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    1. SomberFebruary 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM

      @Necr0maNceR

      Listen please... Two days go I had plastic tubes shoved up in my face to try and drain an infection which was starting to work its way behind my eye. Today, I had said plastic tubes yanked out of my head.

      I am trying to get 38 finished in such a way that it will entertain my readers, yourself included, and make up for my complete failure to finish last weekend. I am hoping to do something that hopefully won't suck butt and will be really cool with FoE and PH.

      I am also trying desperately to find a teaching position before my mom decides to kick me out on my butt on general principle while paying my bills.

      In short... no. I didn't make that comment do sic anybody on you. I don't have time, energy, or inclination to do that.

      This is to Necro, and folks arguing with Necro...

      Ultimately, I assume the fault for anything that's a problem in PH. I try to make the best story I can for my readers. But since I'm a lousy writer I forget things, or I poorly execute them, or I change them because I've gotten a different idea or something. We try to keep it straight, and we often rely on commenters like yourself to catch my many mistakes.

      When you point out a mistake of something that went off or wrong, it's welcome feedback. But when you spend a half dozen posts repeating yourself over and over again then you're going from feedback to... I dunno, some kind of debate or argument.

      Very simply, I can't handle arguments. So I accept blame to try and end them. Move everypony along. It's not an attack on you. It's an attempt to put out a flame war because I don't want to see a fight between readers.

      Some of your initial comments were already picked up by Hinds, Necro. Others were opinion we're going to have to disagree on. Sorry. Ultimately the story is as it is, and I'm doing the best I can.

      I hope you, and everypony else commenting here, can simply agree to disagree and drop it.

      Now... if you'll excuse me... I need to find someway to have BJ stop p-21 from blowing Sanguine's head off.

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    2. SardaFebruary 29, 2012 at 5:39 PM

      @Necr0maNceR

      >Implying people needed motivation from Somber to dislike you.

      You come across as being overly critical to the point of being pedantic... not exactly what I'd consider endearing.

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    3. SomberFebruary 29, 2012 at 5:44 PM

      Folks... please. Could we all just drop it!?

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    4. JackInASphereFebruary 29, 2012 at 5:47 PM

      Can't we all just get along.

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    5. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumFebruary 29, 2012 at 5:49 PM

      so, we are all upset with necromancer for not keeping in mind that our author is manic depressive and will at the slightest of whims fall into a guilty bit.

      I wonder where he will find pride...

      no pride I think, shame really there is so much he is good at.

      so anyway, love and happiness

      also love and women, or men or your hand, whichever you choose they make you cum

      the sea is so lovely with the reflection of the moon and stars

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    6. swickedFebruary 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM

      @O. Hinds
      Glory, for all her good points, is still my least favorite of the bunch. I can see her appeal, though, and she's easy to write humor about :P

      Lacunae, though... I honestly still don't get her. She's a blank slate. I hope Somber finds some way to flesh her out more before too much longer so I can make a decent exaggeration :)

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    7. SardaFebruary 29, 2012 at 6:04 PM

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    8. SardaFebruary 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

      I really wish there was an edit function... I accidentally left an extra sentence in there while rewriting my reply. :/

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum
      Actually, what bothered me was that he tried to play the victim.

      Also, regarding the whole "killing joke can only use things that the victim has said out loud" thing... Isn't that just speculation on the part of readers? The plant obviously wasn't around to hear them say these things, so there's some serious magic going on here anyways. Personally, it's not that much of a stretch in my mind for the plant to pick up on something that was never said aloud, especially if it's a recurring thought.

      In any case, it worked fine from a literary perspective since the readers get the joke. I don't think established in-world rules should be broken for the sake of literary convenience, but I really don't think that's what happened here.

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    9. Fuzzy Porcupine PawsFebruary 29, 2012 at 6:08 PM

      The more I think about it, the more I like chapter 37. It had a clear story structure of beginning, middle and end. Each one coherently feeding into the next for a well done chapter.

      This weeks episode of Extra Credits got me to thinking how you well you use core narrative aesthetics. Hippocratic Research has cake trees and immediately sets up every other aesthetic for the rest of the chapter like a fine tuned series of dominoes.

      The goal is clear. Go to HR and stop Sanguine from doing more monstrous harm. To accomplish this BJ and crew need to secure the pipbuck and likely stop Sanguine from being able to continue pursuing its acquisition. Sanguine, who assumes everything is out to kill him, will have every means in play to remain secure in his stronghold. After all he's had 200+ years of practice of not dying from the death trap of HR.

      Where this chapter fills me with excitement is that it uses a similar aesthetic as Aperture science. Flim and Flam are genial and friendly, they are con men to a T. They can't not be that friendly helping hoof to provide just what you need. Since the science and magic behind their creations is told and explained from there perspective, the magic only needs to be explained as well as F&F would want to explain it during a prerecorded message. From the message, they are less concerned with the specific nuts and bolts understanding and take more of a devil may care experimental take of trial and error. They also take a great amount of pride in their work. I interpreted the death trap woods around HR as sort of a show floor for their more eye catching experiments after 200 years of overgrowth.

      For example, I don't think anyone ever understood just what repulsion gel was. In line with everything else in aperture science, I think they had a reproducible manufacturing process and didn't use anytime for figuring out what it was. After all, Time is Money. Why would F&F use valuable time when they could instead build a whole factory for Flux and sell it off to every company across Equestria.

      @Somber, take your time. I hope you have fun and enjoy writing the next chapter and every following chapter until you feel the story is complete. Issues of self worth can play tricks on the mind and make one negative word sound louder than a thousand good ones. To me, you are one of the best authors alive. I can only speak from I have experienced, but PH is one of the more profound stories I've ever read. I will be very lucky if I find any other story in the next 25 years that will mean more to me and have a more profound positive impact on my life. Right now I rank second in favorite authors, right under Aesop.

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    10. SardaFebruary 29, 2012 at 6:09 PM

      ...and just to clarify since I'm terrible at this, I was referring to the whole Blackjack exploding thing.

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    11. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumFebruary 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM

      at sarda,

      I like righty, do you like lefty?


      well somber honestly I enjoy your work

      its fun, even if you say it is terrible, i mean think about it people like and have fun with football... and I think it is terrible, nor real football i mean, that is awesome, but american football, it is so terrible... run a 15 second play, then break for two meinutes, the clock is ticking...

      unngh, ot nealy as exciting as 45 minutes at a time with no pauses and in 22? 23? different positions...

      honestly, you have my full support and utter confidence in your work, I swear it on Fish Fingers and Custard...

      I made custard, uses egg yolks

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    12. swickedFebruary 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

      @Somber

      That's easy. BJ jumps in front of the bullet or grenade like she always does, P-21 almost kills her, and suddenly he realizes how awful it'd be to actually be the one behind her death and, amazingly, never feels the urge to shoot her ever again.

      Or something like that.

      Anyway, read my humor! XD

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    13. swickedFebruary 29, 2012 at 6:25 PM

      @Somber

      Also:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y#t=58s

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    14. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumFebruary 29, 2012 at 6:39 PM

      BRITISH HUMOR!...Well actually it is but a small segment of monty python

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    15. Fuzzy Porcupine PawsFebruary 29, 2012 at 6:47 PM

      You know, I wonder how hard it would be to gather audio recordings of 10 seconds or less in length of fans saying nice self esteem building things about Somber and PH. Then build them into something that would play one at random each time Somber hit a button on his phone. That way when Life starts to get the better of Somber, he can push a button and be reminded of all the good things he done for us.

      Also thank you Somber for 37 outstanding chapters thus far.

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    16. swickedFebruary 29, 2012 at 6:59 PM

      @Fuzzy Porcupine Paws
      Eh, I can't imagine it'd have more of an effect than turning to 99% of the 10816 comments this fic has garnered thus far.

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    17. AnonymousFebruary 29, 2012 at 7:18 PM

      @swicked
      The way I see it, Glory is us. She's an intelligent and idealistic young person who's previously lived a comfortable, clean, and relatively privileged life, who's now trying to make sense of this horrible world she's been dumped into.

      I guess I sympathize with her perhaps more than anyone else in PH. Unlike a more hard-nosed character like BJ or Rampage, it feels like a victory to me every time she's able to smile and joke in the face of all the horror she's experienced.

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    18. MichaelJAWFebruary 29, 2012 at 9:16 PM

      @silentcarto

      Meanwhile I ALSO sympathise with Blackjack somewhat with the whole Stable 99 "Don't think about it" thing.

      It seems to be pretty much what modern society is about. Don't think about the problems we're causing, don't think about how unstable the foundations of our civilisation are....

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    19. Nuhvok01February 29, 2012 at 9:32 PM

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum Lauren H. Faust... have you been hitting the rum again Admiral?

      My true love is Desperation. She was $55 and came from Austin.

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    20. swickedFebruary 29, 2012 at 9:37 PM

      I'm not sure sympathizing is quite what I do with these characters, but P-21 is my favorite.
      He always has been, since the very beginning.

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    21. Necr0maNceRFebruary 29, 2012 at 9:49 PM

      As far as “It’s magic, Somber doesn’t have to explain shit” goes, that’s not exactly true. Even magic has rules. If Somber let magic do anything at anytime without a good explanation, it would become a deus ex machina solution to any situation, and the story would go stale. Not everything needs to be explained, but much of it does.

      Kkat left some leeway as far as how killing joke and a few other things work in Fallout: Equestria, but she still left a pretty good pattern. The further something deviates from that pattern, the more it seems like something different than what Kkat was writing about.

      @Random Blank
      As far as Xenith goes, that is exactly, what I have been saying. Sindri was the one trying to say otherwise.

      @O. Hinds
      I don't think it is that close. There is a huge difference between stuff exploding when Blackjack touches things and when she is planning. Killing joke may not always make everything its victim says come true. Good examples being the fact that Xenith, like you said, probably isn't an earth pony now, and the fact that Kage didn't get revived when Reggie was cursed. That said, it still makes at least part of what it's victim said come true. "Something always seems to explode" doesn't seem like enough to cause the curse. Killing joke so far has only gone off what it's victims have said, and giving Blackjack an exploding touch would be going far beyond what she has said. As far as how ridiculous you say things would be if stuff exploded whenever Blackjack plans something goes? That's why she wasn't cursed that way.

      @silentcarto
      "Too goddamn long, didn't even bother to read."

      You do realize that statement is incredibly childish. You aren't a part of this conversation any more.

      @Derpmind
      "To everyone else: Please don't respond to Necr0mancer's latest post on Killing Joke. We can't convince him of anything, and a long and lengthy post discussing his points will only provoke more pointless arguing."

      That's even more childish.

      @Sindri
      I'm glad you agree with most of my points, since I do believe my last post before Somber was pretty convincing. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the reason you agreed with me so readily is due to Somber's last comment causing you to want to end this conversation.

      @Mint Julep
      Yeah, I know. I've seen him act that way a thousand times. Practically every third post of his he is demeaning himself.

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    22. Necr0maNceRFebruary 29, 2012 at 9:51 PM

      @Somber
      Alright, I understand how stressful things have been for you recently and apologize for any additional stress I may have caused you.

      I don't mind that this chapter is taking longer than a week to finish, I wouldn't even mind if it took a month or longer for you to finish each chapter, so long as the quality didn't drop.

      I understand that your intention wasn't to sic everyone on me. I just want you to realize that is what happens when you make comments like that in response to someone. It has happened several times before. Usually, the person deserves it, but I think that I have been fairly reasonable.

      You can continue to think that you are a bad writer, but keep in mind that everyone here, myself included, disagree with you, and think you are an excellent writer. The "problems" I have pointed out are minor, and likely won't have any major affect on the story.

      As far as the length of this discussion goes, I made a point, someone else made a counterpoint, I countered that, and so on and so forth. I didn't repeat the same thing over and over. I made new arguments, found new evidence, conceded some points, and proved others. It was far from a stale discussion.

      Either way, you have ended this discussion, even if it wasn’t finished.

      It's too bad you don't like arguments, but they happen. I'm willing to stop discussing this and agree to disagree, so long as everyone else does too.

      I still reserve the right to discuss anything else that I may think doesn't make sense in the future.

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    23. WavemasterRyxFebruary 29, 2012 at 10:07 PM

      @Jacky2734
      No problem with Archer here, I thought they did pretty well with what they had to work with. I don't have a problem with any series, just that I don't think Picard is quite as great as LittlePip was making him out to be.

      @Sindri
      DS9 is actually my least favorite series, but the margin isn't very big - and it has some bloody fantastic episodes, like "Our Man Bashir" and the revisit to Trouble with Tribbles.

      @ketchup504
      Yeah, I suppose drawing and writing do both take a lot of practice... Well I wish you luck if you ever decide to try your hand at it.
      And thank you, though you're far too kind (and even so those were some of my better examples from the past). StarCraft D&D was a lot of fun, but we were never able to successfully translate it to more modern D&D rule-sets, which is shame.

      @Mech
      Glory looks really happy to be there - P-21 does not heh - another drawing well played, sir.

      @RoboRed
      Thank you, sir - and well it never hurts to try.

      @Somber
      *hugs you*

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    24. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumFebruary 29, 2012 at 10:23 PM

      I hit the cask!

      Also, sounds like Desperation from Austin could have been free if you played your cards right... that is why I like righty and Tracy

      and Kimberly

      and Hyangmi "Ann" "Hannah" Li

      but not Mel... not really, or Jeremy, no definately not Jeremy Bless his heart, Barn Doors and all

      Also you should clean your mouth out with soap, bleach and then Ajax, the Holy Mother wouldst smiteth thou an unholy floppy horn for such... Blasphemy

      I doubt even the twins could help with that... Ah the Twins! so hard to tell them apart without their...>_> <_< ... Clothes!

      HA!

      Honestly mates did I not say that P21 is very sexy? I could have sworn I uploaded a sexy picture of him after all I really like his mane in Mech's Drawings...

      My blasted keyboard needs a deep cleaning... crumbs keep the keys from falling

      so I've finally gotten the bloody first half of Season six of Who and now I want to see the hitler episode

      now as everyone is done raging about hurting somber's feelings I would like to take a moment to point out the downward spiral think about it, hes doing something but since was hardly taught to take pride in some of his work, well I suppose its always going to be considered crap, never really had anything on the refrigerator? I had to fight tooth and nail to get drawings put up on the refrigerator, but then my stepsisters were strong willed... god forbid that 2 year old test get taken off...

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    25. ketchup504February 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM

      @Necr0maNceR
      You are carrying on, please stop. You are entitled to your opinions, but if nopony else wants to hear them again, please, just drop it.
      Don't bother responding.

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum
      I think you're drunk...

      Keyboards like sandwichs, enough to suck up the crumbs.

      @WavemasterRyx
      A real shame that newer D&D Starcraft doesn't exist. In the group I play D20 and the like with(my twin, cousin, and a few friends)we all like Starcraft. None 'cept my brother like ponies though, and he was exposed to it by me.

      Tribbles. FTW.
      I honestly find Trek series weapon tech fascinating. What with the Dominion's Polaron(whatever those are)based weapons that penetrate Federation and Klingon shield generators.

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    26. Jacky2734February 29, 2012 at 11:59 PM

      @WavemasterRyx

      I mostly said that because I thought it'd get a rouse out of the hardcore Trekkies. I didn't realize that Archer was actually among the respected captains.

      That being said, I'm actually not that big of a fan of Star Trek. I grew up with Star Gate SG-1 and I think the Colonels of that show were way better than any of the ST Captains.

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    27. SindriMarch 1, 2012 at 1:04 AM

      @Derpmind, Sarda, etc.
      Somber has requested we drop it. Three times now. Insulting those involved and making irrelevent and condescending responses to logical arguments made is the opposite of dropping it.


      @Mech
      P-21 is best cranky jestser. Incidentally, does it look to anypony else like he's setting up for a backstab?


      @RoboRed
      Probably should let him tell you hisself, but Somber's email address is david13ushey@gmail.com; you can get it off the ends of the recent chapters.

      And yes, modern railguns are massive, inefficient, fragile, and anything but subtle. Kinda like black power cannons, but massively more powerful.


      @Katarn
      Well, a shot at a velocity that doesn't create a pressure wave ionizing the air around it would be a lot more subtle. Big problems for now are power supply, heat dissipation, deterioration of the rails, and a score of other things that mean you won't be able to carry one of these on the battlefield any time soon.


      @Random Blank
      The sabot isn't particularly aerodynamic, especially after separating. It would probably crash off into the scenery after a few dozen (maybe hundred) meters. Still quite dangerous, but not landing anywhere near where you're sniping.


      @Necr0maNceR
      "Was it your intention to make a self-deprecating comment in response to what I said as a means to sic your loyal followers on me?"
      Nah, Somber's nowhere near spiteful enough to think of doing something like that. My guess is that the pressure in his sinuses combined with his screwy brain chemistry to make him actually believe what he said there for a moment.

      She did ask us to drop it, so if you'd like to continue the discussion I'd recommend getting my email from my profile instead of coninuing here for the moment.


      @ketchup504
      There would be very little noise for the launch itself (unless things were scraping and sparking and bending, but any of those implies a design that won't last through the combat). However, the projectile is moving at several times the speed of sound, and the one in the video was quite large to boot. The sonic boom behind such a thing is far from insignificant. The report from a pony-portable rail-rifle would potentially range from almost silent at subsonic speeds (at which point it has little energy itself and is mostly useless unless at short range and either very heavy or explosive or something), to comparable to a standard rifle round at about mach 3, to a thundercrack and a streak of flame across the sky at higher velociites.

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    28. SindriMarch 1, 2012 at 1:04 AM

      @swicked
      "Littlepip: 'Why is this a contest to you?'
      BJ: 'Probably because I keep winning.'"
      *snrk*


      @Somber
      I have yet to find a fault in your story. Okay, maybe excessive use of the term "flank-spank" in the new versions of early chapters. And the cake/lie might have been out of place, but it made me laugh so I can't complain. I am neither exaggerating nor making use of hyperbole when I say that this is the best tale I've read in many, many years of substituting good books for annoying people.

      I apologize for my role in events, and will find an alternate forum for debates related to your story in the future.

      Hrm. Perhaps we can organize a "Project Horizon arguments" thread somewhere, and never tell Somber where it is...


      @Necr0maNceR
      Magic has rules yes, but we often don't know them and even if we do we don't have all the information regarding circumstances. And since Somber has requested that this be dropped, I will refer you again to my email until and unless we set up an alternate location for continuation of arguments, debates, and other things that should be kept out of the reactions and socializing thread here.

      And I didn't agree out of any desire to end the conversation; I quite enjoy a good polite debate. Your most recent comment included several factual examples that I had previously been misremembering and logical counterarguments to my primary points.

      My goal in any argument is not to "win," but rather to use opposing perspectives and opinions to remove errors in thinking and approach "truth." If we end up agreeing on something, that's more likely to be correct than either of our independant conclusions. If I convince others that I'm right, that's fine (if a bit boring). If they convince me that I was wrong and their conclusions are better, I learned and imporved myself. If we discover that we're both wrong and together form a new conclusion, that's most exciting of all. And if all else fails and neither of us can convince the other, at least we undertsand each other's views better (like in my debate with Random Blank about Red Eye a while back). That's why I was somewhat annoyed with some of your middle arguments, where you seemed to be dodging what I'd said and just repeating yourself; they didn't seem to serve a purpose.


      @WavemasterRyx
      Well, I suppose I prefer the world-building and character development over "alien of the week" style constant exploration. DS9 is better for overarching plotlines since things don't move much, but individual episodes tend to be much weaker than in the others. And of course it was a long runner, and those almost always deteriorate at some point...


      @Jacky2734
      I too prefer Stargate to Trek, actually. I also really liked Farscape. And of course Balylon 5 beats everything.

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    29. Jack DorkingsMarch 1, 2012 at 1:23 AM

      @WavemasterRyx
      Picard was the best captain! I missed LittlePip making him out to be awesome though.

      I like all of the captains, apart from Sisko. To be fair its probably not his fault either, but DS9's format didn't sit well with me. The ending thing with it as well? All I could do was sit there and say 'what?'

      @ Ketchup 504: the Dominion shield breaking weapons were almost certainly a maguffin so they could have those tiny Dominion attack ships attacking a battleship and destroying it with a single pass, instead of needing to outnumber the good guys by 20 to one.

      @ Silentcarto: Also I probably identify the most with Glory as well. The points you made I didn't actually realise until you pointed them out. Until a couple of years ago, I was like Glory to a t. Well, mostly. I'm a scientist as well so it always makes me happy to see Glory be analytical.

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    30. Random BlankMarch 1, 2012 at 2:26 AM

      @ketchup504

      Sound scales directly with energy dissipation.

      First, air creates viscous friction, that is proportional to square of speed, and energy dissipation is directly proportional to friction:

      two times faster bullet is four times louder.

      Next, we can't dissipate more energy than we have. The energy is mv^2, meaning while speed plays a very important factor (squared), it's what is lost the fastest. A slower, heavier bullet can carry the same energy and fly much further because it won't be as affected by air friction.

      OTOH, heavy means big. Still, friction is related primarily to cross-section surface, and that grows with square of size while mass grows with cube of size. So two times bigger (in all directions) bullet will have 4 times as high friction but 8 times as much mass (and as result, energy for same speed).

      So, slow heavy bullets would be better if you want to keep it quiet. A tiny 10 mach bullet will create a hell of sonic boom.

      Then again, accuracy of fast bullets is superior. Better trajectory, better stability of flight. Better from sniping from a far distance.

      OTOH, there's nothing to stop you from using both kinds. Small bullets for far targets, and heavy long bolts for sniping from a short distance.

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    31. KatarnMarch 1, 2012 at 2:30 AM

      @Random Blank
      About 10 mach and armor.
      It's hell of speed. I assume there are no body armor, which could stop kinetic energy at such speed?
      I mean around 12 000 km/h it's...damn...shell (ammo, etc) would simply pierce body like there was none in it's way...right?

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    32. SalculdMarch 1, 2012 at 2:42 AM

      Okay, I'm about to line up all the pronouns against the proverbial wall. What gender is Somber? Considering that I've seen an equal mix of both and even internal inconsistency within individual posts, I'm inclined to believe the answer has been heretofore unspecified. Still, just in case that's inaccurate, WHAT.

      No, this doesn't matter in the slightest, but the inconsistency is driving my inner copy editor mad.

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    33. SalculdMarch 1, 2012 at 2:43 AM

      p.s. Picard was the best captain, but Kirk would totally kick his ass in a fight.

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    34. MichaelJAWMarch 1, 2012 at 2:45 AM

      @Salculd

      Somber is physically a male human.
      However, the story is largely made by the female pony that resides inside his head.

      (Or at least that's my understanding of it)

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    35. theBSDudeMarch 1, 2012 at 2:48 AM

      @Salculd

      The confusion comes because "Somber" refers to two entities: it's the internet handle of a male human, and the name of a female pony.

      Basically:
      he = physical self
      she = creative self

      So while *he* was in the hospital, *she* wasn't able to get any writing done.

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    36. KatarnMarch 1, 2012 at 2:53 AM

      @Salculd
      This is how Somber look like.

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    37. SindriMarch 1, 2012 at 2:55 AM

      @Katarn
      Depending on the material and shape of the projectile, at that speed it would probably pass through an unarmored body largely unimpeded. Though you could tweak the construction of the bullet to dissipate more energy in the target and decrease overpenetration, like with hollow point rounds in conventional weapons. And of course even a tiny hole all the way through a person will cause significant problems, and the shockwave from something passing through at that speed would probably liquefy some of their organs.

      And of course with a solid, sharp, dense bullet at those speeds? No armor that a person could move in would be a valid defense.


      @Salculd
      My understanding is that the story is written by a little grey filly named Somber, living in the chemically-imbalanced head of a male human. When referring to his physical condition, employment status, etc. we typically refer to Somber as male. When addressing the author of the story or the creative genius behind this grand mess, we typically refer to Somber as female. Use your own judgement as to which is best at the time, or just pick one, or default to male because that's what english does for some reason. I've never seen them offended by incorrect pronoun use.

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    38. Random BlankMarch 1, 2012 at 2:57 AM

      @Necr0maNceR
      The further something deviates from that pattern, the more it seems like something different than what Kkat was writing about.
      ...like, Hoofington, Hyppocratic Research kind of Killing Joke, as opposed to Everfree Forest Killing Joke maybe?

      Yes, Somber's Killing Joke works differently from Kkat's Killing Joke. You made your point, you've proven it is different.

      Is it wrong? Should it be done differently? Should Somber rewrite it? Have Glory killed in that scene maybe? Or do you mean, I dunno, Somber should be ashamed due to... abhorrent betrayal of the purity of the paragon of FoE canon the Killing Joke is? Grovel in shame that he didn't duplicate the plant's behavior accurately? Beg Kkat for forgiveness for this atrocious crime?

      What are you trying to achieve?

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    39. SindriMarch 1, 2012 at 2:57 AM

      @Salculd
      And if this is the strangest case you've met, you haven't been on the internet long enough :P

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    40. SindriMarch 1, 2012 at 2:59 AM

      @Random Blank
      Didn't Somber ask us to drop it three times? Didn't Necr0 already declare it dropped? Why are you still asking?

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    41. WavemasterRyxMarch 1, 2012 at 3:09 AM

      @ketchup504
      I know, it's quite a shame - if I had any of the notes on it I'd have happily passed them on to you, but we never even got that far in recreating it.
      Yeah the Dominion had some pretty nice weapons, something like an EMP too, right? I absolutely love ships and space-battles, which they started getting pretty good with in DS9.

      @Jacky2734
      Really want to tick off the hardcore Trek fans? Say the 2009 movie was good. F- I loved that movie though... only modern movie that has actually managed to divert my attention from PH...
      Heh, well I enjoyed all of the Star Treks, Star Wars (well... the real ones anyways), and all three Stargate series - they all had their own value to me.

      @Sindri
      Heh, ah well it might be that I was hardwired into the "alien of the week" style from watching too many shows like Power Rangers and Sailor Moon. Ironically, originally I didn't like DS9 because it was so much darker (yeah, I say this in the PH thread, OH THE IRONY). As I said, the margin by which I call DS9 my "least favorite series" is very very slim.

      @Hawkeye92
      I wouldn't say Picard is bad, but I mean come on... he called conferences to ask for opinions of what to do in the middle of time-sensitive, dangerous situations!
      I do agree though, DS9 and Voyager in particular got royally shafted in their final episodes...


      So, I had been planning to draw everyone's favorite immortal death filly, and today seemed like a really great day to do it, because we could use some cute - except that I had massive amounts of failure trying to draw... *sighs*
      So it's not at all how I would have liked, but she still turned out kinda cute.

      http://wavemasterryx.tumblr.com/post/18545774821

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    42. SalculdMarch 1, 2012 at 3:12 AM

      Works for me!

      (It's far from the strangest, but it'd been irking me since I'd heretofore not seen an explanation. Again, not that it really matters.)

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    43. Random BlankMarch 1, 2012 at 3:37 AM

      @Katarn

      Most of energy goes towards piercing whatever it hits - similar to shaped charge.
      So, let's how the effect would look like...

      PTE is about 6 KJ/g
      This guy uses 4,5g of PTE, that is 27KJ of energy.

      The effects

      It would stand to reason a bullet after 2 miles of flight might have about as much left in it... really air friction energy loss calculations are a nightmare.

      Seems good, you should be able to kill a tank pilot through the armor.

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    44. Random BlankMarch 1, 2012 at 3:45 AM

      Sindri: don't forget about the shockwave and the hydroshock effect. A hit of this could result in a tiny wound in the thigh and massive hemorrhaging of the brain.

      Also, I write replies as I read (inconsistently jumping)... So, sorry for dragging this killing joke issue. Posted before reading Somber's request.


      @WavemasterRyx:
      She really has a lot of Twist in her!

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    45. SindriMarch 1, 2012 at 3:48 AM

      @WavemasterRyx
      D'awwww, Wampage is just an adorable little bundle of chaos and destruction, isn't she?

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    46. SindriMarch 1, 2012 at 3:58 AM

      @Random Blank
      I just got a rather disturbing mental image of the adventurer finding this gun, shooting a raider in the ankle to test it, and causing them to keel over with a nosebleed and massive cerebral hemorrhaging.

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    47. KatarnMarch 1, 2012 at 4:36 AM

      @Sindri
      oh god...WHY,OH WHY DID YOU SAID THAT?! Now I'm see this image too.

      I have to post it after all physics talk and calculations...

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    48. Random BlankMarch 1, 2012 at 5:51 AM

      Should be a rather massive, self-contained body area providing enough medium for the shockwave to travel. The ankle will just explode all around and the shockwave will vanish before reaching the head. Thigh, abdomen, chest area - these should suffice. But I believe the effect could well involve both nosebleed and eye bleed, involving vessels inside they eye bursting and turning it red.

      That would make for some really scary looking corpses.

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    49. KatarnMarch 1, 2012 at 6:16 AM

      That's it...my imagination now will grant me nightmares with this corpses.
      In same time I laugh at this...don't know why. My sick imagination now whispering me some ideas, like - kill few raiders with railgun with that effect and they will leave area asap. I would...

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    50. KimMarch 1, 2012 at 6:51 AM

      @Somber Don't fret over it Somber, I could re-direct people into a discussion of how badly I am raping P-21... both theoretically, figuratively, technically and literally xD

      Anyhow, do get better. (I can kinda relate to it when I had to have my tonsils removed due to being unable to eat or breathe properly) And really, no rush with the new chapter, I got no time to read right now and am still trying to calm enough to put my dagger away. (or at least the urge to use it)

      As for a reason to stop P-21: He doesn't deserve a quick, clean death? He should be slowly sunk into molten metal? Pressed down against a sander covered in hot sauce? Internally and externally eaten "alive" by something that wouldn't die of pink cloud? (Radroaches?)


      And people, while I know how tempting it is to keep discussing something, try to do it over mail.

      @Simple killing joke solution: It's the mutated hoof version, it does at it pleases.

      And just to derail stuff further: Going with very rough calculations here. If we say ~65 % of the population is female, then out of 1000 ponies, we would have 650 females and 450 males. Out of these, (going with human standards) ~65 % of these females would be wired to be sexually submissive, and the same percentage of males would be wired to be sexually dominant. So roughly, out of 450 males, 292,5 would be wired to enjoy being on to, thus if going by "wasteland logic", these would be likely to rape. While 157,5 wouldn't "want" to be dominant. Now out of the females, of the 650 mares, 422,5 wouldn't by nature try to be dominant. While we have 227,5, that (like me) are dominant, or even alpha. These would in theory have no problem with leaning towards rape in the wasteland.

      Now, if we take into account, it is the wasteland, these numbers would likely increase in favour of dominance as it is a "societal/behavioural" change or whatever to call it. (Remember, you can be submissively dominant. "Rut me, or I'll gut ye.") If upping it to 10000, we got approximately 2275 dominant males and... 2275 dominant females? Did I count this correctly? ... I think I did, that might be the point they "balance" themselves out as it's more mares then stallions, but percentage wise, more stallions are dominant. In either case. On these rough calculations, I just wanted to point out that no, it wouldn't be "mostly males" that do the raping, and there wouldn't just be some dedicated female group of rapists out there... ok well, there like is, of both genders xD But my point being, neither gender would be safe from rape. Many mares would likely avoid insemination sex when in season, but they could still force other types of it, or simple rape other mares through tribbing. Plus, I am going with human logic here but: Between a wasteland female and a male, both about the same physique and endurance, for whom would it start to hurt first from soreness and/or afterglow? Just saying... (and I know equines are supposed to have herp de derp endurance, but if so, I don't see a reason for the mares to not have it as well. Don't ruin one of my few ... something here. xP Just all the more reason for gangbang in that case.)

      There, that should de-rail the whole other topic. You don't have to thank me, I was just doing my job of trailing off ;P

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    51. AnonymousMarch 1, 2012 at 8:30 AM

      Brace yourself, I'm about to geek out about three different subjects at once.

      @WavemasterRyx
      Personally, I don't think I would use D&D for Starcraft. Star Wars Saga Edition would be more appropriate, if you wanted to stay within the bounds of the d20 system -- it's designed around ranged combat to a greater extent than D&D, and it's already set up to handle psychics with energy swords. :)

      I think something along the lines of Dresden Files (Fate) or Burning Wheel might be an even better choice, though. Those systems abstract combat a little more and put more weight on storytelling and roleplaying. Depends on your preferences, I guess.

      @Katarn
      That's generally the case. Smaller, faster projectiles are better for piercing armor, but less effective against unarmored targets because they tend to pierce the target as if it were the armor. That's kind of where ballistics gets really complicated, though -- I understand that there are some clever ways you can design a bullet so that it will penetrate hard armor, but tumble and deal massive damage on contact with a softer surface. There's also stuff like hydrostatic shock, which may or may not really work and hasn't been well-researched. It's tough to test ethically, since you have to shoot a living thing every time.

      @WavemasterRyx
      I liked the reboot movie, myself, but then Trek is only my third-favorite "Star" franchise. (Wars, then Gate, then Trek, with Search coming in dead last.)

      Also, d'awwww... :D

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    52. ValikMarch 1, 2012 at 8:43 AM

      @Jacky2734

      >>I actually prefer Johnathan Archer over the rest of the captains.

      Ok, I'll bite.
      So... you condone the genocide-by-inaction of the Valakians, don't ya?

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    53. AnonymousMarch 1, 2012 at 9:21 AM

      @Valik
      However much I disliked Enterprise, I'm going to go to bat for Archer on this one.

      The original script had he and Phlox ending the episode at odds, with Phlox refusing a direct order to give them the cure. Some idiot at UPN forced them to change the ending so that the main cast was in agreement rather than at odds, so don't hold that one against him.

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    54. Free CoffeeMarch 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM

      @Salculd
      Somber himself (or "David") is a man, in order to get in character to write PH, he takes on a female alter-ego, it helps get him in character so she can write as if she was Blackjack

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    55. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM

      so warp is deadly due to particle accumulation...

      this is why hyperspace based tech would be safer, you're not in real space, so any particles that were accumulated in hyperspace are dispersed through the hyperspace field as the vessel exits the field.

      or we could try sing a tesseract

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    56. Random BlankMarch 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM

      WARNING WARNING WARNING. People with weak stomach or eating or easily offended don't read this post
      I tried if I can do Littlepip style curses.

      Judge yourself.

      Sacred shit of the Goddess
      Celestia stomp my balls!
      Celestia double-hoof my ass
      Luna fuck a mule
      Luna piss in my eyes
      Sweet Luna's piss!
      Luna horn-fuck my dick-hole!
      Sweet Snowballing Luna!
      By the blessed cunt of Celestia!
      Sonic rainboom up my ass!
      Luna feather-fuck my urethra
      Celestia spread your wings up my ass
      Goddess shit for breakfast
      Dip your cock in Celestia's diarrhea.
      By the taste of Celestia's period blood.
      Praised be the godly aroma of Luna's dock.
      Nightmare Moon fuck me with starmetal dildo.
      Goddess feathers rub my balls!
      Tight Celestia's Cervix!
      Luna shit fiery tacos up my bladder!
      By donkey semen in Celestia's eye!
      Let my tongue never touch Luna's clit if I don't...
      Dip Luna's nipples in chilli, will ya?

      ...and that's without even using solar flares, balefire or celestial bodies.

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    57. ValikMarch 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum

      Mass Effect FTL is best FTL.

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    58. swickedMarch 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM

      Hah, cuz your name is random.

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    59. Chibi-SamaMarch 1, 2012 at 10:26 AM

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    60. UnknownMarch 1, 2012 at 10:32 AM

      I haven't read this story since ch.29 was posted( a really long time) but I LOL'ed when I read of Paladin Sugar Apple Bombs Stronghoof, the manliest pony ever. His manliness has been passed down through the Stronghoof family for generations. Also Lighthooves being a possible good guy? Le gasp! I can't wait to catch up with this marvelous story.

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    61. UnknownMarch 1, 2012 at 10:57 AM

      Currently reading ch 31:

      My laughter melted away as EVERYTHING went to $#!T. Poor Radishes, poor Mallet, Poor anyone else who dies.

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    62. Random BlankMarch 1, 2012 at 11:07 AM

      Then brace yourself for 33. It's legendary in terms of grimdark.

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    63. KimMarch 1, 2012 at 11:08 AM

      @Random Blank Hm, imo, they seemed more vulgar then "Pip interesting".

      And really? None had anything to say about my rambling topic of rape? Well, the other topic dropped, so I guess that is progress in it's own xP

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    64. swickedMarch 1, 2012 at 11:17 AM

      @Kim
      I find your comments incredibly entertaining, I just don't have anything to add :P

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    65. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 11:21 AM

      @Kim

      To be fare, most of us were caught up in the Star Trek Discussion.

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    66. UnknownMarch 1, 2012 at 11:23 AM

      Currently reading ch 31:
      Yay Rampage(Best pony in this story) returns, even if she's threatening BJ's life.
      Whoo hoo no moral dilemma for killing monsterpony(hopefully)

      Phoenix Pony?(COOL!!)

      Angstiest Save the Wasteland team is back together! Whoo hoo(Not really one for full
      sentences or review am I?)

      Speculation time: Rampage is the monsterpony mixture of Twist, Shujaa, and possibly some unknown third pony. In hindsight, "Open intimate realtionship" if I'm right, that's a new level of freaky. Confirmed.

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    67. KippershyMarch 1, 2012 at 12:00 PM

      @O. Hinds

      -Puts on my best house of commons voice-

      agreed.

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    68. KippershyMarch 1, 2012 at 12:08 PM

      @swicked

      God I love me some Monty.
      *throws a hug your way for making me laugh so much*

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    69. KippershyMarch 1, 2012 at 12:09 PM

      Also. Damn Somber. sounds rough as fuck.
      Here's to hoping you manage to find a job soon so you don't have to worry about being thrown out =/

      -throws you a hug too-

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    70. KimMarch 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM

      @swicked (And Jack) Well, fair enough, can't argue with star trek xD

      Anyhow, I think I managed to semi-vent/rant about females in the wasteland quite well. Even if I'm currently just focusing on 99 atm, wouldn't mind doing a "wastelander experience", but doubt I could muster the required amount of motivation and whatnot to do one right now, especially not with 2 unfinished ones ^^'

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    71. TheLastDefenderMarch 1, 2012 at 12:41 PM

      "I need to find someway to have BJ stop p-21 from blowing Sanguine's head off."
      Anyone wanna speculate on that while we wait for the next chapter?

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    72. KatarnMarch 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM

      @TheLastDefender
      Sanguine will tell us touching story. And P-21 will be like this
      And BJ will try talk him out of it. The end.
      :D

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    73. AnonymousMarch 1, 2012 at 12:51 PM

      @Nopony In Particular
      While I'm sure there's some logical reason for each pony to be in there together, I doubt that "orgy in the test chamber" is one of them. They appear to be strangers from vastly different walks of life, ages, and even species.

      If I had to guess right now, I would suppose that Project Eternity collected an assortment of "volunteers" from various sources.
      * The Angel, a condemned criminal who signed up in favor of execution.
      * Shuuja, a zebra traitor in a society increasingly hostile to anything even remotely zebra, probably forced to choose between this or exile to a Zebratown that wouldn't like her red stripes any better than the rest of Equestria.
      * Twist, choosing to share Shuuja's fate rather than lose her love for the second time.
      * Officer Softheart, fatally wounded by the Angel.
      * Doctor Octopus, mortally injured by some sort of accident during a lecture roughly a year before the apocalypse.
      * Apparently, a foal that we know little about. Possibly Twist's.

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    74. TheLastDefenderMarch 1, 2012 at 12:56 PM

      @Katarn
      I laughed.
      Though now that I think about it they probably need him to clone some new lungs for Scotch.

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    75. RoboRedMarch 1, 2012 at 1:09 PM

      @Fuzzy Porcupine Paws
      I...am SOO far behind on Extra Credits.
      I gotta give that one storyline episode a rewatch sometime, though. (the one with the Star Wars story graph) That was a good one. I find myself thinking about it often.

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum
      Ah...I suppose this explains why all the pudding has gone with the yellow...

      @swicked
      Fav scenes:

      -Glory/Rampage common interests/I hate rampage fan club
      -Littlepip/BJ competition
      -Mint-als/Rampage causing Littlepip panic attack

      Those made me laugh out loud.

      Also, Monty Pyton FTW.

      @Fuzzy Porcupine Paws
      Nifty idea. I'd do it.
      But I'm not sure how many readers you'd be able to grab, and it seems to be mostly the 10-20 something of us doing the repeat comments here.

      @WavemasterRyx
      I had some downtime last night at work, and tried drawing Twilight based on an image a googlesearched from my phone.

      Instinct is telling me to draw off of different poses of different ponies to get a feel for how they're supposed to look, then try my own thing from memory once I feel comfortable.

      If there's one thing I know from the last time I drew something (a long time ago), I need to work on depth/dimension.

      @ketchup504
      *hhnggg*...must...resist...trek-nobabble...explanation...

      @Jacky2734
      I miss Stargate...specifically Atlantis. It reminded me of DS9.

      @Sindri
      Ah...thank you.
      I'll probably just let Somber make the call whether or not and who will initiate contact.

      @Salculd
      I just refer to Somber in third person neutral at all times.
      It avoids gender confusion, and it's kinda fun and challenging to work without pronouns and trying not to do name repeats. (see response to Sindri up above, I had to do a little thinking on that one)

      @Katarn
      Has Somber pony's cutie mark ever been officially established? The picture in Somber's avatar is a blank-flank, and the only other pieces of fanart I've seen have Somber pony's flank covered.

      @WavemasterRyx
      I liked the movie. But then again, I had heard little about it beforehand, wasn't all that impressed with what I did know, and therefore went in with lowered expectations (and I got to see it for free anyways, so meh).

      Also, *d'awwww*...she's adorable, yet could easily kill me at the same time! :D

      @Random Blank
      *headslpode*

      @Nopony In Particular
      Yeah...ch33...
      I'm not going to say much about it, except this.

      You will read it. All of it. And you will revel in the grimdark...
      Yeeeeeessssssssssssss.......

      (DISCLAIMER: Robo has a reading-boner for tragedy, sadfics, and grimdark. Under no circumstances are you required to listen to him and read the entire thing. It's up to you on what you want to read, and if you feel it's too dark to go on. Also, don't feed him if he's in crazy mode, you might just lose your-OH GOD MY HAN-)

      @Kippershy
      Hugz tiem?

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    76. KatarnMarch 1, 2012 at 1:17 PM

      @RoboRed
      http://dotrook.deviantart.com/art/Somber-is-Best-Pony-273978057
      7-th comment

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    77. Random BlankMarch 1, 2012 at 1:38 PM

      @TheLastDefender
      Yes, that would be most unfortunate. He deserves a much slower and more painful death.

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    78. ketchup504March 1, 2012 at 1:43 PM

      @WavemasterRyx
      The Breen created the EMP thingy. They then destroyed the Defiant with it and a fleet of other ships. Thus, the Defiant-A was born from the Sao Paulo.

      Nice Wampage too.

      @Valik
      I like Battlestar Galactica's myself.

      @silentcarto
      On small projectiles: The Panther tank(75mm gun) had an even better chance to penetrate the Sherman than the Tiger(88mm gun), but did less damage due to the round passing through or simply not doing much explosive damage.

      @silentcarto
      UPN screwed Enterprise up a lot. 3 1/2 seasons is not bad though. Cliffhanger on Mirror episode: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

      @Random Blank
      Thanks for those. Interesting because I actually understood most of it.

      @Random Blank
      Sorry, Kkat's are much funnier, and a lot less vulgar, maybe because they aren't all in same place. No solar flares either, why?

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    79. ketchup504March 1, 2012 at 1:50 PM

      @RoboRed
      Am I the only one who payed attention to tech/treknobabble at the age of ten?

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    80. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 1:52 PM

      @Ketchup504

      Yep.

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    81. Overlong Analysis CobaltMarch 1, 2012 at 1:58 PM

      @ketchup504
      Nnnope. You are not the only one.

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    82. Necr0maNceRMarch 1, 2012 at 2:15 PM

      @ketchup504
      I already dropped it.

      @Sindri
      I too enjoy a good debate, and am more concerned with discovering the truth than being right.

      I appreciate the offer to continue this discussion outside this forum, but that won't be necessary. This discussion is already dead and any further debate would seem pointless to me.

      That said, I look forward to the opportunity to debate some other topic with you again in the future.

      @Random Blank
      Please read more carefully in the future.

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    83. ketchup504March 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM

      @Necr0maNceR
      /skyrimguard/ Good, glad we straightened that out.

      @Overlong Analysis Cobalt
      Glad to hear it. :D

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    84. SindriMarch 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM

      @Kim
      Where are you getting your numbers from on that 65% submissive/dominant thing? This is the first I've heard of it, and I'd have expected upbringing and cultural pressures to have much more effect than how they were "wired." (also still not convinced on the subject of pony seasons/heat, but this isn't the time and I don't have any new arguments)

      That said, I definitely agree that there would likely be as many if not more female rapists in the Wastes than male, because of the screwy gender ratio if nothing else. And that's before you consider that ponies have been in a matriarchal society for thousands of years, so the cultural biases and responses would be completely different.


      @silentcarto, re: Enterprise
      So we shouldn't blame him for what he did because it was the execs' fault? By that logic the author should be blamed for any evil acts in any story, becuase the villain didn't have a choice in the matter.

      There's a big difference between a great show that got screwed by the network (Firefly, for example) and a good concept made into a bad show because of executive meddling. The network can take a good show, run the episodes out of order in a terrible timeslot and then cancel it halfway through the season, but the show remains good. If the writers alter things to suit the demands of the funding source, it's likely to stay on the air much longer but the finished product is not what it should be.

      Though I can't honestly judge this specific case because I refuse to watch Enterprise. The few episodes I've seen were pretty terrible, and I have better things to do with my time than sit through a show I don't like just so I can better engage in arguments with trekkies.


      @RoboRed
      Somber said at one point that her cutie mark would probably be a dark cloud, so that's what's used in a lot of the fanart. I personally think she's a blank flank, since she refuses to acknowledge her talent at writing and continues to bemoan how she isn't good at anything.

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    85. Fuzzyhead12March 1, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      mhh sometimes are the comments lager as the storry itself... this time its JUST ONE WORD : EPIC! that its nothing more to say u entered the level of epic there is nothing more.

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    86. ketchup504March 1, 2012 at 2:49 PM

      @Sindri
      "I personally think she's a blank flank, since she refuses to acknowledge her talent at writing and continues to bemoan how she isn't good at anything."

      Maybe her cutie mark should be the word 'Irony' then?

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    87. SindriMarch 1, 2012 at 2:58 PM

      @ketchup504
      Well, you get your mark when you recognize your special talent, right? Like how Sweetie Belle is a very talented singer, but too shy to perform in front of people and such so she keeps looking at whatever Scootaloo points them at or trying to imitate her sister instead of realizing it? (working on the assumption that singing is her talent, as indicated by Fo:E). Same thing with Applebloom and engineering. So Somber is a brilliant writer, and is in fact writing brilliant things as we speak (probably. even though he should be sleeping), she won't get her cutie mark until she recognizes and accepts her talent. And that won't happen for quite some time, because the magic of mental illness tends to prevent Somber from seeing anything but problems.

      Of course that's just my theory. There are a few others floating around, and the dark cloud might be her real cutie mark (she's coaxed tears out of people who hadn't cried in years, and inducing that level of emotion is certainly a talent...), but I doubt it.

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    88. KippershyMarch 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM

      @Necr0maNceR

      http://kipperdipper.tumblr.com/post/18570431948/hey-hey-necro-im-coming-for-you-3

      I found this picture while going through some quite old ones. It's... I don't even know how old, not for certain, though I reckon I was 18 in that picture.

      Thought it'd be funny.


      /crusade crusade crusade/


      /waits for everyone to take me seriously and be intimidated/

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    89. AnonymousMarch 1, 2012 at 4:01 PM

      @ketchup504
      Well, shells are kind of another matter again. For instance, at Leyte Gulf, the destroyers of task unit Taffy 3 were able to make multiple torpedo runs against the Japanese Center Force because the Jap ships were loaded with armor-piercing rounds, and the thin-hulled destroyers didn't offer enough resistance to trigger their fuses!

      @Sindri
      The episode was out of character for him, almost to the point of character assassination. I don't think it's unreasonable to reconcile the contradiction by taking the writers' intent into consideration.

      I have a great many problems with Enterprise, but Archer's morality isn't one of them.

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    90. KippershyMarch 1, 2012 at 4:08 PM

      @RoboRed

      Hugz tiem <3

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    91. RoboRedMarch 1, 2012 at 4:21 PM

      @Katarn
      Ah. I understand now. Thank you.

      @ketchup504
      I can't really say for certain. I didn't become a trekkie until high school.

      I probably might have.

      @Sindri
      "I personally think she's a blank flank, since she refuses to acknowledge her talent at writing and continues to bemoan how she isn't good at anything."

      Eeeeyup...that sounds like Somber...

      @Sindri
      Not me yet, but I would be ecstatic if Somber could get me to cry.

      (ecstatic feeling would come post-cry, of course)

      @Kippershy
      Yay!

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    92. DerpmindMarch 1, 2012 at 4:33 PM

      I had a silly suggestion for Somber's cutie mark earlier. I can't really find it since there are 55 pages of comments, (yikes!) but I think it was like this: Two crossed quills, one whole with black ink on the tip, the other frayed and tipped with blood. It's supposed to be symbolic of how powerful Somber's writing is. Really, whatever Somber's cutie mark would look like, the universal rule of awesomeness demands that it be totally badass. IMO, a dark cloud isn't badass enough.

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    93. KippershyMarch 1, 2012 at 4:33 PM

      @RoboRed

      Jesus that's awesome.
      I've never been any good with pixel art, so I'm always amazed at how people know where to put everything.

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    94. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 5:00 PM

      For the heck of it, I'm just going to do a quick tech comparison between Star Trek and Star Gate.

      Phazers < Asguard Plasma Beams
      Photon Torpedoes < Ancient Drones
      Shielding tech Tossup
      Warp < Subspace Drives and galaxy wide wormhole network
      Hand Phazers > P-90 submachinegun, Zats, Staff Weapons.

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    95. SindriMarch 1, 2012 at 5:40 PM

      @Jacky2734
      Compare the things that are immune to phasers for whatever reason to the things simultaneously immune to flying lead, high voltage, and concussive energy blasts. Heck, zats alone are as good as or better than phasers in every respect other than the latter's ability to be converted into a high-power grenade in a few minutes.

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    96. Nuhvok01March 1, 2012 at 5:51 PM

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum Desperation is the name of my Fleshlight. They are made in Austin. If things here in Houston don't work out, I would love to work for that company. Every male there works in QC testing out the products.

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    97. ketchup504March 1, 2012 at 6:17 PM

      @silentcarto
      Indeed, Sherman tanks had softer steel than German tanks, increasing crew survivability due to the less brittle hull creating less spalling and allowing what you just said about the destroyers.
      I am unaware of this battle, might read about it later.

      @Sindri
      Don't forget about the ability for phasers to be used as a blowtorch or less-lethal weaponry. Good luck with your P90s and G36s doing those. Although, the Borg are susceptible to a holographic Thompson, so that's one edge.

      I don't know much about Stargate other than the things people have told me, so I have no idea what a 'zat' is.

      @RoboRed
      I agree with Kipper, that is some awesome pixel art.

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    98. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 6:25 PM

      @Sindri

      I had to give Star Trek something, They were getting wiped in every tech field.

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    99. KimMarch 1, 2012 at 7:09 PM

      (warning for ramblings, tried and woozy)

      @TheLastDefender I did speculate on it. Sorta heh xP

      @Sindri: I used rough numbers as said. A large (but not overwhelming) majority of males are wired to be dominant, and a large majority of the females are wired to be sub with humans. I can't remember where I picked it up, but it was one of the presentations I do enjoy to watch. Only one I remembered to save was why males (straight and gay) are more sexually attracted to penis over vulva. (it being an optical illusion)

      But anyhow, I took a rough draft of between around 60-70 % for both "majority" and "gender ratio", took the number in between and went with that to make a rough draft. Anyhow, while it's true our environment help mold us allot better then genetics, there is always those with much stronger "wiring". You know as well as I there somewhere out there, there is this badass gang leader that is top alpha, but wants to be on bottom in bed. Dunno where I was going with that but xP

      My point being, this is something that annoys me greatly for some reason. (in all but one FoE side story. Yes, even in the original it ticked me off.) Equestria, (particularity fallout) would be one of the few place where female rapists would be the most common one, even if using "current human female standards". But no, for some reason we were made the docile victims, again. I mean, I can understand it being an alien concept, and people rather stick to what they're used to, but really... what reason would there be for the majority of the mare population to be like "the background ponies" in the show, or current/previous generation of human women? A scene that greatly bugged me in FoE (spoiler warning for those herps that haven't read the original story) was when Pip almost got raped. The raider mare was all "we're in charge here!" then it was all hinted towards "he rapes newcomers", and she stood there like a board, no real indication of even being capable of it.
      ->

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    100. KimMarch 1, 2012 at 7:10 PM

      It wasn't even hinted at that she even had the pair to do it with. (and really, if they now were a pair, why would she be so eager for him to bang others? Yes, I could see some sort of "thing" going on, but she could likely have a similar as well then. She didn't seem like a saint herself.) And only references in the whole story was always only to poor, helpless/innocent mares being violated. (even the freaking mentioned slave/raider mare was about to get raped, by males) As said, especially how it is/was a matriarch. Why would males suddenly take over the whole place, and even if they did, why would the raider mares be goodie four shoes? Kkat hinted at that the ministry mares weren't bricks(?) and had feelings, needs and desires to. So why doesn't any of the raiders? Since either they were all spayed by radiation when they became raiders, (if so, then how does it become more?) or they have some really serious voyurism and harem fetishes, all of them. Since why else would they only and always want to watch the males in the group take turns with the mares they capture? And likely only kills/imprisons the stallions.

      Or do everypony but males have serious commitment issues? (I think would be the term) Where they can only devote their heart to one pony, and can never bear to cheat on them? (While the other, if male, could ofc fuck and rape around however they pleased, but they, they had to devout themselves to a single pony) Since I am honestly not seeing any logical or pleasing answers to the whole thing. And especially going with how common it is for the mares to be raped until something tears and they bleed, and going after raider "mercy" and "humour", I honestly see ruptured erectile tissue as a common injury on males that survive, escape or is "discarded" when they're not fun anymore.

      Anyhow, just used the "heat" as an example. Even if they'd have... something else, there'd still be situations and periods where it would be "safe". Otherwise I just see it as kind of "amazon" style, (unless I completely derped my history check here) that they rape the males for both amusement and to reproduce. And ops... I think I kinda trailed off a bit here ^^'
      But whatever, I hope my few fics should help shed some light on the subject... even if it's kinda focusing on a very small, messed up group instead of the mares as a whole. (And yes, leaving me alone in a room with someone is a very bad idea when I'm not at full (or at least high) mental capacity and stability. Since I can shamefully, but honestly admit that I am both capable and willing to do most of what I write. Even if it makes me feel bad to even think about.)

      @Somber Cutie mark: She has one, she just painted it over since she doesn't want to admit being good at it. ;P

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    101. swickedMarch 1, 2012 at 7:59 PM

      @Kippershy
      @Kim

      You two are fun. I wish I could party with you both :P

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    102. Nuhvok01March 1, 2012 at 7:59 PM

      @Kim Ever read an MLP rape fic called Rarity's Generous Plan? Brutal as hell to read, and I pride my self on being to read most grimdark fics with no strong reaction.

      I think it is still a foreign concept for females to be sexually dominant, and to me each raider "tribe" has their own customs. One tribe might be similar the Flashers where the mares use the stallions like disposable play things, while another tribe might live in relative harmony where both genders are treated as equals, but you might get raped if you show any weakness (like prison).

      This is what I love about every fandom: theory crafting and over-analysis on small details the creators never really intended to expand upon.

      If I ever visit Sweden and am sexually assaulted by a woman, I think I will have a good idea on who it was...

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    103. ketchup504March 1, 2012 at 8:15 PM

      Mmk... Drifting back to Star Trek from *another* rape discussion, my brother just told me that Parasprites are a lot like Tribbles. What do you guys think?

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    104. Nuhvok01March 1, 2012 at 8:44 PM

      @ketchup504 Same thing yeah.

      "Oh look, an adorable animal. Let me distribute it to other people *Some time later* Oh god they are everywhere!"

      Never sure how it happens, but Kim always ends up on the path to Rapeville. She has a fascination with females raping guys, and I always join in on the convo because I never miss the chance to talk about insane topics. I think Kim would love taking a college course in psychology/human sexuality; I bet her term paper would be rape related.

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    105. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 1, 2012 at 8:59 PM

      "Phazers < Asguard Plasma Beams
      Photon Torpedoes < Ancient Drones
      Shielding tech Tossup
      Warp < Subspace Drives and galaxy wide wormhole network
      Hand Phazers > P-90 submachinegun, Zats, Staff Weapons."

      OKAY I can totally jump in this boat!!!

      Lemme see, here is a little more of a breakdown

      Phazors - well looks like these have a variable setting, making them the useful Deus Ex Machina tool for small situations, like cutting torch, heating a rock, blowing up a 50 meter radius, and on ship mounted models capable of decimating entire cities. Now the example used in here for star gate would be the Asgard Plasma weapon, built specifically to penetrate the shields of and destroy an Ori ship, which at the time had the most powerful type of ship scaled shield. Given the lack of data on just how much power this puts out, other than a small group of Ori Vessels engaging a joint fleet of several Milkyway vessels ranging from the Asgard's O'Neil Class star ship(at the time the most advanced combat vessel at the Asgard's disposal) 2 of Earth's Daedalus class, one powered by a zero point module, sever Jaffa commanded Hat'tak and three Lucian Alliance Commanded Hat'tak. The Joint fleet, although outnumbering the Ori ships, were almost wiped out in their entirety, in less than 10 minutes of fighting with no damages on their side. This conclusion of The Beam weapon vs phaser puts the advantage to the beam weapon. with city block damages on the phaser's side, consider the Naquadria bomb mark 8 or "Gatebuster" an explosion which generates enough energy which can be converted to a field to compress an entire planet to the density of a black hole.
      For explosive types, the photon torpedo uses a matter antimatter reaction to create a massive explosion, the ancient drone weapon is a semi intelligent seeking type explosive weapon, when fired the drone is actually guided by the user's mind and can and will avoid oncoming fire and debris. Theories indicate that drone weapons utilize some kind of phase technology since they can bypass shielding and even seek out critical systems to hit. Note One fired drone weapon destroyed an entire Hattak vessel which is roughly the size of the great pyramid and made almost entirely of Naquadah.
      then again using matter antimatter weaponry, the dreadnought could destroy a small moon, red matter could create a singularity upon ignition, and so on and so fourth . THe advantage of explosive type weapons goes to star trek

      Sheilds, I am unable to procure sufficient data on respective shields, I do know this, The strongest federation shielding can last in the corona of a sun for several days, if I recall from what I asked a real Trekkie, In comparison, a Hat'tak vessel with standard shields, which would be the weakest of capitol ships in stargate, could last 8 hours in the corona of a sun with no ill effects on normal humans, jaffa and goa'uld longer. in Universe the Destiny could actually dive into a star to take nuclear fuel, provided it was a red dwarf. it was also capable of making a run through a blue giant star requiring the evacuation of crew and diversion of full power to shields and no lifesupport. not including city-ship atlantis which sheild are of scale to cover up to 1/3 of the surface of an earth sized planet and still repel the energy emission of a solar flare.

      advantage, Stargate, Star Trek has some great shielding but those fail to function in a nebula, whereas stargate type ships pass through nebula with no ill effects

      tb continued

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    106. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 1, 2012 at 9:02 PM

      @Jacky2734


      OKAY I can totally jump in this boat!!!

      Lemme see, here is a little more of a breakdown

      Phazors - well looks like these have a variable setting, making them the useful Deus Ex Machina tool for small situations, like cutting torch, heating a rock, blowing up a 50 meter radius, and on ship mounted models capable of decimating entire cities. Now the example used in here for star gate would be the Asgard Plasma weapon, built specifically to penetrate the shields of and destroy an Ori ship, which at the time had the most powerful type of ship scaled shield. Given the lack of data on just how much power this puts out, other than a small group of Ori Vessels engaging a joint fleet of several Milkyway vessels ranging from the Asgard's O'Neil Class star ship(at the time the most advanced combat vessel at the Asgard's disposal) 2 of Earth's Daedalus class, one powered by a zero point module, sever Jaffa commanded Hat'tak and three Lucian Alliance Commanded Hat'tak. The Joint fleet, although outnumbering the Ori ships, were almost wiped out in their entirety, in less than 10 minutes of fighting with no damages on their side. This conclusion of The Beam weapon vs phaser puts the advantage to the beam weapon. with city block damages on the phaser's side, consider the Naquadria bomb mark 8 or "Gatebuster" an explosion which generates enough energy which can be converted to a field to compress an entire planet to the density of a black hole.
      For explosive types, the photon torpedo uses a matter antimatter reaction to create a massive explosion, the ancient drone weapon is a semi intelligent seeking type explosive weapon, when fired the drone is actually guided by the user's mind and can and will avoid oncoming fire and debris. Theories indicate that drone weapons utilize some kind of phase technology since they can bypass shielding and even seek out critical systems to hit. Note One fired drone weapon destroyed an entire Hattak vessel which is roughly the size of the great pyramid and made almost entirely of Naquadah.
      then again using matter antimatter weaponry, the dreadnought could destroy a small moon, red matter could create a singularity upon ignition, and so on and so fourth . THe advantage of explosive type weapons goes to star trek

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    107. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 1, 2012 at 9:03 PM

      Sheilds, I am unable to procure sufficient data on respective shields, I do know this, The strongest federation shielding can last in the corona of a sun for several days, if I recall from what I asked a real Trekkie, In comparison, a Hat'tak vessel with standard shields, which would be the weakest of capitol ships in stargate, could last 8 hours in the corona of a sun with no ill effects on normal humans, jaffa and goa'uld longer. in Universe the Destiny could actually dive into a star to take nuclear fuel, provided it was a red dwarf. it was also capable of making a run through a blue giant star requiring the evacuation of crew and diversion of full power to shields and no lifesupport. not including city-ship atlantis which sheild are of scale to cover up to 1/3 of the surface of an earth sized planet and still repel the energy emission of a solar flare.

      advantage, Stargate, Star Trek has some great shielding but those fail to function in a nebula, whereas stargate type ships pass through nebula with no ill effects

      tb continued

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    108. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

      okay now for travel

      warp vs hyperspace and wormhole

      well... even this is not a toss up at all... warp exceeds the speed of light, but it does not come close to the speeds hyperspace travel allows, which in the case of intergalactic drives, allows for the travel time of 3 weeks between galaxies,

      borg on the other hand have wormhole drive esque things, as does atlantis, then again one just can't beat stepping into a gate and rematerializing 1.6 seconds later on the other side of the galaxy.

      Hand weapons!
      oh everyone loves to play with the hand weapons, while the phasor is highly versatile its hard to beat slug throwers when you're fighting a race of creatures capable of filtering out the energy frequency of your weapon. Zats stun on first shot, kill with the second, and vaporise on the third... does this sound familiar? yes it does, you see the three main settings for a phasor are just that, stun, kill and vaporize... there are other settings too, but not much detail is put in... so as far as energy weapons go, the phaser holds the edge in hand weapon versatility. but there is just a massive amount of weapons on either show which we don't really discuss, honestly a jaffa staff weapon, while capable of blowing up rocks to dust really just aren't weapons of war, they are for show and are weapons of terror. the wrist mounted staff blasters on the supersoldiers is the example of the war weapon application as it is rapidfire and not for show. the staff weapon doubles as a blunt melee weapon

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    109. ketchup504March 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM

      @Nuhvok01
      Kim's WOTs are interesting to read. She has a very... unique view of things.

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum
      Nice analysis. Not all phasers are the same, however, as other factions use them, as well as the Federation. We will never know how standardized they are.
      The portrayed power of photon torpedoes vary from appearance to appearance. Quantum torpedoes are also variable. They are both capable of guided operation as well.

      But, as you seem focused on Fed tech, the phasers don't matter. Photons are never really consistent, neither are Quantums.

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    110. ketchup504March 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

      @ketchup504
      Oh yeah, and nice mention of the Cardassian Dreadnought missle. it was also equipped with Quantum torpedoes and energy weapons, in addition to it's huge payload.

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    111. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 9:28 PM

      When I compared Drones and Photon Torpedoes, I was comparing guided long range munitions. Now the PTs are easily deflected by proper shielding from a single ship while a drone swarm is practically unstoppable and can destroy entire fleets, not to mention that they're possibly reusable.

      In terms of raw destructive power, the torpedoes win, but in terms of actual combat effectiveness, The drones win hands down.

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    112. MichaelJAWMarch 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM

      Has somebody mentioned Ronon Dex's guns yet? I'm pretty sure they're they win the arms race. :D

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    113. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 9:32 PM

      also, they retconned the Zats ability to disintegrate stuff, so it's no longer canon.

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    114. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 9:36 PM

      @MichaelJAW

      It's got two settings, stun and kill.
      It's basically a glorified zat.

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    115. Necr0maNceRMarch 1, 2012 at 9:47 PM

      @Kippershy
      Ha! That's funny.

      On an somewhat unrelated note, it seems that whatever forum I go to, people eventually start referring to me as Necro. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with it, I just thought it was interesting. Apparently Necro is universally considered short for necromancer, or something.

      @Nuhvok01
      "Ever read an MLP rape fic called Rarity's Generous Plan? Brutal as hell to read, and I pride my self on being to read most grimdark fics with no strong reaction."

      I'm not sure if I would consider that a thing to be proud of.

      ---

      ANYWAYS, time for something completely unrelated.

      Here are several errors I found when I was looking through dialogue in Project Horizons:

      Ch 14: An old spark lantern flickered besides her.

      -Should be beside

      Ch 14: Leo turned to run without another word, but the everypony else just watched her.

      -Remove "the".

      Ch 15: Glory had looked scared and not elaborated.

      -didn’t elaborate.

      Ch 18: I couldn’t imagine Rampage not trying to drown herself. “We’ll need some rope or chain or something. If she’s alive, we can’t leave her down there.” I said, wondering how deep the water-filled pit was. We’d need rope... no! Maybe chain. Ugh, I had neither.

      -You repeated yourself with the rope and chain.

      Ch 20: “So she gets off easily…” P-21 muttered.

      “And be tormented eternally in the Hell,” Priest finished.

      -Do you mean “And is tormented eternally in Hell,”?

      Ch 21: ”You just woke up from passing out after having a ship fall on you, and from your pulse you’ve taken at least another Buck! Why don’t you just stay here and do something radical, like rest?”

      -Do you mean rational?

      Ch 22: “Well… carry on…” I smiled as I closed my eyes with a wry smile.

      -You said smile twice. Try "I said, smiling wryly as I closed my eyes."

      Ch 25: “Fortunately, Twilight Sparkle proved infinitely more open to the possibilities of transforming ponies into alicorns.” His eyes turned to Lacunae, his glowing pink eyes swirling with speculation.

      -Eyes was said twice in the same sentence. Try "His glowing pink eyes swirled with speculation as they turned to Lacunae." or something.

      Ch 26: “Depends on how specific you way to get. You could start with ‘abdomen’ or ‘amygdala’.”

      -want to get.

      Hope that helps.

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    116. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 9:58 PM

      @Necr0maNceR

      @Possible Chptr 21 error
      Nope. She meant radical. As in it would be radical if she did something rational.

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    117. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 1, 2012 at 10:05 PM

      @Jacky2734

      well if the drone is not destroyed in its use then it will return to its launch point... drones act as pile drivers until they can't pile drive no more and just explode

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    118. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 1, 2012 at 10:09 PM

      @Jacky2734

      Umm actually if you go ans watch episode called 1969? I think well it is when they are sent back to the cold war by a solar flare

      anyway, O'Neil uses the Zat to disintegrate SG1's weapons and supplies because of its advanced technology causing a possible disruption to things... also when the wormholes extreme episode is out, Mallozie's character mentions that the "Side arms" have three settings and can evaporate on the third shot, so if you got retcon on it, then there must have been some serious episodic redaction done...

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    119. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 10:10 PM

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum

      Exactly.

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    120. ketchup504March 1, 2012 at 10:11 PM

      @ketchup504
      Well looks like this is in the Drawfriend. I had no idea. lol.

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    121. OtherunicornMarch 1, 2012 at 10:14 PM

      @Somber
      Having killer sinus problems myself, all I can say is I hope you get better soon, and thank you for putting in all this time and effort to write something so we can read it.

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    122. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 1, 2012 at 10:15 PM

      @Necr0maNceR

      we call you necro because it is the shortened version of your name... nothing to do with universality and then you have to consider this: no one wants to write out ' Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum ' anytie they refer to me, they usually just say 'Admiral'...

      Overlong Analysis Cobalt is OAC

      so honestly it is just because we are lazy as writers...

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    123. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 10:17 PM

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum

      They brought it back for that one episode as a cheap and dirty way of making sure they didn't leave any of their tech behind. It was never used again for any other reason, even in situation where it would have been very useful.

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    124. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

      @MichaelJAW

      No one mentioned the Magnum Blaster... it is however already covered by the zat, but it has the extra benefit of blowing a hole in steel...

      although, I likes me the plasma repeaters... it's like chow chow chow chow chow.... and pew pew pew

      anywho, the zat has the cool feature of using a liquid naquadah power cell which will generally power a weapon for a very very very long time... so while the Magnum blaster is cool to look at and has nice damage, the fact that its power cell does need eventual recharging kinda puts it as a downer...

      besides zats look like snakes and shoot electricity all star wars style...

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    125. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 1, 2012 at 10:21 PM

      @Jacky2734

      nah its canon now since it is in episode can you post the whole evidence part on your part to say it does not do that?

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    126. KippershyMarch 1, 2012 at 10:32 PM

      @swicked

      D'awwwwwww. Thanks :D

      @Necr0maNceR

      Generally, yeah. Necro to most people I know would be considered the shortened version of necromancer (if they already knew the longer name) because of ease.

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum

      Personally, I'd call you admiral rum.
      because I like the sound of that better.

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    127. Jacky2734March 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM

      @Admiral Stoic "El Cazador" Rum

      Link to Stargate Tech Wiki entry. Scroll down to the entry for the Zat. It's the third sentence.

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    128. O. HindsMarch 1, 2012 at 10:45 PM

      @Necr0maNceR
      Ah, thank you.

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    129. beyondxhorizonsMarch 2, 2012 at 2:02 AM

      Oh man. Getting the Project Horizons itch something fierce. WANT IT NEED IT REALLY LIKE ITS MANE!

      I totally get why it's been delayed, but it doesn't change my withdrawals! At least this delay didn't happen after chapters 32 or 33. The suspense would truly be murdering me then. Right now I just WANTWANTWANT.

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    130. WavemasterRyxMarch 2, 2012 at 2:20 AM

      @Random Blank
      Yeah, she really ended up looking more like Twist than I'd intended... Blame it on the fact that I completely blanked on her stripes until the last second, and that I didn't feel up to drawing a braided tail at all...

      @Sindri
      Cute enough for people to ignore just how terrible the picture really turned out. *thumbs up*
      I really owe her a better picture once I feel better...

      @silentcarto
      Actually I believe we had some kind of Star Wars RPG book that we got some ideas out of... but that could have been for the second version of the SCD&D... honestly I really don't remember it too well... But yeah it had some pretty decent combat rules from what I vaguely remember.
      I absolutely loved the reboot movie, as far as Star Trek movies go, it's tied for 1st with Wrath of Khan and First Contact to me.
      Thank you, heh, and "Search" pffff. *falls over laughing*

      @RoboRed
      That sounds like an excellent way to get started, I wish you the best of luck, sir!
      And yeah, Atlantis was really great...

      I heard people whining non-stop about it before I went to see the 2009 movie, maybe it made me a little more determined to try and enjoy it? Heh. I was sold straight from the opening sequence, so much explosions.
      And thank you heh.

      @ketchup504
      Yeah the Breen were total jerks like that, and thank you too, sir.
      Oh the Enterprise Mirror episode - I loved that episode except for one tinsy tiny nit-pick. Hoshi should have called herself "Emperor" in the end, not "Empress" - since the later infers that the power belongs to whoever she chooses to marry, not to her.

      @Sindri
      "I personally think she's a blank flank, since she refuses to acknowledge her talent at writing and continues to bemoan how she isn't good at anything." - I agree with you a lot, but especially so on this.
      I'd probably end up a blank-flank too... since my cutie mark certainly isn't in art.

      Hah oh my... all this discussion of Star Trek vs Stargate... I think I'll step down now and let you pros duke things out heh.

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    131. RoboRedMarch 2, 2012 at 2:24 AM

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    132. RoboRedMarch 2, 2012 at 2:26 AM

      @beyondxhorizons

      Reason for delay: Sick Somber suffering stupid sinus pains (ALLITERATION), and being a hop, skip, and a jump away from a nasty case of Cellulitis.

      I don't blame you though. I too eagerly await the next update. (but not at the cost of Somber's health...you rest up now, ya' hear!?)

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    133. RoboRedMarch 2, 2012 at 2:33 AM

      @WavemasterRyx

      Thank you. I'll do my best! ^_^

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    134. Stephen CawkingMarch 2, 2012 at 3:11 AM

      @Kim

      Sounds to me like you'd feel right at home in Stable 99.

      No, but really, if the only thing standing between you and rape is your current 'mental capacity,' then you need to seek help immediatey. Cause you're ill.

      I'm a little appaled that people can go in a Horizons comments thread of all places, and still treat girl on guy rape so lightly.

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    135. SindriMarch 2, 2012 at 5:14 AM

      @ketchup504
      Zats are a Goa'uld sidearm-type weapon. The first shot stuns a target for several minutes (or delivers an effect equivalent to a powerful electric shock if inanimate), a second shot to someone currently stunned kills them, and a third shot disintegrates the body/object. Like a phaser, they can be used to light fires, destroy small objects without evidence, etc. They cannot be set to overload and self-destruct like a phaser can, but the SGC covers for this oversight by issuing real grenades, which don't require tinkering for a few minutes to start or destroying the only weapon any of the heroes ever bother to carry. Meanwhile the P-90 uses flying bits of metal to kill things very efficiently, making it very difficult to resist, while at leats half of the opponents in star trek are immune to phasers for one reason or another.


      @Kim
      I'd guess that the dominant/submissive thing you observed is more of a cultural artifact than anything genetic or inherent. For much of recorded history, in "civilized" nations at least, women have been viewed as passive (soft, sensitive, empathetic, kind, etc.) and men have been viewed as aggressive (strong, emotionally simplistic, tough, logical, etc.). The intersexual dynamic tended to consist of a male seeking out a partner, while the female presents herself and then either accepts or rejects his advances. That's why even today, a promiscuous male tends to be viewed by outsiders as a successful "stud" while a promiscuous female tends to be viewed by outsiders as a weak "slut."

      In pony society, matriarchy has been the norm for thousands of years. There seems to be no expectation for males to defend females, and for that matter if there was there wouldn't be enough stallions to go around. While we haven't seem much of pony courtship, what we have seen appears to be either a very equitable affair or even dominated by mares (which would make sense; the smaller numbers of males would likely make them "targets" rather than "hunters").

      Thus, whether we assume a typical rape to be a display of misogyny/misandry and "dominance" over the opposite sex, or simply the typical pursuit of a mate taken to violent and evil extremes, it seems likely that female ponies would be significantly more likely to commit the crime. Combine this with the significant female majority overal, and almost all rapists ought to be mares.

      This is one of the ways in which Somber's story is much more realistic than Kkat's; between the Flashers and 99 there are several examples of female on male attack, while every case that was mentioned or even implied in the original Fo:E was the standard, expected variety which really doesn't fit the setting.

      ...not that I enjoy that particular bit of realism (and in fact would be happy to just gloss over the topic like the Fallout games did), but it is a realistic feature of the wasteland, and Somber writes about it better than Kkat did.


      @ketchup504
      Yeah, parasprtites are basically flying tribbles with faces, even higher reproductive rates, and problems with the law of conservation of mass.

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    136. SindriMarch 2, 2012 at 5:14 AM

      Aside: Tribbles (and paraspites) reproduce asexually. So each should basically be a clone of its parent, right? But they're all different colors, and tribbles come in widely varying sizes too. So they must have an extremely high rate of mutation. Meaning that it's not long before we run into the giant, fire-breathing, man-eating tribble.


      @MichaelJAW
      Ronon's pistol is like a zat on stun or like a staff weapon on kill. Shiny, and decentlt powerful, but not as versitile or efficient as a lot of other weapons. A zat is lighter, concealable, and doesn't run out of ammo. There are huge numbers of firearms that are more accurate, have better fire rates, and affect the many opponents resistant to energy weapons. It's great for intimidation, and good against wraith in the hands of a skilled wielder (harder to regenerate a big burnt hole than a bunch of little bullet wounds), but there are many better weapons.


      @Jacky2734
      Just because the didn't use it doesn't mean it doesn't exist unless they officially declared it to not have such capabilities. I would also like to point out that the retcon is the only statement in that paragraph without a citation; I'm perfectly willing to believe that the writers decided not to use that feature for narritive purposes, or even that the SGC forbade use of it due to a lack of understanding of how it worked (and the high possibility of a very bad reaction given the energy content of some of the things they encounter regularly), but I don't remember a single mention of not having that ability in the fifteen years of stargate I watched and I cannot find any official declaration of such in external material.


      @Wavemaster
      ...
      Okay, look at that last sentence you wrote responding to me. Then look at the quote from me directly preceeding it. Then facehoof.


      @Stephan Cawking
      If I recall correctly, Kim has admitted to being "ill" as you put it on multiple occassions. And I can't think of a more appropriate place to discuss such things, given the level of screwed up that a lot of us possess and the subject matter at hand.

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    137. DoctorkabaMarch 2, 2012 at 5:19 AM

      @Sindri

      *about tribbles*
      That is assuming that they do produce asexually by the laws and theorems we know so far. They are alien creatures, so they could be exhibiting a function that we do not yet know of.

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    138. KimMarch 2, 2012 at 6:26 AM

      @swicked Currently, I wouldn't recommend it xP

      @Nuhvok: I have, and I had several complains on illogical parts of it. Such as complete impotence/numbness, and yet hyper over sensitivity on another area on Dash for no apparent reason. And how to punish a prissy super straight girl? Have her done by every MALE in town ofc. It had potential to be really grimdark and "rough", but if fell flat on several occasions whether it was ooc or illogical parts.

      But yes, I can see it being strange for most people to think as. (heck, many I know doesn't even believe males can be raped. Most of those changed their mind when I got... "graphical" thou...) But you have to think outside the box here, this is not earth or human standards. The Flashers were both a good, and a bad thing. They were good in the sense they existed, but that was also their problem. Since they were "the crazy mares", a small large group of fanatic (is that a good word?) mares that broke the norm of whom did the raping. Basically, it's "if you're a mare, watch out for rapists or gangs ANYWHERE, if male, then just be careful around Flasher territory. I know it was hinted at some parts to be done by mares in PH at least, can't remember a single instance in FoE... but point being, both major times it's been in more fucked up, extreme cases.

      And inside the tribes, then yeah, I can see relative harmony. But the point being, if they'd capture a mare, (and the tribe did rape) she'd get violated by both bucks and mares. And if they'd get a stallion, he'd get molested by the mares and bucks... most likely mainly the mares thou. (as said, females have a much higher and can even naturally adjusts to homosexuality. (explained a bit in that one video I remembered to save the link to) And not to brag(?), but, I'm quite sure most of you might have experienced the difference of female revenge to male revenge? Males are rather superficial and direct by nature. Females strikes where it hurts indirectly, we take our time... physical wounds heal, and if you die, you cannot suffer from them. We tear you apart mentally, we leave deep traumatic scars on purpose, not as a "side effect" of physical violence. Give me some time, a desolate location and victims, and the one most mentally violated, depressed or suicidal would be the one that had no physical harm on them. Wounds heal, scars last forever, reminding you of the horrors that happened...

      And if going short term, long lasting torture wise. (genital wise, that wouldn't require extensive knowledge or difficult tools. Going with the most harsh versions.) On a female, you could: injure her vagina, making her "unable" (she could, but would hurt like fuck) to have sex or rape another for several days. Crush or tear of the clit, removing the most intense and useful sexual pleasure. Or make her pregnant (if going by human standards: very low chance in general, if going with heat cycles: very high chance, still not foolproof however due to miscarriage chance, specially in the wastes) On a male, you could: Make him infertile, different methods would be more or less painful. Rape him sore, unable to (like with females) have sex without great pain and difficulty. Or, rupture the erectile tissue, making him impotent till he found a doctor. (and glhf with that.) healing potion or hydra might be able to heal a few of these if lucky, but yeah... finding or having access to that when being held captive and raped? ... yeah... (and ofc universal for both genders: having the plothole wrecked.)

      And well... *cough* if that happened, I'd need to have a very good reason for it. It's partly what's currently keeping me from it. Would have to be against someone that deserved it.

      @Ketchup: What's a WOT? Derp.
      ->

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    139. KimMarch 2, 2012 at 6:26 AM

      And fak... I think I lost it a little ^^' (just a bit xD)

      @Stephen: Actually not, it wouldn't be "balanced" enough. The males there never had a chance at anything. They're not "fair" victims imo (if I were a 99 mare, then I'd likely have a different mentality thou) I'd likely be like Pepper in my fic, cept without the "ew..." parts, those were just added for.. not sure, to make it worse I guess heh. So yeah, a more kind Pepper, still equally mentally twisted and odd fetishes xD But keep in mind there's quite a large difference on wanting to rape and wanting to "rape". See it a bit as Velvet, she doesn't kill ponies, but she gladly decapitates raiders as she doesn't see them as ponies. Yet she avoids killing murderous things such as hellhounds, despite that one of them slashed her leg of... okay, that example only made half sense xP


      You're underestimating my mental capacity ;P But yeah, I would need help. Sadly, psychologists/psychiatrists are in short supply. And so far they've only seen keen on discussing my "suicidal tendencies", which I just find utterly stupid. I've never had any. There's a difference on "wanting to die" and "not wanting to live".

      In either case, I also find it quite disturbing. Then again, I can't recall them treating male on female rape much harder... then again, I don't remember anything of it xP But yeah, I find it a bit like being treated as filly Rampage, everyone going "Oh you." until she starts to tear out organs.

      @Sindri: It is more cultural yes, but we are still biologically wired. Most of this can technically be trained off. But there's always a few with extra "strong" wiring. And imo, that's likely cuz somewhere among the timeline, males simply took the role of leader. There's some tribe in... somewhere, an island I think where the females sometime in history took control. And off the tribes living there, theirs is the most successful. And males there are "girly" (by our standards) The women got short hair, are rather "butch" overall and in charge. So it really seems to be how we're raised. We females are raised to be more caring and soft. If a baby girl starts to make non-crying noises, she is silenced. If a baby boy makes the same noises, parents encourage it to start making more/louder ones.
      And that is also likely due to how we've built our society.
      ->

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    140. KimMarch 2, 2012 at 6:26 AM

      Males "earn/conquer"females, you are the ones making "advances" to get to breed with us. A female can much easily then a male just proclaim in a bar: "Anyone want to fuck me?" and succeed with it due to how our standard are set, there's no challenge for her. In the wasteland, if a mare had pummelled ex: 5 stallions into submission and raped them until she could leave them in a curled up weeping pile, do you think her fellow mares would call her "loose" or a "slut"? In "current" (not FoE) Equestria, I kinda see the opposite as for us, if there's 7 girls and 3 guys, males would likely be seen as sluts if they slept around as they were the "minority". Since really, if there's 30 males and 70 females in a night club, how hard do you think a male would have to try to get laid? (if they wouldn't play hard on the "marriage first" that seems to be forced on by the Hub/Lauren. Still doubt most ponies would follow that thou) Compared to us, the chance of doing a "Who wants to fuck me?" would be reversed in Equestria. A mare that managed to get laid with several guys would be impressive, while a guy just sticking his cock into anything would just be a weak slut with no self control. At least, that's my theory. (and yeah, I know logic wise a male can impregnate several females, and a female can max be impregnated by a number of males as she currently has eggs, and then it would be quite rare for multiple fathers even.)

      But yeah, as said. Males would be MUCH more likely targets by some tribes if they'd be after offspring. Since even in the wastes, I'm guessing they'd be aware of inbreeding. And just to go back to the tissue issue: (xP) "Breaking" other tribes males could likely be a sport for some as it would ruin (or at least severely make it harder) for the other tribe to have more foals. Crippling their numbers over time.

      *Yay* Someone understands my point, and/or explains it better then me xP And just to trail of a bit: Even if it's hard to pin-point if they have seasons or whatnot, if they'd have heat: I'm just seeing a sort of "Left for breeding" scenario. Fertile (and healthy enough) mares hunting down males to mate with... okay, being a male during (if they now had heat) that time, it would be really not appealing... as they'd likely be beat down, tied up and brought to back for repetitive rape by the whole tribe. Or if single mare: Kept captive until he managed to inseminate her... which shouldn't be that long going with the high chance for heat mammals. Still, would likely be kept as a toy for a few weeks at least.

      But yeah, even if it's not as "much" as I'd prefer, I still like it more then Kkats as it actually EXISTS. Even if only in "organized crime gangs".

      Anyhow, as said, Somber is free to write "better" about it. As Kkats story had to focus around Pip.

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    141. swickedMarch 2, 2012 at 8:15 AM

      @Kim
      My threat recognition capabilities are pretty much non-existent but I don't think, if you knew me, you would find me much of a target, if one at all.

      Also:
      I not-so-secretly hope your P-21 story has the group constantly coming across female rapists with P-21 exclaiming "Where the hell are they coming from?! They weren't here a second ago!"

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    142. Admiral Stoic "Crusader" RumMarch 2, 2012 at 8:32 AM

      ... i suggest reading up on horse herding habits...

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    143. Free CoffeeMarch 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM

      @Kim
      What's interesting is that there are more women than men in almost every part of the world. Yet a woman is still looked down on for bedding multiple men. I think this is partially due to a woman actually running the risk of becoming pregnant when she has sex. Also that a moman will play a more submissive role in it, most of the time, and is often at the mercy of the man.

      Maybe if you lived in a society where females were the "dominant gender" these roles could be at least partially reversed, but the girl is still the one taking the risk. Furthermore, the society FO:E and PH take place in doesn't seem to favor females over males. Yes, there are more mares, but in a land where raw physical power is more usefull than being smart, a stallion has the upper hand. Plus, many of the authoritative figures are male (red eye, big daddy). FO:E takes place in either a patriarchal society or a gender neutral society.

      Jeus christ, why am I arguing over horse breeding, this is probobly the most pointless argument ever. XD

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    144. KatarnMarch 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM

      @Random Blank
      Little Slowpoke answer to your "Littlepip style curses"
      http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/a7/8f/a78fa4_2337236.jpg

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    145. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

      @silentcarto
      I have no idea who the Angel or Officer Softheart yet. Or project Eternity. So umm, thanks for minor spoilers(yes i know spoilers in comments)

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    146. KimMarch 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM

      @swicked I don't see many as "targets" tbh. I however see many as "could do" ;P

      And the P-21 story is based around his first years as a bucktoy, being introduced to "crazy mare", "kind, but crazy mare" and "oh goddess! that doesn't go in there! mare"


      @Admiral: I could counter that with "Go read up on primate herding/group habits", then apply that to humans. The whole SENTIENT part changes allot. Especially since it allows the females to be on top. If you take a "normal" animal, females can't rape as they are required to be penetrated... okay, not seahorses or hyenas, but that is beside the point xD But being sentient gives you a whole new spectrum to that, suddenly the option to pin a male and MAKE them penetrate you is available.

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    147. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

      @Everyone commenting

      You guys are making laugh with topics of Star Trek, and rape(looks at Kim) and everything else that's either vaguely Project Horizons related or (apparently) completely unrelated.

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    148. AnonymousMarch 2, 2012 at 9:23 AM

      @Jacky2734
      Some interesting meditations on Star Trek weapons technology:
      http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Ground/index.html
      Specifically, click Details for Star Trek small arms.

      @ketchup504
      Oh, absolutely! I don't think anyone could argue that tribbles weren't an inspiration.

      @WavemasterRyx
      I can't take credit for the "four 'Star' franchises" thing. It was a quote by Comic Book Guy on The Simpsons.

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    149. AnonymousMarch 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

      I noticed a few minor comma errors this morning, too.

      Ch. 18:
      "...what is it momma? Did I sing bad?"
      -it, momma?

      Ch. 23:
      "A long boring-ass hallway."
      -long, boring-ass

      "She had reasons to lie, and, unlike with most ponies, hers were actually valid."
      -and unlike most ponies,

      "The scars on Goldenblood’s hide had healed, somewhat, but his metallic eyes had lost none of their conviction."
      -had healed somewhat,

      "Imagine dozens, or hundreds of princesses fighting on our side!"
      -dozens or hundreds

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    150. AnonymousMarch 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM

      @Katarn
      Broken link.

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    151. AnonymousMarch 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

      @Nopony In Particular
      If you're hoping to avoid spoilers, you better stop reading comments right the hell now. There's WAY bigger ones than Rampage's components getting tossed around.

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    152. KimMarch 2, 2012 at 9:37 AM

      @WaffleSmart That's cuz you get yourself killed in stupid accidents xP More males are born then women. We just live longer and are... well, "encouraged" by our parents to not kill ourself with "activities". (not trying to be sexist, but you guys do really have a lead in getting yourselves killed by being "far to brave"... that, and war. Erh, anyhow, back to the point. That is cuz our societies are male dominant, and we have a gender norm and whatnot.

      And unless you hadn't noticed, Equestira is a matriarch place (or was for 1000+ of years) almost ALL stables had an OverMARE. Redeye and Big Daddy can technically be compared to our worlds ex: "Amazon leaders", or the queen of England. They exist, but are far from as common. Don't forget the Professor was equally part of Big Daddy's "party". There is nothing that points towards that every single pony after the apocalypse went "Hey! Lets make males the leaders of this new world! Derp!" At best, I could accept a gender neutral. Aka: "The one with the power/caps leads". Plus, your "being strong" is a very bad comparison. Since firstly, you indicate that males are dumber then females, seconds you indicate that females are allot weaker then males. For all the little I know about equines, it's that both are about the same size, same physical qualities, but the males weight a bit more. Not to mention, guns>melee. So what if you can lift 100 ibs more then that other pony? Won't help you with a hole in your head. Raw tactical advantage and strategy would win in most cases. Apart from "random encounter between two melee groups". The sand dogs would make a good example here. A brute group would barge through and get killed. One that valued tactic more would look for traps, as BJ's group did. And I don't even know where I am going there, but I should stop as I feel as if I'm coming of sexist ^^' (and I hate doing that when kinda trying to do the opposite)
      But point being, a stallion wouldn't have much of an upper hand at all. If anything, if we go human standards here, the female would be more agile and have a better chance of being in good health.

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    153. KatarnMarch 2, 2012 at 9:39 AM

      @silentcarto
      Oops, my bad...
      http://kzp.in/files/67/0e844841.jpg

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    154. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 10:09 AM

      @silentcarto
      Of course there are. It's just that I like the comments, don't mind spoilers, and have avoided most anyways.

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    155. Free CoffeeMarch 2, 2012 at 10:21 AM

      @Kim

      You may have a point there. Males probably aren't stronger than females in this case, (I don't remember saying they were dumber than them though). Equestria was once definitely a matriarchal society, but at this point, with two of the biggest leaders in the wasteland being Male, it seems to be gender neutral. I still think the point applies about sex being much more dangerous for a woman though, if she isn't careful, she could end up with a child. And it's not easy to have a child when you're in a post apocalyptic wasteland.

      And yeah, in no way am I trying to come off as sexist either, it's easy to sound like that when you're talking about these sorts of things :p

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    156. O. HindsMarch 2, 2012 at 10:28 AM

      @Silentcarto:
      Ah, thank you. I don't think that the "with most ponies" is incorrect, though, and I left "dozens, or hundreds" as a stylistic choice.

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    157. Overlong Analysis CobaltMarch 2, 2012 at 10:36 AM

      @Kim
      Regarding male strength:
      -I do think it's a factor for ponies, since the male ones tend to be larger and bulkier (alicorns, Fleur, and the Cakes notwithstanding) which generally indicates more muscle tissue. (Also, a simple weight advantage can be super important in a fight)

      -I'd normally agree with you on the guns vs. melee point, but in the Fallout universe (and the FOE universe, too) melee weaponry can be absurdly devastating. Drugs that allow ponies to ignore the relatively minor damage of a dozen little holes in their sides are not entirely uncommon, and when you combine that with a big ol' sledgehammer and some buck, you've got a serious threat.

      -Also, with regards to dominance in tribal societies, I expect that displays of strength would be more important than gunplay when vying for public dominance (not talking about assassinations). Using ammunition on one another would be wasteful, killing a pony you could physically dominate would be likewise wasteful, and tribals tend not to have as many guns to go around, anyway. In terms of fomenting an effective community of psychopaths, at the very least, physical strength seems like it'd be of great utility. (Recall the cage match between BJ and Psychoshy for evidence of this concept)

      I'm not saying you're wrong (I don't think I've got enough information on the subject to make a call one way or t'other), I'm just pointing stuff out that I haven't seen anypony else point out.

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    158. swickedMarch 2, 2012 at 10:44 AM

      @Kim
      The fandom is all about bucking gender roles. It can take it :P

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    159. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 11:01 AM

      That's you meant by grimdark as fu**. And why the topic of rape is entirely relevant to the story. I'm really feeling sad right now. But this story compels me to finish ch.33.

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    160. KippershyMarch 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM

      @Nopony In Particular
      Don't worry about Project Eternity.
      It's something I ripped out of Somber when I made a dumbass comment/theory.

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    161. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 11:04 AM

      @Kippershy
      Alright, I'll try not to let bug me.

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    162. KippershyMarch 2, 2012 at 11:07 AM

      Also, what's all this Kim is on about?
      She wants to rape the males? ;)
      hahaha.


      My character is fine, he could just fly away from her pony and be like; lolnope.

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    163. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 11:20 AM

      Wait WHAT JUST HAPPENED?

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    164. AnonymousMarch 2, 2012 at 11:20 AM

      @O. Hinds
      Yeah, the presence of the 'with' isn't necessarily wrong, but one of the commas around "and" does need to go away. I prefer "She had reasons to lie, and unlike..."

      The "dozens, or hundreds" strikes my ears oddly. I think it should be "dozens or hundreds" or expand the appositive with "dozens, or even hundreds".

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    165. AnonymousMarch 2, 2012 at 11:30 AM

      @Overlong Analysis Cobalt
      For what it's worth, melee weapons in Fallout also stack up well against ranged weapons because most guns have a couple centuries of wear-and-tear and jury-rigged repairs on them. As Homage said, "I’ll admit, I’m a much better shot with [the Star Blaster] than I’ve ever been with any other weapon I’ve tried, including other magical energy weapons. But I attribute that to magical energy weapons being damn rare in most parts of the Equestrian Wasteland, and all the others I have tried being poorly maintained pieces of rubbish." By comparison, there's not much you can do to mess up a sharp chunk of steel.

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    166. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 12:02 PM

      Everyone just had to say that the ch.33 grimdark is SO legendary, yet everyone refused to mention that ch.34 redeems that grimdark, at least for me.

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    167. KatarnMarch 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

      @Nopony
      Brace yourself, ch. 36 is coming

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    168. RoboRedMarch 2, 2012 at 12:10 PM

      @Nopony In Particular

      And therein lies the magic of nonspoilers.

      Of course, 34 was also a bit of a mood whiplash, happy though it was.

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    169. Overlong Analysis CobaltMarch 2, 2012 at 12:12 PM

      @silentcarto
      I maintain that the Star Blaster was super de duper Lovecraftian magicalicious, too! =P

      @Nopony In Particular
      I remember the first time I read 34. Good times all around!

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    170. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 12:22 PM

      @Katarn
      Alright, so ch.35 won't reruin the good moo i'm in ch.36 will. Thanks...alot. Also on side note your name is reminding of Kyle Katarn, from Star Wars.

      @Robored Of course, the magic of non spoilers, how could I forget. I really do like them.

      @O.A.C(I'm not typing that in and I'm not sure of the reply system) Give me ALL the good times!

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    171. Random BlankMarch 2, 2012 at 12:23 PM

      Yep, 34 and 35, good times, happy times. Then 36 comes and it doesn't seem it's gonna let go anytime soon.

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    172. KatarnMarch 2, 2012 at 12:26 PM

      @Nopony In Particular
      Well, it's why I took this nickname ;)

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    173. Free CoffeeMarch 2, 2012 at 1:39 PM

      @Katarn
      Oh! That's why you call yourself that! Jedi Outcast ftw!

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    174. ketchup504March 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM

      @Sindri
      The Federation has Photonic grenades, they are not often used, however, and appear to be used to stun.
      Also, I've reproduced asexually. I have an identical twin. :3

      @Kim
      Sorry, means Wall of Text.

      @WavemasterRyx
      There is a Star Wars D20 game out there. I've played it multiple times.

      @silentcarto
      I'm not going to argue most of the points made by the writer of that, but it is biased. You can't exactly compare a militaristic "future" with a diplomatically focused one, in any case. Plus, most combat is space based in both SW and ST, and they are not compatible for comparison due to very different shields, armor, weapons, etc.

      @Nopony In Particular
      Should said this earlier, but welcome to the thread.

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    175. SindriMarch 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM

      @WaffleSmart
      The presence of 100% effective magical contraceptives would remove the "risk" to promiscuous females in a few generations.

      More males are born among humanity, but they get themselves killed faster because of all the cultural biases towards men going to war or defending the home while children and womenfolk hide behind them. In Equestria, both of these are reversed. And how exactly do stallions have an advantage in the wastes? We've seen that pony mares have strength disproportionate to their size, meaning there's no guarantee that stallions actually are more powerful. Even if they are, every wastelander either relies on weapons (the great equalizer), magic, or martial arts, making strength almost irrelevant to combat anyway. Mass is an advantage in a brawl, but every other variety of combat tends to minimize it, because all other varieties of combat were developed by the physically weak in order to use superior training or equipment to win fights. In the end all that size bonus does is make them an easier target.

      Meanwhile, all but one Stable was ruled by a mare. Megamart and Flank were both controlled by mares. The Collegiate/Zodiacs, the Rangers, half the gangs in the Hoof? I think that Red Eye and such are an oddity. Males would have about the same chance of leading in the wasteland as females if not less, meaning that about one in six leaders should be male based on the gender ratios visible in the cartoon.


      @Kim
      There are actually kind of a lot of examples of female on male rape in the animal world. A wide variety of insects consider it the norm, for example. And I'm pretty sure it's been recorded in dolphins.


      @silentcarto
      Heh. Yeah, the star trek military's ground forces would be absolutely destroyed by any rational combatants regardless of differences in tech level, just because all their weapons fall in the "cool but impractical" category and none of them know any tactics. Meanwhile the SGC is based on the real US Air Force, with modifications for new technology or enemies.


      @Katarn
      Ah, good old Kyle. You can tell which lightsaber's his because it's got "Bad Motherkriffer" etched on the side. When you play Academy as dark side, he shows up as the final boss of a video game... and your goal is to collapse the building as a distraction so you can run away before he takes your lightsaber away and beats you to death with his bare hands. Bare hands which he once used to kill a Kell Dragon that Jabba attempted to use to execute him (and that was before he learned to use the Force). Good times...

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    176. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 2:37 PM

      @Ketchup Thanks

      @Sindri Those games were awesome! The man's pure beast, no denying it.

      @Random Blank

      That's what you meant by that. The of p-21's(he really needs a new name) second, because of BJ(indirectly).

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    177. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      @Nopony In Particular
      *The Death of P-21's 2nd lover.

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    178. AnonymousMarch 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM

      @Nopony In Particular
      Doesn't it, though? Now imagine having to wait an entire week to find out if BJ stayed dead or not. :)

      Nobody said it was going to stay ultra-grimdark forevers... it's just that that particular chapter is a real beating for some folks, and it's worth it to emphasize that the warning isn't kidding around.

      @Overlong Analysis Cobalt
      Oh, I personally believe the Star Blaster does have some ability to guide itself. My headcanon says it's a bit like the One Ring, wanting to be used -- so, for example, if Homage were to scramble for a gun in panic, that's the one that would come up every time.
      I was just making the point that most guns are in sufficient disrepair that Homage couldn't be certain the Star Blaster was really doing anything supernatural.

      @ketchup504
      Aheh. There are three d20 Star Wars games out there -- Original, Revised, and SWSE. The latter is one of the best RPGs I've played. ^^

      I'm certainly not going to argue that the author of that website isn't biased, but he is very fair in his assessments. Starfleet is the one and only military organization in the Federation; it's not a diplomatic corps, whatever you want to call it. And their military hardware is crap. Preferring diplomacy should mean that they prefer not to use their guns, not that their guns should suck.

      Anyway, weapons, shields, and so on can be compared on their ability to affect things other than other ships. For example, you can establish a lower limit for a Star Destroyer's weapon power by watching it blow up an asteroid of known size.

      It's no knock against Starfleet to note that a mile-long Star Destroyer can generate a million times the destructive force of the Enterprise D -- SW technology is many thousands of years more advanced than Trek. But you also can't watch Starfleet try to defend a pass without the use of artillery or automatic weapons without concluding that such weapons simply don't exist in their arsenal. The simple truth is that any modern military would wipe the walls with Starfleet, unless Starfleet was able to claim complete space superiority. Even a hopeless attack against their orbital assets would remove support from the ground battle long enough to smash them.

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    179. UnknownMarch 2, 2012 at 3:31 PM

      @silentcarto
      Oh that's how the comment replies work. I remember the first FO:E and waiting to see all sorts of stuff, but very little compares to the protagonist dying.So it would have been cooler than cool to find out how she gets resurrected(cuz the hero can't stay dead can she?).

      On a different note I just caught up to ch.37 and I have to say.. I laughed at F&F's death, their misfortune, and their idiocy(but only because of how it was presented, not cuz I'm some sadist or something.

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    180. AnonymousMarch 2, 2012 at 3:41 PM

      @Nopony In Particular
      "cuz the hero can't stay dead can she?"
      There was quite a bit of speculation over that, in fact, especially after Somber told us she really was dead. I'd hoped for some kind of miraculous recovery, and that's what we got, but there was also the possibility of Glory or P-21 taking over narration.

      And not a few cries of "Reload from save! Reload from save!"

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    181. Stephen CawkingMarch 2, 2012 at 4:10 PM

      @Kim

      That was certainly a more reasonable reply than I was expecting. Good to know you've tried seeking help. Though I was thinking more along the lines of medication. I'm usually strongly opposed to the 'medicate and forget' method of treatment, but you seem like you could handle it. I'm no expert but it doesn't seem like a stretch for an antidepressant to help you deal with this sexual fascination bordering on obsession, as well as the feeling of 'not wanting to live.'

      I haven't read your fic and don't know where to find it. Forgive me if I seem out of date with the goings on around here but I don't feel like digging through 10000 comments to get up to speed.

      As for the issue of the apparent lack of 'popularity' of female on male rape, I think the answer may be the most obvious one. Males are biologically hardwired and socially encouraged to impregnate as many mares as possible. Stallions who are kidnapped for reproductive purposes would likely just go along with it, whereas stallions who are truly traumatised would not want to talk about what happened to them.

      Horizons touches on this beautifully. P-21, in spite of his homosexuality and trauma, still has the "I hope she enjoys it" reaction when Blackjack accidentally gropes him. He's just that indoctrinated, making him feel that much more ashamed. Conversely, the one Filly Flashers victim we see (I forgot his name) is actually at peace with his fate. Sex with him is still rape, but at the same time it isn't.

      @Nopony In Particular

      'The Angel' is the name for the foalkiller part of Rampage. I'm sure you've read the scenes where she goes berserk, The Angel is simply the name. Officer Softheart is the part of Rampage that beats up a bunch of ponies while on Flotsam. You know, where she's all like "stop *punch* resisting *punch* arrest *punch*". If you aren't even that far yet, might I suggest staying away from the comments? They have spoilers.

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    182. swickedMarch 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM

      @Nopony In Particular
      Drat. To be honest I'm always surprised there are so few sadists active in these threads.

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    183. Jacky2734March 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM

      @silentcarto

      I would like to point out that upgraded Daedalus class cruisers are only a fraction of the size of both star destoyers and the Enterprise D and could take both of them in terms of weaponry, shielding, and maneuverability. Heck, The decreased some makes the cruisers a smaller target and more maneuverable.

      The SGC also has access to artillery, proper weaponry and armor for ground troops, as well as equivalents of heavy support vehicles. The only reason you don't see Abrams on an alien planet is because they don't fit through the Stargate and would be a waste of space on a starship who's main purpose is first line defense against alien invasion.

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    184. Jacky2734March 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM

      @Jacky2734

      *Decreased *size* makes the cruisers a smaller target and more maneuverable.

      Curse this blogs lack of an edit button.

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    185. WavemasterRyxMarch 2, 2012 at 5:14 PM

      @Sindri
      *smiles* Oh I know...

      @Nopony In Particular
      "Completely unrelated" huh? Challenge accepted. As soon as I finish my "Derpy's Bestest Day Ever" event picture, I'll start figuring out a Star Trek/Gate/Wars PH crossover pic.
      *puts on sunglasses*

      @silentcarto
      Well, I'll still give you some credit for it, and you can't stop me!

      @ketchup504
      Oh I know there's one - I'm just not sure exactly which one it was that we had, or how much influence it had on our SCD&D game. I do remember playing it on two occasions, once with a rather unsuccessful soldier guy and once as the worst jedi ever...

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    186. swickedMarch 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM

      @silentcarto

      The week-long wait wasn't that bad for me. Gave me plenty of time to finish my poem and an awesome way to end it :P

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    187. Jack DorkingsMarch 2, 2012 at 5:39 PM

      I prefer not to compare between universes because the power levels are so different. Star Trek ground forces probably aren't very well developed because there doesn't need to be that much to tell the story. If starfleet was real they probably would have all sorts of crazy support stuff but Star Trek is about exploration in the future and Stargate is about exploring and shooting things with modern stuff.

      Also cross universe stuff the Culture wins hands down against everything mentioned so far.

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    188. SindriMarch 2, 2012 at 5:44 PM

      @Jacky2734
      Might have to argue that first point. A Star Destroyer has the firepower to eliminate all life on the surface of a planet, and enough shielding to make them almost invulnerable to anything short of another capital ship. They're the result of an expansionist military dictatorship and thousands of years. The Daedalus, impressive as it is, is pretty much a jury-rigged combination of all the technology the SGC could salvage or borrow slapped together over a couple years and constantly being modified.

      Either one of them could take down any ship in Starfleet though, despite significantly lower tech level. And after the first skirmish the SGC would take apart the wreck, reverse engineer the technology inside, and put it to a useful purpose.

      Meanwhile any ground engagement would be dominated by the SGC because despite technological disadvantages they have massive tactical and practical superiority. Though even stormtroopers would cut a bloody swath through most Star Trek militaries on the ground...

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    189. SindriMarch 2, 2012 at 5:53 PM

      @WavemasterRyx
      I need to read that.


      @Hawkeye
      Yeah, direct comparisons on individual aspects of the universes tend to not be particularly useful because of the thematic differences. Technology in Trek is sufficiently advanced to be indistinguishable from magic, but often terribly designed from a practical perspecitve because tactics and practicality weren't as important as looking cool to the writers. Wars is slightly more realistic and much more militaristic, but still operates on a lot of handwaves and oversights because it was never intended to be hard sci-fi; it's a space opera, where everything takes a back seat to the tale that must be told. Gate is most realistic mainly because it's closest to our own reality, and it demonstrates how a properly trained and equipped military unit could easily take on a technologically superior but largely incompetent force, but if the other series were held to the same level of realism they would almost certainly have put together similar strategies and made better use of their technology.

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    190. swickedMarch 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM

      @Sindri
      Original trilogy storm troopers couldn't touch the SGC if they didn't know where they were based at. The Goa'uld were basically the exact same as the imperial forces. Mainly peacekeepers, wear bulky and unnecessary uniforms at all times that offer minimal protection, fairly standardized training and inferior weaponry (if their accuracy is any indication). Well, except for the fact that Goa'uld had a wicked healing factor, and some of them were further altered to be Ashrak super soldiers.

      The newer trilogy had clone troopers that were a lot closer to the skill level of the SGC, while still having massive numbers, so I dunno about a fight between those two.

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    191. swickedMarch 2, 2012 at 6:18 PM

      "And after the first skirmish the SGC would take apart the wreck, reverse engineer the technology inside, and put it to a useful purpose."

      My gosh, would that ever be awesome. I've never liked a single Trek but it'd be cool to see how they adapt that stuff XD

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    192. Jacky2734March 2, 2012 at 6:24 PM

      You know, I feel I should point out the running gag in Stargate where somebody would suggest naming a ship "Enterprise" and then get the suggestion shot down.

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    193. ketchup504March 2, 2012 at 6:25 PM

      Well, looks like I started a massive, but rather calm, fan war between Star Wars and Stargate. Star Trek got bashed out pretty quick. All of this relates in no way to PH, but we like talking to each other, so we do so here to pass the time between chapters.

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    194. Jacky2734March 2, 2012 at 6:41 PM

      @ketchup504

      Actually, the whole thing started out comparing Discord to Q and Mr. Mxyzptlk. Then it went into the captains of Star Trek. Then I said how the Colonels of Stargate were way better than the Captains of ST. Then we began discussing who has the better tech. Then somebody added Star Wars and it started spiraling out of control from there.

      Crazy how these discussions start, isn't it?

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    195. KimMarch 2, 2012 at 7:02 PM

      @WaffleSmart You mentioned something about "physical power is more useful then being smart", and now when checking at it, I noticed I read that wrong heh. But from a certain PoV, it hints that the females would be smarter then males as brawn>brain in that post.

      Anyhow, as said in the post we were talking about whether or not they had cycles or heat. If they got cycles, they still have a "free week", and a very low overall pregnancy rate (like humans) and if in heat, they'd have well... most of the years to rape havoc without backfire. Plus, if going with what I was told about Equine anatomy, if she is pregnant and rapes again, it automatically miscarries. And as said, if in "high fertility state", just park flanks over their head, aim weapon and tell them to start giving head, or they get one in theirs. Plus, there's a chance they've found some natural remedy against it. There were herbs for it in past times. Would likely be by zebras thou. Plus, if they'd capture a buck for sex toy purposes, why would they care to spare a certain pair of *cough*? Not like they care if he has it left, if they'd want foals, they'd just capture a new one.

      @OAC: That entirely depends on the animal, there are several ones where the female is stronger and bigger. But in this case however, I do believe it's either equal, or that males have a slight "starting bonus". It's a bit like males having +1 in Str, and females +1 in Dex. Plus, weight can give or take in a fight. But yeah, it all depends what type of fight, what is being used and etc.

      And I know melee can be devastating, but no matter how buff you are, a point blank shotgun tends to drop the most. But anyhow, if both see each other on relative "average" conditions, in a 10 vs 10 fight, I'd likely bet on the ranged group. They'd likely get in some lucky shots before the melee reached. In an ambush, whichever group that pulled it off would be the most successful imo, depending on conditions ofc.

      But as said, I know the sledgehammer or whatever could wreck some havoc, but it's not too common to find a drugged up, buff pony in a regular raider group. In ex: crappy knives/bats vs bad guns, then it's a ~hm... situation. But the guns would likely pick off a few of the melee, which would then have an advantage in melee, but if being fewer in number makes up for that advantage is up to discussion. Ah well, enough rambling about that xP

      Again, here we are between the Agi vs Str technically. If going fully tribal, the female tribe on that island is a good example. We have about equal change to get strong, males just generally have a bit of head-start, and a technically higher roof. (Ex. If going SPECIAL, males could have ~11-12 Str, females ~11-12 Agi) Plus, we have a higher pain threshold for... whatever reason.

      But yeah, they are kinda valid points to be brought up. But keep in mind there's several kind of "tribe" types. Simply being strong is usually far from enough, it could be a start. Plus, we're not only talking tribals, we're also talking raiders. I could easily see a weaker pony as a leader, as long as they were a good leader, charismatic, somewhat intelligent, and could take others down. Basically, if going d&d style: A fighter or barbarian might have a good shot at being buff and becoming leaders in a tribal society. But a rogue or ranger could have a chance to. As long as they are better at fighting,they could down them. (simple example: ogre vs elf/dwarf. The ogre is stronger by all means, but generally dumber, and can be quite easily taken down by tactic. If the "buff buck" had his sledgehammer, a more agile mare could make quick slashes, dance around him and cut him down eventually. And heck, a zebra (or trained pony) could just stunning hoof them, tie them up or whatnot, whisper into their ear, then start whatever deeds they desire to do.

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    196. KimMarch 2, 2012 at 7:02 PM

      @Kipper: I want to point out that males are not the only, or likely not even the biggest cause of rape in the wastes. And is your character protected against poison darts, stun grenades, anaesthetic spells or traps? True that only really one of my trio would be willing to commit it. (and the "main" one if the other one forced her xD) So... watch where you sleep if you cross her... ;D

      @Ketchup: Ah ok, thanks for explaining, derp xP (And I got both WP and WF in WoT xD)

      @Sindri: See? Why can't I make that much sense of the bat? xP

      And welp, I wasn't fully aware of that heh. I have to admit I can't entirely see how it would work, apart from maybe that they'd attack the male if they didn't put up, but most males of non sentient animals seems rather willing all the time. (when not injured ofc)

      @Stephen: Hey, I am semi-insane, doesn't mean I am stupid ;P Just look at all the mad scientists xD (as said: "I do not suffer from insanity, I quite enjoy it...")
      And I have tried medication. First one removed all my appetite, haven't got it back after 8+ years, so I am usually in a state of constant small starvation. Second made me more depressed. (caution: side effects may include: depression, derp) Third just drained all my energy to do anything. So currently going on mental fortitude, I shake off and bottle up problems. Sure as hell ain't healthy, already been told I'll likely die 10-20 years before I should due to depression and mistreatment of my body, but eh. Cba to care about it currently.

      And it's not finished yet, I am still trying to work on it despite lack of... most things. Doesn't mean I can't compare to it in pre-emptive purposes ;P

      And on that point I have to call you on some *buy some apples*. Firstly, I can counter with that females are wired to want children. So in that context, they'd also like to be raped as it'd have chance to give just that. And you cannot compare human social standards to Equestrian ones. And are you implying males would go "Yay, I am getting laid and get to impregnate females!" Would you like to be kidnapped for that purpose? Keep in mind they would likely not give one shit to stop for pause or care about your condition. If there'd be 10 mares that would each do it for around, in time comparison: 3 male orgasms, to properly both get off themselves and make sure they have a decent chance to get pregnant. Sore from afterglow? Not their problem, and why would they care?

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    197. KimMarch 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM

      Point is, a male would not be wired to like being abused. Keep in mind they are sentient, and that the environment and how you were brought out SEVERELY affects said "wiring". Quite decent comparison would be ancient Rome. Homosexuality was common there as true love could only be between a boy, and a man. Compare that being the "standard" societal view and behaviour to our current one. (or just 10-20 years ago) Quite different ain't it?

      And P-21 has been indoctrinated, you can't compare him with a "regular buck". Basically, both genders CAN enjoy sex with the other (derp, literally what it's supposed to be) IF in the right condition. The Flasher "victim" was firstly odd, and secondly, he had been only used by the leader mare, who had some "strange" romantic fetish, he had never been thrown to the "regular troops". There is a HUUUUGE difference on getting sensually fucked by one "odd" mare and getting gangbanged for hours at end to the point where you get blisters and soars on it and it swells from overuse. And having a constant taste of mare on the tongue. That is what awaited him when she discarded him, I doubt he'd like that as much. Keep in mind, they are not raping him to get HIM off, they are doing it for their gain. It's not like they would stop once he came. There is no reason at all for them to. Unless they had planned to use him for a couple of months, but I doubt that was the plan. And as mentioned before: Pregnancy wouldn't be a problem if they didn't want it. Just slice or tear off his testicles, get rid of the next 2-3 loads, then he's set to go for a few weeks of service. Or months if you don't overuse him.

      I've noticed quite a few males are picturing rape as "me getting laid till I get off, then she leaves". If that was the case, then male rapists would give their victims oral till they came, then leave. Not accusing you here, just speaking out of general frustration. From those I asked, most seemed to be the most scared of a female rapist beating them. And I see that as a logical fear. But anyhow, I do not type that well at 3 am.

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    198. ketchup504March 2, 2012 at 7:22 PM

      @Jacky2734
      That discussion started when i compared Discord and Q. Still, very crazy.

      @Kim
      Ah, that's okay. I have no idea what a WP or WF is anyway. XD
      And more insightful rape topics. Oh boy...

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    199. swickedMarch 2, 2012 at 7:23 PM

      ...how can a male think that's what female on male rape is? That's absurd.

      I mean, I can believe they would, I just still find it so... stupid.

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    200. Jacky2734March 2, 2012 at 7:36 PM

      And new begins...Now.

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