's good with kids.
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteMr. Anonymous Troll... Do you even know what I have contributed to this fandom? (Hint: It isn't cancer.)
(Just a tiny tiny hint: I made this and this and this and this and this and this, plus a bunch of other goodies. You'll notice no smut or anthro stuff among my contributions.)
ReplyDeleteSo... yeah. To say you're making an ass of yourself is a gross understatement. I'm one of the most well-known contributors to this fandom, and you-- you are just an anonymous troll telling me I'm cancer because I self-identify as furry. So begone.
Whoah.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to vote that this thread is doing more harm than good and should probably be deleted.
That's just my opinion. It's not accomplishing anything but unnecessary ire.
@zorinlynx
ReplyDeleteToo true mate. I just got done reading the letter and expected everyone to come out saying "Friendship IS magic!" and stuff like that.
Ignore the trolls.
Be kind and warm to one another.
Be friends forever~ <3
...
Then I read the comments.
It's sad how a few people start out applauding this and trying to spread the "lets not fight, lets love and get along" thing (which is the good part), and then people like Fon Shaolin and angrytigerp start coming in and raging about how this should be a more strict fandom, keeping out all the people they didn't want to try to accept and tolerate.
Do they miss the whole point of the letter?
Or of the SHOW they are fans over?
This isn't some mainstream media show like Naruto or Bleach, or some sort of group like Transformer Beast-wars Fighters or something of the sort that is quite strict about the contents.
Yes, this show is about ponies, but the lessons it tries the most to get out is love, acceptance, friendship, kindness, and tolerance.
Some people need to realize that.
Just got linked to this by an amused friend, and what makes me laugh about the "keep furries out" thing is that from where I stand, *you're all furries.*
ReplyDeleteI agree that this shouldn't become a 'furry' fandom.
ReplyDeleteThat way we can assign blame for the egregious Rule 34s to come to the proper parties, instead of whipping up some nebulous boogeyman and acting like TSA agents.
I also find it hilarious that an admitted shipping fan is getting his panties in such a wad over this. Better call the glass man, you're gonna need a new house.
Relatively new to bronydom. Casual furry. Uncomfortable with homosexuality because I don't understand it, but I'm content to let people do their own thing.
ReplyDeleteI think this guy's awesome. I don't bother with online fandoms BECAUSE of all the hate and division pervading everything. This show's morality shouldn't be teaching any of us but it makes a nice reminder of things. I'd really like it if I could be a serious fan of at least one thing that wasn't seriously fractured by internal divisions. If you don't support something, ignore it. 'snot that hard. There seem to be enough sites in this that different categories of the fandom will congregate around different areas. Just don't go around stirring up trouble please.
I thoroughly enjoyed this. It makes me want to start something with my life. Not just this letter, but everyone here; you're all awesome.
ReplyDeleteThank you bronies.
@zorinlynx
ReplyDeleteI agree. There will be as many opinions as many people there are out there, and that's fine. The trick is to learn how to 'live and let live' because it's really fine to dislike something and disagree from time to time- it just shouldn't form any extreme frontiers between people. Besides: this is the internet, avoiding things and people you don't like is really easy.
As an anthro art enthusiast (I don't see 'furry' as a lifestyle, or a subculture or whatever, just art style and stylistic preference), I too am kind of ugh (and sometimes very UGH) about some of the things the fandom produces (not a fan of Rule34 at all)...but come on. It doesn't hurt anybody, and it certainly doesn't hurt the show. In the end: they are just lines on paper and pixels on your monitor, no need to waste your hate on them.
This is still going on?
ReplyDeleteCripes that's a lot of posts in about 24 hours... And the vast majority seem to be pseudo-trolling and/or argumentative facts about whether diverse batches of other fandoms as a whole will ruin the brony fandom... Yep, I'd say it's time to leave this alone and get some work done, ignoring the "parasprites" as it were and just enjoying the show for itself. Only way to get this coal-mine fire to stop burning is to seal up the entrance and hope it puts itself out eventually... Hopefully.
ReplyDeleteDoes this guy know he's on the internet? EVERYWHERE there are haters and trolls and such. They're not exclusive to "bronydom".
ReplyDeleteLate to the party, as usual. And at almost 800 replies, chances are nobody is going to see this, but I'm gonna post, anyway.
ReplyDeleteI was part of a handful people who pretty much started furry fandom back in the early 1980s. Back then, it was just people who were fans of cartoon animals, just like there are people who call themselves "bronies" because they like a certain animated TV series. Without going into too much boring detail, I'll just say that in the years since then, certain aspects of furry fandom have developed that we never would have imagined, let alone endorsed. Unfortunately, those negative aspects of the fandom, and the minority of furries associated with them, tend to get the most attention.
And that's too bad, because Bronies and Furries have much in common and should be natural allies. It is no accident that some of the best Pony fanart comes from the furry "community." And the kind of furry who is attracted to MLP:FiM is probably the kind of furry who would reject the more extreme aspects of either fandom.
Something to think about for those brave souls who made it to the bottom of this discussion.
@Tim_Kangaroo: This. A thousand times this.
ReplyDeleteWell if being a fan of all things furry means I must be excluded from here according to some people. Then I'll have to join and get involved just to spite them.
ReplyDelete@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeleteHow so, that really makes no sense. It's like saying Star Wars fans ruin star wars for everyone else.
@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeleteWeirdo is pretty subjective. I guess normal is all you can be right, white, married to the opposite sex, and watch football.
@angrytigerp
ReplyDeleteWell said. There is a point where you can take things to seriously. However I do see difference between trying to spread a message because of the show, as oppose to using the show to spread a message. I do think most people fall into category two, and the people who fall in the first is so obscure and irrelevant it hardly needs mentioning beyond here.
I only say this because I've been to comic cons, furry cons (a lot of furry cons) I may have a list of people that I avoid, don't like, but the true scum, and idiots I keep hearing about for the past three years like the ones you are referring to, I may have ran into maybe four (or I instinctively avoid them) but they can't function much outside the internet it seems, if they even come out at all to public.
@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeleteSo that's what caused the tsunami!
@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeleteNothing wrong with liking starfox or sonic no matter what types of people are involved. The question you should ask yourself is why do you let other people affect you so much? You sound like a person who likes a band until they make a music video and sell millions of records.
@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeletepeople creating original content based around a show they like! How dare they be creative with someone else's style! When has this happened The world will surely come to an end. I'm sorry you're just becoming so amusing, like you're a whinny little child. You're basically saying you can only be a fan of what is already there and to hell with ye if you try to make something for yourself to have fun and maybe even express yourself a little.
@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeleteSuch a profit! The irony that is going on here with you talking a bout drama is so juicy.
@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeletecry
ever think it's both and that it will apply to every human with a pulse and that i a fan?
@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeletefuck you, I'm a lemur!
@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeleteSays the overseer of the internet and fandoms around the world.
@Jack Pipsam
ReplyDeleteI'd say that's about as bad as it could ever get. It's starting to sound like "I used to like sonic but then people became fans of it, and then making their own characters and now I hate it
*cry*"
Yeah because Darkspeeds on deviantart with his original cast of characters and comics he sells out of that are obviously inspired by sonic are really so terrible. *sarcasm*
@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeletehere ya go http://darkspeeds.deviantart.com/
This guy makes his own cast of characters, setting and world and is obviously inspired by and a big fan of sonic.
The letter is a long-winded "Me me me!" piece that doesn't say antying that hasn't been said a thousand times over. It's an ego trip. It's unoriginal but everyone had to to eat it up and pretend it was a sudden flash of divine wisdom.
ReplyDeleteDrama.
There will always be people who only want to troll, and there will always be people who enjoy egging the trolls on under the guise of "defending us." And there will always be people who enjoy whining about how we should all be able to get along.
You can learn to skim and move on or you can go to some forum. You can't make 4chan threads follow your own rules.
Grin. You do realise that if you do an analysis of the content of these posts, Fon Shaolin is the one doing 90 percent of the arguing. Most other people agree with the letter, as do I.
ReplyDeleteMy mental spam filter has set anything said by Foin Shaolin to and I suggest everypony else does too. But then you shouldn't take my advice, I'm one of the furries that is ripping... RIPPING... the fandom apart for my own twisted pleasure. At least from Fon Shaolin's POV.
I am Andrew Langhammer, a 38 year old software engineer from Liverpool, also known as Stainless Steel Fox, and I am a furry. And My Little Pony FiM has reminded me of things I'd forgotten.
Is this argument valid? MLP transcends demographics of all kinds is it necessary to worry who's part of what and who's a fan of what? All I know is that this show is a HIT and will continue to be a hit for years to come. Season Ends Friday everypony,Let's all enjoy it.
ReplyDeleteHey guys, the actual TV show, the one we like? It's not covered in hate, OC, furry, or whatever it is you think is "killing the community".
ReplyDeleteIt's a series of 20 minute animations featuring talking cartoon ponies who go on slice-of-life adventures with a bit of epic fantasy sprinkled here and there. You worry about the hate and trolls and hypocrisy, so why immerse yourselves in it? You know who your friends are, right? Surely you've made some. They're the ones who you can talk to about ponies and how funny and cute they are, and however far your fandom extends, plain and simple. Hold on to them and the show, and sod all the rest. Anonymity makes hate too easy to spread, and there is no stopping it. So don't try to grasp this impossibly huge community and keep it in order according to your own personal vision; that's where all this infighting is coming from.
You my good sir have proven what I have been trying to put out there for ages. FTR (For The Record) I am also 21, a male and i lurve MLP:FiM
ReplyDeleteAll hail Princess Celestia
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteThis is exactly what happened. This is pretty much the entire reason all the drama started. But of course the furries won't accept that they did anything wrong.
Begone, troll.
ReplyDeleteOh wow guys whats with this idea that furries ruin fandoms. :/ (Leaving out a bunch of comments on that matter). This whole thing is annoying me since well, a lot of the people who are drawing them for this fandom don't even /think/ of themselves as 'furries'. They are drawing it because, I dunno, the main characters are ponies.
ReplyDeleteBesides which it's not like the Internet spawned the idea of anthropomorphic animals out of some black ooze. Most people are introduced to the idea as children in cartoons. And just because some people draw them that doesn't mean that they are automatically any more sexualized then anything else.
Come on guys lets just breathe deep and stop being paranoid.
I'm both a brony and furry-lover since before I was 1-year old. Thank the 1982 My Little Pony movie (starring Firefly) for that. Sad to say, it was furry-haters that prevented me from joining Equestria Daily many months ago until now. If you're really a true brony, and if you understand the pain felt by Princess Luna and Zecora because the other ponies dislike them for their differences, then you would do you best to tolerate and respect the differences, individualism, creativity and interests of others. If you HATE someone for liking something that you dislike, and shower them with your HATRED, then you are NOT a brony. Have you forgotten the true meaning of The Elements Of Harmony? Don't you understand the message in the rainbow (or Rainbow Dash's mane for that matter)? It's UNITY in DIVERSITY which made bronies come together and has kept them together. Hating diversity will only create disunity. Without unity, no harmony. No harmony, no friendship. And if you lose friendship, you will lose the magic.
ReplyDeleteWhat's especially hilarious is that this whole thread, with all its drama, started because some trolls started to stir up horse-apples about what furries MIGHT DO to the fandom, based off of... a hoodie. A freaking hoodie. I mean, seriously?
ReplyDelete@Anonymous This sums it up now can someone get this post closed already?
ReplyDeleteThis is all getting fairly redundant... can we move on please?
ReplyDeleteI applaud you Ben. If I ever meet you in real life, you will have a friend.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteBut does it have to be? Sure it's a thing on 4chan, but does it have a place here?
Not really. This community is about 50/50 anons and Furries from what I've seen, and Bronies and Furries are both Cancer in the eyes of anonymous. If you want to cling to your "anon" perception of cancer, just be aware that you're calling yourself cancer as well.
Alternatively, look at it this way: the Furry community has years of experience dealing with the Trolls, and quite a few good artists, both visual and musical. More OC will help make the next 6 ponyless months more enjoyable.
For those of you that RP, Furries generally have good experience rping, so unlike me - I have zero RPing ability - they can jump in and contribute immediately. I'd be a dead weight.
They're contributing to the community. That's what it comes down to: They're contributing, probably even more than us anons are.
I'm not a furry. I don't partake in shipping, rp, or any of that, and yet I welcome everypony. You can call Furries "cancer" all you like, but chances are good that about half the pony pics in your pony folder were made, capped, or touched up by a Furry.
Food for thought.
This man is my hero.
ReplyDelete@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeleteThis is Fon Shaolin's reaction to all Fon Shaolin criticism on here: NO U
I mean, look at it. Just look at it. Shao's blathering on and on about how "furries ALWAYS create drama ALWAYS", and saying that he wants to use napalm on furry bronies, knowing FULL WELL that people would react. Now let me ask you: Does that NOT sound like someone trying to stir up drama?
You're the one making the drama here. Aaaand you're TRYING to get people to think that Esper's argument is just a bunch of "LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU" without any sort of point whatsoever, when ANYONE who reads his posts can see that that's not the case.
Either you're trolling, or just being a hypocrite. Either way, I pity you.
@Fon Shaolin
ReplyDeleteAlright, I'm going to operate under the assumption that you're NOT trolling....
Oh, I see! FURRIES are the only ones that bring up Hitler/the Nazis in internet discussions! Because EVERYONE knows that Godwin's Law ONLY applies to FURRIES!
I will agree with you on one thing though, it IS a pretty stupid comparison, no matter WHO makes it.
Alright, one MORE thing. Do you think all these nasty comments you're making are going to keep the furries OUT? Even if the brony community becomes, as you say "overrun by the furries with OC's and Mary Sues" (which I doubt), do you REALLY think that being antagonistic is going to help?
Which brings me back to my original question: whether you are trolling.
All signs point to yes.
Dear Celestia, please close this thread.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteTL;DR version:
"Giving a shit about anything makes you a pussy. Everybody should be cynical and apathetic like me."
I would just like to say that everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
BUT FUCK THAT SHIT. http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/101/781/original/Y0UJC.png?1298581940
Okay. I've skimmed through a rough majority of the comments here and there's one thing I dislike.
ReplyDeleteYou're putting all your "cancer that is going to kill MLP" towards "furries." Can we stick with trolls or haters? Has anyone ever hung out with a suiter here?
My friend just loves sculpting masks and recently made a quadsuit which received much attention at a recent con. By no means does she fall into the category of "furry" to the degree of which you describe it. Therefore, theses comments are quite upsetting. I know what you /mean/ when you say it, but just throwing that out there.
On the whole note of "being a brony," it has it's obvious points. Of course being stared at at a Wal-mart trying to buy a Fluttershy figurine is going to be a given. However I do love MLP for its hilarious antics. (Oh that Pinkie Pie) I will also discuss the show with others who watch it, no matter the age.
**Insert anecdotes here** Be it on an MMO ie. Diablo 2, I'll join any game that says "ponies for life" of the sort and give the game maker a brohoof and discuss the show. Likewise at work (I'm a cashier), if I see a little kid with a toy to buy I'll just be like, "Oh! Fluttershy is my favorite pony too!" and just smile because they realize I know what they like.
TL;DR Don't blame a group of people for the cancer that may come. Just like the show. If you come across a hater, just walk away. As the guy who went the the Sci-fi con said somewhat "an OC character was giving him lip about his fandom," there's always going to be that guy at the con, outside, and on the internet.
Not trying to start a war or anything but I would just like to say that I'm a regular, heterosexual guy in high school with a job, studies music theory, plenty of friends and a girl friend, and I happen to love my little pony, I don't understand this love and friendship ideological thing you are attributing to this show, I just think it is ridiculously entertaining all of this being said I don't want the mlp fanbase to come under scrutiny as pedophiles who imagine having sex with ponies, I just want to be able to watch the show, and when this fanbase had less popularity I could just watch the show, but thanks to things like Cupcakes, various clop fictions, and plenty of rule 34 artwork, and I use the term artwork loosely I am afraid that I won't be able to watch this show openly much longer, and if that's the case then what will I do with my fluttershy tee shirt
ReplyDeleteI sort of wish we could all just keep the sexuality OUT of MLP. These characters are so young. If they were human, most if not all of them would be younger than eighteen. That's what bothers me the most about shipping and the art/fanfics with sexual content that are floating around the fandom.
ReplyDelete... Wow... I am COMPLETELY new to MLP (just started watching yesterday) and I have to say... YOU ARE ALL WEIRD AND ODD AND CRAZY!!
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying that to be mean, I'm saying it because it's true. Everyone, including... heck, especially me, is a little crazy. Absolutely no one on this planet is "normal". There's no such thing as "normal". If you ever think you meet a normal person, RUN! They are usually the serial killers and whatnot putting on an act.
I swear, sometimes I worry about the intelligence of the human race. Everyone thinks they're normal, no one wants to admit that they're a little off. They all think, "Oh, it's the world that's crazy and I have to set them right!"
Well guess what; NO, YOU DON'T!!
Stop trying to tell others how to live, what's right and wrong, correct ways to do this and that and just live your own life your own way.
I REALLY don't understand human nature sometimes... why everyone on the internet thinks that, just because they're anonymous it's ok to hurt others and be a... a... well, a jerk. (I was going to use an MLP insult, but I just couldn't think of any.) It just baffles me!
And just to make it as fair as possible, since I don't have an account (and honestly don't think I want one anymore), I'll put up my personal info as well.
My name is Bryan Truskolaski, I'm 28, I'm bisexual and guess what, I'm transgendered. (For those who don't know, that means I was born male, but am working on becoming female.) My new name will be Heather and I just don't care.
Oh yes, almost forgot. My e-mail is [email protected] (and yes, all of that is correct.)
So yeah... I may be a bit late to the party, but better late than never.
Sincerely,
TerraH
P.S. To everyone who feels that they need to "purify" this and every other site on the internet... get a life. It'll never happen...
... Wow... Not just a couple days late, am I? More like a couple months. I don't know why, but I thought the posts said July 28th, not April. Oh well! :p
ReplyDeleteGuys, we're arguing about the proper direction of a fandom for a show that was originally developed and, insofar as the first season, COMPLETED, with the intention that little girls would watch it, little boys would think it was stupid and for girls only, and hopefully parents would appreciate the message.
ReplyDeleteNow we, a demographic the creators didn't even expect, are arguing that a fandom based on love and tolerance should ban members from our group because we hate and refuse to tolerate them.
See where I'm going here?
Anyone who hates anyone else fails to understand the message of the show and the community.
That's why Fon Shaolin is wrong, and that's why everyone calling him Hitler or cancer is wrong, and that's why everyone who hates the people continually arguing are equally wrong.
The reason we need new people is because they are pure new members, not purists with their own sick agendas.
I literally watched half the first season for the first time last night, and now I'm disappointed that so many apparently intelligent people are missing the message.
But I don't dislike any of you. You all deserve my tolerance, even if my love is something I personally choose to reserve for people I know better and trust more.
That's why I'm not posting my name, but I am going to say that I'm from San Jose, CA, like the poster. And no, I don't actually know him.
If you don't all take a step (if not a few) back from your own argument, you won't realize that all you're doing is using this very post as a venue to vent your frustrations with communities that should be the object of your tolerance.
Intolerant people deserve tolerance. It's the "eye for an eye" crap that starts wars, but ultimately wars are fought by human beings, so while such behavior should be discouraged, it can't be punished without becoming part of the problem.
Ok abviously some people here didnt even try to do anything different. So i have one thing to say to the auther BROHOOF!!!! and all you haters i got one thing to say ....im going to love and tolerate the crap out of you... and any young bronies who may read this Welcome to the heard
ReplyDeleteI fucking hate you mbulsht.
ReplyDeleteYou ALL dont get the point. i was excited to read the letter, thinking "Yes!" and i stopped reading it when that guy mentioned he loves R34 and clopfics. because THATS the point. THATS one of the main reason we are so hated. because some weirdos dont have their sexaulity under control, and im really afraid and scared to meet people like that in real life.
ReplyDeleteHate ISNT good at all, thats true, but the reason this hate even exists is people like the guy who wrote this letter. Yes he is. And dont get me wrong - i dont know him or any other brony personally, but after reading shit like that i dont even want to. Probably, yes im even sure hes a nice person.
but im just pissed off by R34 and even the people who dont like it, but "tolerate it". Our "love and tolerate" thing is imo totally stupid anyway if you ask me.
Because, and now you can hate me or call me a troll or whatever - THIS shit is the cancer that is killing us at all, the fandom as its whole.
Im not disturbed by r34 at all because its EVERYWHERE, in every fandom,no, its the sheer amount of r34 - pics that jump in my face when i just google the name of a MLP - character. i dont like it, yes i f*cking hate it, but i CANT IGNORE it as i normaly do with things i dont like. because its almost EVERYWHERE, often you dont even have to maximmize the pictures googles throw at you. you see EVERYTHING of thing you never wanted to see. So yes, its the internet, a dark nasty place, but still its the shher amount, the flood of this pictures that distrub me.
i didnt become a brony just to see fucked up shit like that. im 24, straight, i love FIM and even buy the toys, so yes, im probably a hardcore- brony, but the reason iam is: its a funny, interesting show with cute and innocent characters - and some people make the weirdest shit out of this ive ever seen.
and its not just furrys i guess. im not a big furry fan myself i have to admit, but ive met furrys which hate all this fucked up stuff just like i do.
our fandom is so young, but produced already more creepy and perverted stuff than the furrys did produce in one decade.i really dont like the way were heading to, and if this doesnt stop, i WILL STOP. stop beeing a brony. because i dont wanna be asoicated with stuff like this in any way. i will continue watching and enjoying the show, perhaps even buying the toys just for fun (and cause i collect stuff of EVERY fandom im in) but i dont want to be a brony anymore or even called it. which would be really pity, because i like this community so much, had lots of fun, i made me happy etc.
Peace out.
This is the most incredible fan-base I've seen. I don't wanna see it corrupted D:
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ReplyDeleteHello people
ReplyDeleteHello fellow bronies when's Bronycon 2013?
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