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"Taking it in stride" is something they are not doing however, with their essential "middle finger" in Hasbro's direction. This, combined with the recent attacks on The Hub's non-pony facebook updates probably isn't painting our little community in the best light. Biting the hand that feeds us is something we should practice avoiding.
While I'm on the fence about Youtube shutdowns, an actual full on download site may have been a bit too far. As much as I appreciate the Ponyarchive team for their hard work, FiM is still a relatively high budget cartoon, and with DVD's on the horizon, as well as the iTunes downloads finally stepping up their release speed, it was sort of inevitable.
One thing I do hope they consider, is the audience outside the US who have no access to the new episodes aside fom Youtube. This is an issue that needs to be addressed more than anything. FiM is breaking new ground, so it's not a huge surprise that things are happening slowly, but alternative methods should probably be explored before cutting off the supply entirely.
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@Zamoonda
ReplyDeleteI agree with this. I will not advertize for or support companies hostile to their fans. If they want to go back to respecting us, I will them. Until then, they just go onto the list almost everyone else is on.
@suika2344
ReplyDeleteOkay you are right.
I'm sorry. I will be quiet now.
At times like this it is especially important suck it up, admit that you're wrong, and move on with your life. Ponyarchive, I used your site on many occasions and appreciated the service that you provided. But don't be so indignant. You're only making it worse for everyone else.
ReplyDeletePeople need to quit being pricks and take the site down. It makes the rest of us look bad.
ReplyDelete@Puzzle Plate
ReplyDeleteNot trying to be an asshole here, but HOW THE FUCK am I supposed to be able "supporting" the show when the bloody DVD AND the (poor, 24fps, colorfailed) iTunes episodes are both US EXCLUSIVE?
Piracy isn't theft, comrade. If Hasbro releases a bluray, I will give them my money my great pleasure.
I have never used Ponyarchive before, so if it really had a donation link on the site, I can't sympathize with its team's reaction. Goes against "love and tolerance," and besides, it's very unwise to bite the hands that are providing the content in the first place.
ReplyDelete@Zamoonda
ReplyDeleteI don't know when to drop it? You're the one who keeps coming back after you've said you're done. That seems like some MASSIVE hypocrisy to me.
So you say there's no point in petitioning, so you won't do it. Okay, then shut the fuck up and quit complaining that Hasbro is exercising their legal rights.
Dear God, a company that wants to make money doing exactly what companies that want to make money do!
ReplyDeleteWHATEVER WILL THEY THINK OF NEXT?
Geez you guys, you act like they're saying we can't be bronies anymore or something.
There's still bazillions of videos and episodes on Youtube, I found them within like thirty seconds of reading this...
Hasbro may not have a choice in the matter, especially now that they're ramping up for DVD sales. One part of the agreement may be that they go after pirated episodes. I mean, think about it, if you're a distributor and you partner with someone like Hasbro to sell DVDs or episodes, wouldn't you want the free downloads gone? I'm not saying that their partners necessarily had anything to do with this (though I wouldn't be surprised at Apple) but the timing does fit, and it's also a logical thing for them to do. At least from a business perspective, though not a public relations one.
ReplyDeleteAlso, keep in mind, Hasbro is publicly traded. They need to protect shareholder interests. In fact, they are LEGALLY OBLIGATED to do so. So, if they see someone providing a free copy of their product that is indistinguishable from what they are trying to sell... Yeah, they pretty much have no choice but to go after that and take it down.
Yes, it does suck, and I'm sorry for the non-US bronies who are denied pony. One question, though, are you able to watch the episodes on the Hub's internet site? I know they usually have the two latest episodes up on there. If all the episodes were available on the Hub website, would that be enough to soothe things a little?
Still, they do need to figure out a way to distribute these episodes to non-US fans, as well as to fans that don't like Apple. I'd happily buy them off of some other official digital download site, provided the quality was there and it wasn't lousy with DRM.
In fact, I think I'll send my own letter to Hasbro and let them know that.
@Octavia
ReplyDeleteIf they really want to sell DVDs, sell a box set. iTunes is not an option to a huge amount of people.
I suppose the fact I have spent several hundred dollars on actual products made by Hasbro is meaningless, though. That never is brought into the equation.
I download ALL of the episodes off iTunes to support the show for more seasons. The responde from Ponyarchive was just plain SICK! If you really love this show, you have to open up your purse strings a little bit.
ReplyDelete@Purple Tinker
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, we'll still be pirating their stuff. So if you and the rest of this "community" wants to waste your money on ponies - sure.
Like it or not Hasbro is just like any other money grubbing corporation. We never should've deluded ourselves into thinking otherwise.
ReplyDeleteWho cares...this is why we have piratebay...now if only someone would get the iTunes rips from season 2 up there.
ReplyDelete@Xort
ReplyDeleteHave I ever complained? No. I said Hasbro are dicks, I stated a fact. Stop pulling stuff out of your ass. And yes, you do, because when I clearly said I'm just going to drop it, kids like you just love to get the last laugh. And quite frankly I'm feeling in a pissy mood so I'll just sit back and continue this utterly pointless exchange of insults.
@XyroTR1 Seconded.
ReplyDelete@Pegasi
ReplyDeleteWhile I can understand your anger at having the easiest method for you to watch the episodes on being removed...
And I fully get that the other ways to watch ponies for you involve jumping through some rather unsavory hoops...
Piracy doesn't equal theft?? Sorry, complete fail there.
@Xort
ReplyDeleteAnd if Hasbro can't be arsed to release the episodes on a service that isn't iTunes or shitty standard quality DVDs with out of order episodes, then they can suck it, and I can't be arsed to treat them like a company which deserves any respect.
It's not even the price either; I'd gladly pay $100+ for a complete season 1 blu-ray 1080p disc set with commentary. Shout Factory needs to stop making pathetic excuses and get on that, like now-ish.
Until there's a legitimate way to watch the episodes in 1080p, the only excuse Hasbro should have to take videos down is that they're planning a blu-ray release. If they're not making any money off of it themselves out of sheer idiocy, why stop other people from distributing it? They don't make or lose money either way.
Fake account or not, all I think is: Hasbro can close an eye on people watching ponies on youtube, since it gets em to reach all the countries outside USA without having to move a finger to do that (I mean, if we had to wait for the italian version to enjoy the show... I doubt I'd be admin of mylittlepony.it right now); but since they're selling the episodes on iTunes and making DVDs, you can't just host all that stuff for free without expecting a bit of shitstorm. I mean, thank you all and stuff, I mean it... but it was obvious it couldn't last. It was just pushing it too far. Was just awesome till it lasted, but now we can't whine if they did what it was in their right to do. Diffusing the ponies is one thing, stealing is another. And this said by an italian brony who owes his broniness to illegal broadcasting. I am for the "let's do it, but let's not push it too far, guys".
ReplyDeleteThat message to Hasbro on Ponyarchive was pretty hilarious, not gonna lie.
ReplyDeleteIf Hasbro is going to do stuff like this, I don't intend to support them, tolerate them or understand them. It's stupid, it's counter-productive and I don't care if they have legal right to do it, only if it's the right thing to do.
ReplyDeletePonyarchive and YouTube are my only ways to get the episodes, and both are being hit. I guess you don't want non-US viewers spreading the show?
Provide a good and accessible service, or don't complain if someone else is FOR FREE. And with stuff like this, I am not in the mood to give you my money anyway, since you obviously only care about US viewers and your profits.
Hey guys let's all make up conspiracy theories on how Hasbro is out to get us. It's all part of a plan to kill the batman and to iniate the rise of the Illumnati. I'm telling ya you guys Pinkie Pie is the key to the whole thing. It just makes so much Sense..
ReplyDelete@bky1701
ReplyDeleteThere's more to it than that. You don't simply roll out a huge DVD box set and that's it. And they make more money by releasing them in smaller DVD sets like they are doing now. As many Bronies as there are, the younger audience outnumbers them by the millions still. And parents will still buy them for their kids even in smaller sets. As for iTunes, I know. If you read some of my earlier comments in this discussion, I already covered that.
@RandomFanguy
ReplyDeleteDeluded ourselves into thinking otherwise? They allow a huge website - approaching 100 million hits - to host all sorts of content, including links to streams of the episode, to stay up while the intellectual property all this content is based off of is still hot. They allow Studio B all sorts of freedom in how they make the show, which has led to Derpy, the Equestria Girls promo, and several other great things made official from the fandom.
Yeah, I think the only deluded ones here are the ones saying that Hasbro sucks.
@All Aflutter
ReplyDeleteYou are a very angry person. First of all, we don't feed them. They are the ones that created the show in the first place. So your comment is irrelevant.
Second, Ponyarchives was accepting and encouraging users to donate to them. They wanted money for copyrighted material. That's like me burning Rihanna CDs and charging my friends $14.99 for them. Not legal. Not my intellectual property, not my right to sell it.
Third, Merriweather Williams' episodes were awesome. Just because YOU did not like them does not mean that they "sucked". Taste, you should learn as you approach maturity, is actually quite diverse. Sexuality, Gender, television.....all vary person to person. Just because YOU don't like something does not make it horrible. Your attitude, on the other hand, is quite sucky, obnoxious, insufferably rude, and childish. Grow up.
Maybe your screen name should be Rage & Complain. You're very good at it.
And you know what? That rule of business doesn't work in copyright situations, genius. And let's not forget; YOU are not the target audience of the show.
@ponyarchive
ReplyDeleteWell yeah I think we will "waste" our money because we want to SUPPORT the continous production of the show, and help IMPROVE it by allowing them to have a bigger budget instead of LOWERING the QUALITY of the show by giving out free episodes.
I am glad a few people seem to get it, but this cult worship of Hasbro is very disconcerting. If you're really worried about image... that's the sort of thing that hurts it.
ReplyDelete@RBDash
ReplyDeleteIf they want my funding, I'll toss far more than a couple bucks their way for a real 1080p blu-ray box set release, but Shout Factory is run by pussies, and iTunes sucks.
Hasbro should upload the episodes on Utube themselves with ads before it. I'd watch the ad to support them!
ReplyDeleteWow, a fair bit of entitlement in this thread. Hasbro does not owe any of us anything. They have, through Studio B and the wonderful people there, created a delightful show. That they expect to be compensated for this should not come as a surprise. While PA provided a one-stop service for all your episode needs, you can still find what you want on YouTube as well as US iTunes (which _can_ be accessed internationally, if you are willing to jump through a few hoops). You can be legal bronies - why would you not want to be that?
ReplyDeleteAhahahahaha, their fuck you message is hilariously pathetic. They never were your bros, they were a corporation out to make money and they took action against a bunch of people hosting their shit illegally. Stop crying
ReplyDeleteI do agree there needs to be a way for international users to buy the english episodes, but with all the licensing bullshit in the world I'm not counting on it...
@Tephnos
ReplyDeleteMy entire point is that acting childish and in defiance of Hasbro will not convince them to do anything to win them over to one's cause.
We can instead choose to work with Hasbro and express interest in having pony episodes available internationally, and perhaps through options other than iTunes.
The absolute best way to do this is to send polite letters or e-mails to Hasbro requesting this. If you're overseas, send a letter. Have all your other brony friends send messages, and all their friends send messages, too!
If Hasbro gets enough mail, they will at least start to explore options.
This has been proven to be far more effective than pitching childish fits about anything.
@Zamoonda
ReplyDeleteYou're being over dramatic, the videos are still up, i checked myself, and i'm mexican, so itunes doesn't work here too (i do have discovery kids), the episodes are on the web, and they're going to be here FOREVER no matter how many people close their youtube channels.
So stop being dramatic, can't find the episodes on your own or what?
@Zamoonda
ReplyDelete>Claims he hasn't complained
>resorts to petty insults toward a company just for exercising legal rights
Yeah, something doesn't add up here.
@Laurence Brown
ReplyDeleteHow is it THEFT, if I can't buy it anywhere based on where I live?!
It would not be theft, even if I were able to buy them: http://tightmixblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/piracy-not-theft-460x328.jpg
@Nash
ReplyDeletesoooo... Youtube isnt a free reliable service?
I think thats what I heard.
I was never involved with Ponyarchive, and frankly, I'm glad I wasn't. The point is, what they were doing was illegal, and if they were expecting to just be able to continue doing that in (essentially) plain sight, then they should have been waiting for this to happen.
ReplyDeleteThe way that they acted was completely immature, and I hope that someone at Hasbro sees all these comments from more mature Bronies regarding the absurdity of their response.
Welp, I'm officially happy I never used PA.
ReplyDeleteI must say, I am saddened that receiving ponies is not quite as easy but, throwing hate at Hasbro is intolerable. This malicious response makes us as community look like a miserable bunch of flank-hurt buggers.
ReplyDelete@Xort
ReplyDeleteYou and the ones that think Hasbro are saints are the only ones deluding yourself. Nothing, absolutely nothing illegal is hosted on this site. The only thing they can do is tell us to get rid of the links or they'll shut us down. And taking down a website approaching 100 million fucking views is the dumbest thing Hasbro can do.
Hasbro doesn't suck. They're good at what they do.
Doesn't change the fact they're dicks.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteBecause the people who ran ponyarchive MADE themselves Hasbro's enemy by costing them thousands upon thousands of dollars.
And you somehow think you spending 20 bucks on a toy and a t-shirt (from a third party source I should add) somehow makes up for the money you cost them?
Wanna know why we don't have a DVD box set yet? Because bronies have shown little interest in actually paying for the show they've grown fond of. Having a community is nice, but it doesn't mean jack s**t if they're costing you more then you spend to keep them interested.
@Octavia
ReplyDeleteThe point is, they are slapping us in the face and not providing a real alternative. If there was something acceptable we could buy and actually have, it might be a different story (although, keep in mind other countries). As it stands, this is entirely unacceptable and needs to be criticized.
If Hasbro goes and sees everyone is alright with this, likely they'll just go onto worse.
Wait. Because people can't buy the episodes from iTunes, they instantly think they can't support Hasbro?
ReplyDeletePeople, come on. Hasbro's merchandise is what is at the top of their money-making list. If we can't buy the episodes, then go buy something pony at a store and there you go. You are supporting Hasbro.
Of course it would be nice to DIRECTLY support the show, but if people can't as me (I can't watch The Hub and I can't buy the episodes off iTunes), I simply go and buy something pony.
I have two pony toys at my side right now, and I'm planning on buying more.
A shame, but they do have a business to run and that's how the creators of the show get paid. They did wait until now to take it down too. PonyArchive's response was really bad though.
ReplyDeleteMaybe someone can start a petition to Hasbro to let others download episodes from iTunes?
Love and Tolerate but there's a limit.
ReplyDeleteIf Hasbro takes down MLP episode youtube videos then...I dunno what would happen. I hope they don't, It kinda my only way to see the new episodes on good quality.
@Vinnyboiler
ReplyDeleteThere's plenty ways UK fans can support FiM right now. It airs on Boomerang and the toys are readily available in stores now. There's no DVD or iTunes release but that might be because the Boomerang showings haven't been as popular.
Hopefully one of the freeview Kids channels might pick it up. But theres still ways you can support the show, and we can still watch on Youtube in the meantime!
I was downloading the episodes from ponyarchive and it seems that I will still download them illegaly from internet, but I support the show by buying toys, that's the only thing I can do in Europe. My conscience is clear. I've already spent on the toys more than I would spent on the show by buying it in the US, IF I was living there.
ReplyDelete@Laurence Brown
ReplyDeleteSomeone needs to learn the joy of thinking. Or at least, use a dictionary.
@ManestreamMMR
ReplyDeleteAll these were recently uploaded, and most likely will be reported — if not already reported — by Hasbro. Where do you think the 700,000 view Episode 1 has buggered off to?
Wow, PonyArchive...
ReplyDeleteIs PonyArchive run by five year olds? How about some maturity...
@Cal
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, they wanted donations to run the site. They weren't charging for the pony.
Second, I'm not going to argue about MMDW and HWE here, because I've done that enough and I'm not changing my mind. Coming from a media major, they do indeed suck.
@Xort
ReplyDeleteI'm expressing they are being dicks by exercising their legal rights in a way that doesn't help them what-so-ever.
Do deal with it.
THIS POPCORN IS DELICIOUS!
ReplyDelete"Hurr durr, itsa illegal!"
ReplyDeleteSeriously, you guys. Technically even the you tube episode are not legal. There not not much difference between a youtube upload and a direct fileshare, for it can be simply downloaded.
If you guys are honestly riding the legal train now, you should consider this.
@Laurence Brown
ReplyDeletePiracy isn't theft. It doesn't hurt anyone. If I pirate a game, I get a game for free. No one is hurt in that exchange. That's why the line if a lot thinner than it is for normal theft.
I don't support piracy because I think you shouldn't get something you don't deserve, but that is less black-and-white than most people make it out to be. Piracy is a victimless crime. Trying to argue something is amoral when it doesn't hurt anyone is hard. I agree that it's amoral, but I can't prove it is.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteOh, I'm sure Hasbro knows not all Bronies are going to like this or even accept it. But it is their property afterall and they are entitled to ask for free downloads of their property to be taken down. So I can't fault them for that.
I do agree on the issue of how to purchase said episodes. I wish they would put in place an alternative to iTunes. Especially for those unable to buy them off there. Hopefully they may at some point.
@Pegasi
ReplyDeleteHa! As an IP attorney, that "Piracy is not theft" graphic is really funny! Here's what's missing: it needs to show the first property owner trying to sell copies of his product at $X. Then, it should show the person who has made the pirated copy giving away the copy for free, or selling it for <$X. Instead of making money from selling its product, original IP owner now has a sad face, because all of his potential customers have gotten free copies, whereas without the pirating, he would have gotten paid for the IP. In other words, your graphic is ridiculous. Pirates aren't "stealing" the item that is copied, their stealing revenue from the original IP owner and its licensed distributors.
Oatmeal are you crasy???
ReplyDeleteAwww... This is very depressing. PonyArchive was my #1 source for high quality episodes.
ReplyDeleteI am disappoint
ReplyDelete@Gigatoast
ReplyDeleteWith numbers like "thousands upon thousands of dollars" you must have pretty good sources. Can I see them?
I said I spent several hundred. And yes, I think it makes up for the "money I cost them" because I don't see how I cost them a penny. If I was never to watch their show in the first place, they would be at $0: if I pirated the show and never bought anything... they would also be at $0. Yet, they ended up with quite more than that. It isn't that complicated.
But thanks for being small-minded and vilifying whoever disagrees, as usual. I think it is nearing time to get out of being a Brony: this is going the same route as the furries, and nothing good lies down there.
Not surprising.
ReplyDeleteI was kinda thinking this would happen, mostly due to the iTunes rips. They were, after all, putting up paid digital content online for free.
I'll note that the legal warnings didn't come until shortly after they began to label downloads as "iTunes rips." Before then they were just the 720p download; it wasn't obvious where it came from.
A shame, but really not surprising, and nothing to get too upset over.
I was thinking of buying it on iTunes anyway to support the show, and maybe encourage a DVD set as suggested in an earlier EqD post; money is just tight, and being a Linux user gives me a bit of an issue. I'm currently trying to find out if video files can just be exported from iTunes, or if they're all proprietary.
Paying $90 on the first two seasons doesn't do me any good if I can't actually watch the damn things on my PC... well, if need be there are converters out there.. I'll figure out if I can actually find a way to watch them first before I pay for anything, though.
@Heartmend
ReplyDeleteRule 101: Petitions don't work. You've seen what Hasbro thinks of us. We're a 'minority' our letters won't do crap if they don't think they'll get enough sales. The chances of us actually getting the episodes are slim to none. Don't hold your hopes on a faint dream, I'm sure as hell not going to. I'm far too much of a realist for that.
Hasbro do suck, and I've never liked them. Even as the show was going on I was wondering what they were going to do to screw it over for us. Thankfully, they haven't yet, but this is probably the beginning.
Either way, GJ Hasbro.
I think the Ponyarchive reaction is both hilarious and heinous.
ReplyDeleteBeing from 4chan, I love flying my jolly roger and sticking it to "the man", being a callous asshole, and giving the world the finger whenever you feel.
My Brony side is absolutely appalled because this is terrible publicity. Although I do share ponyarchive's sentiments about the situation, sometimes it's just best to take your licks... keep calm and carry on. This isn't the end of the world of bronydom, however it does make quite a nuisance out of finding and downloading ponies (Apple gets none of my bits).
Fortunately, it appears as though many never went to ponyarchive, and therefore its really a crapshoot to know how many people will end up seeing that reaction and how it will affect us.
@AbbySciuto Still, it'll only have positive influences on the show if a clear demand is shown. It still supports the show even if the money doesn't go directly to hasbro. Perhaps they'll demand increased payment in return for allowing the episodes online in the future after seeing how popular it is. Who knows.
ReplyDelete@Octavia
ReplyDeleteI can do nothing but agree to all your points, unfortunately it doesn't change the fact that at the current moment there isn't an alternative to iTunes. What can we do?
@Peter
ReplyDeleteIf you pirate a game, you've hurt the company that would have sold you the game in a world where it was impossible for you to pirate the game. And don't argue that you simply wouldn't have bought the game, you can't make that assumption because you live in a world where piracy DOES exist and is largely unpunished.
@Zamoonda I never said Hasbro are saints. I fucking dare you to try and prove I did. All my comments remain posted, so go ahead. Comb through them. Find evidence. I'll wait.
ReplyDelete...
So, nothing? So you can't back up your claim I said Hasbro were saints? Thank you, now shut the fuck up and don't try to put words in my mouth.
" including links to streams of the episode"
Welp, looks like, believe it or not, I do understand that nothing about this site is inherently illegal! But what you seem to not understand is that if Hasbro did tell us to get rid of all the links to pony-related content, that would, you know... cripple the entire fucking site.
@Pegasi
ReplyDeleteFirst off, I'm not coming down on you for being upset about not having pony readily available through the way you were used to it. I get that.
But piracy is theft. Even if there is no current way for you to buy the episodes, that doesn't rule out the possibility that there might be one in the future. If you have the episodes now, gained through piracy, there is no reason for you to buy them when they do become available to you.
Now, you could be one of the honorable ones who will buy them when they become available regardless. If so, good for you. The problem though is that the vast overwhelming majority of people pirating stuff do NOT buy the things they pirate. There have been literally millions, if not billions, of dollars lost over all the forms of entertainment, from movies to music, from e-books to scanned manga, where money that should have gone to the rightful creators simply hasn't because people pirated the copyrighted materials instead of purchasing it.
@Desert Rose
ReplyDeleteCorrection: Region locked to the US. I live 40 mins away from Studio B but I have now way of buying the episodes online.
@Gigatoast
ReplyDeleteWe don't have a DVD set yet not because they think bronies don't like to spend money (I mean, look at the insane amounts plushies and shit sells for on ebay), but because they don't think there's enough of us.
We pirate and torrent episodes, and stream them, BECAUSE there isn't a DVD set. I, and many others I know, would immediately stop illegally viewing episodes upon the release of a blu-ray collection.
I am extremely against pirating, except in the case of no availability or no other option. I spent obscene amounts of money on animé DVDs and subscriptions to Netflix and Crunchyroll, and Hulu+ and all that jazz. But I'll still watch a fansubbed, torrented series if it hasn't been officially licensed over in the US yet. It's the same thing here. Something other than pirating simply isn't available for international viewers, or those who want 1080p and hate iTunes.
People need to stop saying that we have a sense of entitlement, because it's obvious we do, and we deserve to. HASBRO is the company. We pay them. We feed them. They work, they make things, they manage things. Sure, they give us pony, but we put food on their tables. It's their obligation to concede to us if they want money.
@Θάνος hmmm your right. Just one closing remark:
ReplyDelete"in a hostile world
we are only represented by our worst behaviour
and especially around the time of SOPA"
-Las Fas
I just sent this tweet:
ReplyDelete@HubTVNetwork @HasbroNews @MyLittlePony Please know that Ponyarchive does NOT speak for us fans. We hate their response as much as you do.
I suggest all fans who support the show do the same thing. I don't want Hub/Hasbro to think we agree with the Ponyarchive folks.
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ReplyDelete@Xort
ReplyDelete>The only thing they can do is tell us to get rid of the links or they'll shut us down.
Oh man, this is just too hilarious, please continue with your ranting.
@Laurence Brown
ReplyDeleteIts like this:
http://jeremygohblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/wpid-tumblr_l9z3t8oCbJ1qzl2uzo1_500.jpg
This shutdown made me aware of the iTunes option, which I'm now subscribed to. I'm quite happy to pay for good content when it's offered in a sensible way (i.e. not through an entire cable subscription like I'd have to do to get The Hub).
ReplyDeleteI was on Youtube and bronies are suffering from copyright claims again, from the REAL Hasbro. What does the future hold for us? I can only watch My Little Pony Friendship is Magic in Youtube. Maybe Hasbro will decided to upload the episodes themselves! - Flare
ReplyDelete@Tephnos
ReplyDeleteNever did I say "petition". Those don't work.
Instead, try contacting Hasbro directly.
http://www.hasbro.com/customer-service/contacts/
If you don't bother to say anything, Hasbro won't know of fans desires. Get your friends to send e-mails, too.
You have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
@Tephnos
ReplyDeleteFrom my understanding, Hasbro cannot release the episodes on iTunes in other countries due to the way airing rights work. Since they gave rights to air the show on foreign networks, they can't also release them for digital download in those countries without a breach of contract.
They don't have to worry about this in America since they own part of the channel that airs them here.
@All Aflutter
ReplyDeleteOh my god, what is wrong with you?
@Laurence Brown
ReplyDeleteYou don't seem to feel the need to explain why "piracy is theft," even though a number of us have pointed out it is so neither morally nor linguistically, so...
Piracy is not theft.
This was really immature and unprofessional of Pony Archive to put that message up. They had absolutely no legal right to make a download site of all the episodes.
ReplyDeleteI remember a few years back there was a guy who was doing a fan translation of Mother 3 because it never got released outside of Japan. He said that if Nintendo showed signs of releasing an official English version or asked him to stop he would. That's how Pony Archive should have acted. But no, they had to throw a tantrum and make the whole community look like a bunch of whiners.
And don't know if somepony said it already but even uplouding the episodes on youtube is an infringement to the copyright law, so how long would it take until Hasbro forbid to watch the show online and for free? I'm from Mexico and youtube and ponyarchive was my way to watch the show, it was and it's free (but I would definitely buy the DVD when it comes out in the future). Even the fanfics and the drawings in deviantart and the remixes of songs of the show repressent some kind of infringment of copyright. The only thing I know is that I can't buy them on iTunes and this was a way to let the episodes be known on other countries. I just see that this is so close to the SOPA thing...
ReplyDelete@Zamoonda
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, there isn't much we can do right now. People can ask them to put up an alternative. But there's channels they need to go through and such to even do that. It's more complicated than most people think it is. I'm still hoping for a full DVD release eventually. But that may never come. Or it may not come for a very long time.
Sheesh, I've never used Ponyarchive to watch new episodes anyway, they're almost instantly uploaded to youtube and from there, just use a youtube video downloader to get it on your PC. I absolutely understand Hasbro reaction, because, hey, after all, Ponyarchive published their copyrighted content without their permission and reduced their potential income. That being said, I'd gladly buy the whole season ticket on iTunes, but as usual, it's not available in my country. Until that happens, I'll stick with youtube.
ReplyDelete@ponyarchive
ReplyDelete...
*takes a sword and mangles your torso, genitals, and face, then slices your arms off, then burns your dick off, then cuts out your guts and lights you on fire*
Fuck you, man. You are NOT a true brony.
The only thing that even needs to be considered here is Love and Tolerance. Everything else really doesn't matter. I'm going to Love and Tolerate Hasbro's decision and you all should too.
ReplyDelete@Backup Fruit
ReplyDeleteToo poor for $2-3 per week - please...there are kids in the target demographic that can afford that!
@Zamoonda
ReplyDeleteAnd please explain what relevance that had to anything I said? Or why you conveniently chose to ignore the part where I point out how wrong you were about what I said? Yeah, seems like you're really dancing around some issues here instead of confronting them. I wonder why that might be? Maybe because you're aware that your arguments are flimsier than Applejack's lies?
And don't know if somepony said it already but even uplouding the episodes on youtube is an infringement to the copyright law, so how long would it take until Hasbro forbid to watch the show online and for free? I'm from Mexico and youtube and ponyarchive was my way to watch the show, it was and it's free (but I would definitely buy the DVD when it comes out in the future). Even the fanfics and the drawings in deviantart and the remixes of songs of the show repressent some kind of infringment of copyright. The only thing I know is that I can't buy them on iTunes and this was a way to let the episodes be known on other countries. I just see that this is so close to the SOPA thing...
ReplyDelete@Flutteryay
ReplyDeleteDon't feed the Parasprites. Love and Tolerance.
Seth, if they're going to swear like that to Hasbro, the least you could do is not link to them anymore.
ReplyDelete@Detoxicity Ah somepony get the message :D
ReplyDeleteLame. Very very lame to lose such high quality videos.
ReplyDeleteIf they are going to protect their IP, then they should at least be consistent and take down every Youtube video. Just because it is lower quality does not mean it is any more legal. Those videos are all violating US copyright law just as much as the torrents and direct downloads are. They cut into potential itunes profits FAR more than the torrents (millions of collective views vs a few thousand seeders/leechers).
The only difference is that Youtube has DMCA immunity as long as they comply with Hasbro's request timely.
Either way, Hasbro is biting the hand that feeds them, from a demographic no one thought would watch. They should capitalize on the viral nature of the internet instead of attack it.
This is what happens when your upper management and lawyers are older people who didn't grow up through the information age.
You know what is sad? I have $90 a month cable with the Hub and a $700 TV, yet I used pony archive cause they have better quality and no commercials.
Sometimes you have to wonder what you are paying for. Now I'm stuck with an inferior product at 100x the cost.
Wow, I've read through 200 or so comments (there will probably be a lot more after posting this) and I'm surprised to see that (one) for the most part we all understand the facts and (two) there is a surprising lack of polarity on the issue (not a bad thing).
ReplyDeleteThe fact is MLPFiM is the intellectual property of Hasbro
The fact is PA told off Hasbro
The fact is what PA was doing was illegal in the US
The speculation is what Hasbro did may have been unsupportive of the community
The speculation is what PA did was extremely immature and unsupportive
In a lot of the comments above, I do agree that there should be more outlets to let fans access the show. I always try to do things legally, but the current mediums are non-negotiable. I admit downloading the episodes on iTunes is a big hassle, but that's how I've been doing it because that's the only way to do it legally.
I do believe that Hasbro is in the right, and what PA did was wrong. Hasbro is 100% entitled to their right to protect their IP, and PA is 100% entitled to their right of speech. That doesn't mean that they should abuse their rights as both parties did.
I'm always up for more legal pathways that we can take. I hope they will consider trying to do something about it, though I understand it is a lot more expensive business-wise than simply taking down what is uploaded illegally. Nonetheless, the community here needs to show support for Hasbro so that they can reciprocate.
I trust everyone will not continue the cycle of hate that has been started. I can see in all of the comments that we can, and we should, love and tolerate.
theft
ReplyDelete[theft] Show IPA
noun
1.
the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
2.
an instance of this.
3.
Archaic . something stolen.
It's surprisingly specific, the definition of this word a lot of you seek to redefine.
@Phantom240
ReplyDeleteQuit posting that nonsense. Piracy is exactly like theft. Imagine you are selling a unique product. Then someone comes along, steals your design, and gives away your product (or sells it for a pittance, which they can do because they didn't have to spend any of the money you did developing, creating, or producing it). That's theft, brother!
@Flare
ReplyDeleteIs there confirmation of it being Hasbro the one taking down the YouTube episodes? Could be trolls all over again. And it's highly likely.
If Hasbro goes for YT episodes, however, that will annoy me.
@Xort
ReplyDeleteResorting to insulting yourself (read: (transitive) To offend (someone) by being rude, insensitive or insolent; to demean or affront (someone). [from 17th c.]), oh man, this is too good.
Go re read my post and then re read yours and use some logic bro.
Well that kinda sucks, oh well I guess this will just force me to finally start supporting the series and buy the episodes off of iTunes. I wanted the episodes on my iPhone anyways.
ReplyDeleteFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU... I'd gladly buy the eipisodes off of iTunes. If they weere actually available outside of the U.S. -_-
ReplyDeleteGuys, guys, think about it; they paid for the bandwidth used to download episodes, barely surviving through donations, they at least deserve to vent out how ridiculous it is to be hit with a C&D while they didn't even make a profit off it.
ReplyDeleteAs for those saying 'Hasbro is going to see their reaction as the typical brony's', come on! It's not like they're going to truly acknowledge us anyways, other than by driving Studio B's crew to the ground by forcing them to churn out more episodes non-stop. Do you honestly expect them to do anything different?
The kind of things the community wants will have to come from third-parties, that's who we want to appeal to. Hasbro is the Sword of Damocles hanging over the franchise, waiting for the right moment to bleed it dry, they have nothing to give us, save for a timer to gain as much as we can from the series before it eventually kills it off with it's typical corporate greed (which, as I want to point out, is what really all they're about; direct profits. Nothing 'evil' about it, it's just what they do, business as usual).
Ill just reflect what others said and be disappointed by the fact the supply was cut off before a proper alternative, free or not, was established.
@Jon Fawkes
ReplyDeleteI wish I could send you a beer through the internet. LOL
@bky1701 OH, sorry big fella. But it just so happens that ponydoraprancypants did indeed explain why piracy is theft! Thanks, you've been great, better luck next time.
ReplyDeleteAlso, if you have time to post a comment here, you most certainly have the time to send a polite e-mail to Hasbro! Request that episodes be made internationally! You have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Make your opinion known!
ReplyDeleteThe more messages Hasbro gets the more they will pay attention. Get your friends involved, and their friends, and their friends!
http://www.hasbro.com/customer-service/contacts/
I've sent them numerous messages about DVDs and Blu-Rays.
(And again, please be polite about it!)
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU... I'd gladly buy the eipisodes off of iTunes. If they weere actually available outside of the U.S. -_-
ReplyDelete@Heartmend
ReplyDeleteRefer to what Kadreal said.
Plus, Hasbro knows exactly what we want, and they will now after the backlash from the PA stunt.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU... I'd gladly buy the eipisodes off of iTunes. If they weere actually available outside of the U.S. -_-
ReplyDeleteDVDs, Blu-rays or any of those does not replace a high quality Youtube upload that comes within an hour, nor does it replace the 1080p uploads of Ponyarchives, which usually are up in a day.
ReplyDeleteI'm fine with them asking to take the episodes down, but did they really have to tell the archive to stop using the pinkie pie picture, really? What a slap in the face.
ReplyDeleteThis only further proves that all big businesses are douchebags.
Bad things are happening on Youtube. Some bronies are suffering from copyright claims from the real Hasbro. Something about this has to be done, some bronies can only watch My Little Pony Friendship is Magic in Youtube.
ReplyDelete@Sothalic
ReplyDeleteTo me IMO this is pretty much the opposite of what we would want as Bronies.
Love and Tolerance.
@ponydoraprancypants
ReplyDeleteNo, that's life.
While it is quite a bitch to do a bunch of hard work and have someone else come copy it and make money off of it, there isn't anything anyone in the world can do about it. And I don't consider it theft. I consider it copying.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteMirriam-Webster Legal Dictionary
Theft: a criminal taking of the property or services of another without consent.
In IP theft, the thief has deprived the IP owner of property, namely the property right to freely exploit copyrighted material without being subject to copying.
The copier then gives away or sells for a low amount the original IP owner's IP, depriving the IP owner of revenue it would have otherwise received.
Theft.
About damn time.
ReplyDelete@Zamoonda
ReplyDeleteOh I know I'm insulting you. You lost your right to civil discussion with me when you started being a self-entitled baby.
@Octavia
ReplyDeleteAll too true. Looks like I'm sticking to Torrents and streams for now, and I have to apologize for the way I acted in my initial response to you. Refused to reply to it until I finished rethinking my position.
What fools.
ReplyDelete@Phantom240 Sorry, bro, but what you consider theft won't save you when the law says you've stolen something. It doesn't work that way.
ReplyDeleteI guess I should have downloaded all the current season 2 episodes when I had the chance. I procrastinated because I want all the videos in uniform quality. I've already got that for season 1. How much would the entire season 2 cost on iTunes when it's finally complete?
ReplyDeletewell'p it looks like some itunes card like 15 or 30$ will be in effect for ponies of course but thats just me since imma have a job in a few weeks but dont fret, maybe someone could buy the episodes and upload them as Color Corrected on Youtube, if they're brave enough not getting their channel shutted down. but thats all me and i made my choice after Pony archive went to be unappropriate dumbasses, so we gotta own ponies the legit way most of us until another gameplan is altered but until then imma stick with decision with me.
ReplyDelete@Xort
ReplyDeleteThen stop replying, and show some love and goddamn tolerance.
You're in the right, but that nay gives you permission to be a gigantic douche.
@S008
ReplyDeleteThis is very true. The only way I can think of would be for Hasbro or The Hub to stream episodes in 1080p on their own sites themselves, maybe even with commercials or a small subscription fee.
They could even take them down when the DVD containing the episode was releases. That would be absolutely fantastic. If they could do that, I would fully support taking down all YouTube episodes and sites like PonyArchive.
Until then, which will never happen, I fully support PA in their actions.
Oh, and I almost forgot that the only two other options that will ever exist are:
ReplyDelete1. overpriced DVDs with a crappy image and audio quality
2. iTunes, supporting an evil tech company in Apple (funnily enough, also trying to destroy all their competition with the litigation of "intellectual property")
It's just a bad outlook for those of us that invest in high quality home theatre and audio setups plus happen to like the ponies. Hasbro will NEVER offer uncompressed videos like blu rays or high def DRM free movie files. 99.99% of their demographic wouldn't care.
Hasbro has every right to do this, nothing wrong with taking down Ponyarchive, as it is Hasbro's hard work in the first place.
ReplyDeleteI do sincerely hope that Hasbro has a means of getting the show outside North America though, t'would be folly indeed to cut off so many loyal bronies with this maneuver.
As for the "response" from Ponyarchive, this reflects poorly on us all, and I for one fully support Hasbro in this case. Their work brought us ponies in the first place, I'll stand strong as long as their claims seem fair.
Here's to seeing how things progress, bronies, let us hope it all works out!
I find this quite interesting. Here we are on Equestria Daily. Feeding some obvious Parasprites and having some serious Love and Tolerance problems.
ReplyDeletePerhaps PonyArchive being taken down is the least of our concerns?
@ultrarare And from what I remember, they didn't say a thing about Fluttershy, who was also part of the new design.
ReplyDelete@Xort
ReplyDeleteWho said anything about being entitled? I had ceased even arguing with you, and now I am attempting to contemplate how old you are. Are you sixteen? Fifteen? Fourteen? Twenty-two year-old manchild? God knows, I'll have to think of it more. I'm expressing Hasbro are dicks, and I've never expressed that I am 'entitled' to it in any way. Doesn't change the fact they're dicks.
Go learn how to insult, lad. You've got a long way to go.
The whole piracy is theft thing is stupid, just as copyright, at least in its current form, is stupid. It's an attempt to maintain an outdated economical system based on supply and demand in a situation where supply is infinite, thus artificially limiting supply through laws and DRM. Rather than restricting the ability to spread information using technology, the economical system needs to change.
ReplyDeleteAnd you can argue the legality of Hasbro's actions all you like, I don't care what's legal or not, I have my own morals. This takedown was not productive or justified.
The genie is out of the bottle, there are ponies on the Internet, and trying to stop that is just going to anger and alienate fans, especially non-US ones.
And even if people couldn't get hold of episodes, the Internet will move on to something else, and forget all about ponies, and Hasbro has lost a great opportunity to sell toys and influence a great deal of people.
@ponydoraprancypants
ReplyDeleteSo... the right to make money off of intellectual property, is itself property, and you're taking that? It is... meta-intellectual property?
Interesting attempt at justifying an idea not founded in legality, morality, or linguistics! That's more confusing than Deconstruction.
@everyone who is delusional about piracy not being theft.
ReplyDeleteI keep on forgetting how carefree the younger generation is about things such as 'copyright law'. You all grew up breaking the law, and since it's too difficult to effectively enforce, you haven't faced any consequences for your actions. (Until now, when the ponies got taken down.)
But you guys can't seem to comprehend that taking something that somebody made and produced for the purpose of making money without paying them is wrong. You are denying them of money that they earned by making something entertaining. It doesn't matter if the entity being denied their income is an artist just starting out, barely scraping by, or if it is a multi-national corporation making millions a day. The scope of the effect of the crime being committed does not in any way, shape, or form alter the fact that a crime is still being committed none the less.
And seriously, if piracy is all good and sunshine, why is it called piracy, a word that conjures up men in boats plundering from others, instead of making an honest living?
@Detoxicity
ReplyDeletePerhaps.
Love and tolerance is what kept our fanbase together. If we abandon it now, we're as good as doomed.
@Zamoonda
ReplyDeleteThis is a good example of how "Not" to Love and Tolerate. Also it's a great example of how to feed Parasprites. Now you know.
@naahdude I'm all about love and tolerance, but only to a point. When someone deserves it, I'll deliver an e-slap. Now, I do plan on ignoring him now, because I feel I wrecked the guy enough, but yeah. Love and tolerance only applies to a certain extent.
ReplyDeleteActually, went through the same thing last time PA was mentioned. Glad to see you think I'm in the right, at least.
As a Brazilian brony, I'm disappointed. The show started airing just recently here (dubbed with the lowest image and sound qualities possible) and our iTunes store doesn't have... well, anything other than apps and podcasts.
ReplyDeleteI'd definitely buy the episodes on Blu-ray or HD downloads if I could.
Oh, alright, I'll go first.
ReplyDeleteWOULD YOU ALL BE QUIET NOOOOOOOW? *flailing arms*
The chill pills are on the left (feel free to take one), we'll see where this matter goes soon enough.
I love watching MLP over Youtube with my best friends, I can't do it any other way because they don't live next door but far away.
ReplyDeleteI will be really sad if that goes ...
@Xort
ReplyDeleteBronies live to Love and Tolerate. It's what makes us so great as a fandom. What I'm reading in this comment section is making me cringe.
Love and Tolerance.
@Peter
ReplyDeleteYes it is theft. Obviously it's not as serious as stealing something physical like a iPod from Best Buy but it's still theft.
Your justifying by saying it's all these big corporations (the music companies, Hasbro) so it doesn't really hurt them. That's like saying it's ok to steal $10 from a billionaire because he won't really feel it.
I mean we could go on about this but specifically on how this relates to MLP. It's not a victimless crime because if Hasbro feels the show isn't producing enough revenue they'll pull the plug that means all the artists, musicians, voice actors and writers become unemployed and we fans don't get to continue watching a show we love.
So there's your victims.
Come on guys, I thought we were better than this. I for one don't blame Hasbro, I mean they made a great show and we're stealing it (and not matter how you look at it it is stealing), what's wrong with wanting to stop that. It'd be like getting mad at Hasbro 'cause they started punishing people who stole a their line up of toys, same difference.
ReplyDelete@Xort
ReplyDeleteLOL fine, fine. I concede. What really matters here is that more ponies are required!
@Nash
ReplyDeleteI guess you'd rather live in a world where nobody had any profit motive to create anything valuable that could be distributed digitally, because as soon as they spent the time and resources needed to create their product, it would be copied and distributed for free.
If you don't like IP, then you don't want lifesaving medicine next time you are sick. Drug companies spend billions on research and development. If they did not enjoy a period of patent protection, and another company could then swoop in and sell their product for much less, because the second company spent nothing on R&D, nobody would ever create new medicine.
Thank goodness the framers of the Constitution had the foresight to provide for IP protection for the promotion of the useful arts and sciences.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteOk, go look at how many times an episode has been downloaded off of ponyarchive, multiply it by 3 and slap a dollar sign on the end.
You on the other hand, I have a hard time believing would spend literally hundreds of dollars on the merchandise when you wont spend a penny to get the actual show.
The only thing hurting the fandom is all this retarded nerd-rage backlash towards each other, towards the producers, and towards the people making the bloody show. If you want to leave, then leave, I'm sure the fandom will be better off with one less disagreeable ponce.
@Laurence Brown
ReplyDeleteBecause everyone can agree, pirates are cool. I mean seriously, that's why. It was a negative term originally, but now we're got Pirate Parties and Talk Like a Pirate Day.
@Detoxicity Eyup. I think we need an orbital friendship canon to calm this heat. :D
ReplyDelete@Laurence Brown
ReplyDelete>But you guys can't seem to comprehend that taking something that somebody made and produced for the purpose of making money without paying them is wrong.
My god, you don't give up do you?
That's called piracy. You just described piracy. Piracy is illegal. Theft is illegal. Both are illegal. They are not the same.
Not too hard to understand, man.
@Laurence Brown
ReplyDeleteI absolutely hate piracy. People who rip games, music, books and movies are the absolute worst--especially with so many simple, free or inexpensive services like Pandora, Grooveshark, Netflix, Hulu, Steam, GameFly, etc. out there as other options. I'm 19 and studying to work in the media industry, and I would never deny another artist their compensation out of a sense of entitlement.
The thing is: there IS no other option for people who want to watch ponies in high quality, especially if they live outside of the US. Until Hasbro gets their act together and has a region-free 1080p blu-ray stream or DVD release, I fully support those who would use less legal means to watch pony.
@bky1701
ReplyDeleteYes, Intellectual Property is a bundle of property rights. That's one of the first things you learn in law school. It is a basic legal principle that you can have a property interest in rights.
Ponies, ponies, please calm down. We're having pointless arguments because of this, we need to calm down and just see what happens. Hopefully Hasbro will upload the episodes themselves.
ReplyDelete@Detoxicity Love and Tolerate is a slippery slope to being a doormat. There has to be a point where the tolerance stops. To quote a country song that I don't exactly dislike, "You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything."
ReplyDelete@Ahiam94
ReplyDeletePlease, don't you know the reason between stealing and copying?!?!?
We just provided copies for the series... we did not STEAL it.
And you all here have such double standards.
Also, you are all asking for that Gabe Newell quote which notes that piracy is caused by problems with the service, and the only way to stop it is by improving the service.
ReplyDeleteTo put it honestly. Piracy will always be on the internet. I for one have my own opinions regarding it. Yet for its purpose here, regarding Ponyarchive and Hasbro. I still support Hasbro. I will Love and Tolerate there decisions as they've only been accepting of us.
ReplyDelete@Detoxicity
ReplyDeleteI am glad i'm not the only one. I tell myself I won't read the comments but I do anyways.
For the record I can't get the episodes off itunes so I download them, I buy other pony things and if they ever become available either on my useless itunes account or as a DVD set I will throw my bits at them in a heartbeat.
There are programs to download videos from Youtube, so it's all good really.
ReplyDelete@bky1701
ReplyDeleteI'd agree with you if the term piracy hadn't come about before both of those wonderful things ;)
@Detoxicity
ReplyDeleteI've bottled myself up long enough. I've practiced 'love and tolerance' for far too long, I withheld my anger from many forms of posters and even to complete idiots in games such as League of Legends. But for now, this is an excellent place to let out my frustration by laughing at this kid's face.
Telling Hasbro to eff off is definitely the absolute wrong thing to do in this situation, y'know, considering they own the brand name and fund the TV show
ReplyDelete@Zamoonda Ah, finally. Common ground we can agree on. Piracy is indeed theft, and both are indeed illegal.
ReplyDeleteNow come on, folks. Me and Zamoonda clearly don't agree on much, so if we can agree on this, there must be some truth to it.
@Celestia Uh princess Celestia my face is now restored :D
ReplyDeleteGood riddance.
ReplyDeletegod damn it difficult being a british brony
ReplyDelete@Zamoonda
ReplyDeleteUmmm, that's my point, and what I've been talking about in this thread.
You should really pay attention to who you're yelling at. You're directing your anger at the wrong person on this one.
@Xort
ReplyDeleteWe're not making a stand though. This isn't Ponies vs. Hasbro. This is about respecting a company's decision. Is it right? Maybe. Is it wrong? Maybe too. Yet I can understand why they did it. There in lies the fact that I can sit back and say calmly. I can tolerate this course of action.
Love and Tolerance.
@Xort
ReplyDeleteIndubitably.
@ponyarchive I for one DO see it as stealing since it's something that you usually pay for in order to have, but I guess we just have different opinions.
ReplyDeleteSeriously. Xort. Zamoonda.
ReplyDeleteShut. The. Fuck. Up.
@Gigatoast
ReplyDeleteSo every download would have directly translated to $3 to Hasbro, if the site just wasn't there? I am convinced copyright supporters just have issues with causality (cause-effect relations.)
As for what I have spent, you can believe it or not, I have nothing to prove to you, neither does anyone else. I will point out, AGAIN, that there is no real way to get the show legally. I will not download from iTunes because I consider Apple an immoral corporation seeking to destroy the world. Perhaps an exaggeration, but the point is that I won't support Apple and don't feel I should. I also would be more inclined to buy DVDs if they were actually being made like every other show out there. As it stands, I basically cannot buy the show.
@Detoxicity
ReplyDeleteI think you're misunderstanding here. I do respect Hasbro's decision, and agree with it. I'm talking about Zamoonda, not them.
@Zamoonda
ReplyDeleteThat's understandable and I know the feeling. And since I can relate to it, I will tolerate it. One brony in pain is everypony in pain.
Love and Tolerance.
Dear PonyArchive,
ReplyDeletePlease act in a more responsible manner. Namecalling helps nopony.
Sincerely,
The Internet
@Laurence Brown
ReplyDelete...
Woops, my apologies. One in the morning, busy paraspriting one guy, trying to debate properly on AIM, and posting about piracy and theft. Too tired, sorry for that.
Hm. Bad idea to call out to Hasbro like that, though I AM severely disappointed it had to be shut down. I'm willing to pay for episodes but I strongly dislike using iTunes.
ReplyDeleteI just hope that the Hub is aware of the REASON for Ponyarchive (the inaccessibility of legal content outside the U.S.) and has a plan to rectify that.
ReplyDelete@naahdude
ReplyDeleteGahhh I can't delete this comment
By the way, I totally think Hasbro is crazy for shutting down the distribution of the show, because Hasbro doesn't make very much money from the show itself in the first place. There must be some licensing agreement they've gotten themselves into that makes them have to shut down sites like PA. I'm just trying to stop the absolutely inane argument that piracy is not a form of theft. That's absurd, and it pains my tiny little lawyer heart to read.
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ReplyDelete@naahdude
ReplyDeleteI'll pass, I'm enjoying myself.
Keep in mind the ones disagreeing are the vocal minority.
ReplyDeleteThe vocal minority.
The THE GOOD DAMN VOCAL MINORITY.
Do you know what the vocal minority is? It's the few odd people who talk shit and somehow represent the entire community doing so.
@naahdude Hmmm... How about no?
ReplyDeleteActually, I'm considering picking the flamewar back up now just to irritate this palooka. What do you say, Z? Wanna sling some more insults out of spite?
You shouldn't categorize piracy purely as theft. Sure, it's mostly used for what is theft, but you can't always derive monetary loss from it.
ReplyDeleteSince taking down every pirate site and sharing network is, as of now, a dream, I really don't see how taking down this particular site will improve on anything. One can consider it a step, of course.
@Xort
ReplyDeleteThe comments are flying by quite fast. Misunderstandings are probably quite common. In terms of Zamoonda I can only suggest not feeding him if he's a Parapsprite. Or accepting his different position and tolerating it.
Love and Tolerance.
@ponyarchive
ReplyDelete"We just provided copies for the series... we did not STEAL it."
*Facehoof*
I'd hope Hasbro would wait until the box set to take down the online stuff. Once they sell FiM season 1, I won't care at that point.
ReplyDelete@Immaneuel Kanter
ReplyDeleteWe're pirateering, and I just find myself not caring about their legal rights. I want to watch it, means I will watch it. If I can't pay them, tough luck, it's their fault.
@Zamoonda
ReplyDeleteRight, I regretted that comment pretty much instantly.
Luckily for me, since I'm on a wordpress account, I can't delete it. So just ignore the message :P
@ponydoraprancypants
ReplyDeleteAnd you completely ignore my actual point. What is the article that is being removed from the copyright holder, which allows piracy to be called "thief." A one-sentence answer would be nice, one word better. Meta-intellectual property is all I can glean from your attempts so far.
Lashing out at Hasbro is not the way to handle things. As Seth said an actual download site was probably taking things to far. I am actually surprised that Ponyarchive lasted as long as it did. The best way to support and acquire the show is through legal means, iTunes (even if it is ridiculousness expensive) and the soon to come official DVDs.
ReplyDeleteI do hope that Hasbro will work out a deal with Apple to make the episodes available internationally. But people will probably have to wait for the episode to be released on TV in their country before the iTunes download would be available.
@Xort
ReplyDeleteI finally agree with something you said! We can't let Hasbro walk all over us. Have some self-respect...
Holy crap, how did another 200 comments appear by the time I posted mine?
ReplyDeleteThere seems to be a lot of argument over the whole piracy thing. I myself was part of an anti-piracy activist group a while back (I'm still anti-pirate) and from what I know the issue itself boils down to the law. I don't mean to sound harsh or crass when I say that it doesn't matter what your own morals are, the law is absolute, and breaking those laws is a punishable offense.
I understand that a lot of laws are unreasonable. The great thing about living in the US is that we have the ability, through petitions and other legal means, to change those laws. So don't think I'm all for supporting the law, I do believe that people themselves have their own rights outside of the law.
After for the "piracy isn't theft" issue, the people who believe this need to open their eyes and take intro to economics or something. It doesn't matter what the dictionary says, or what you learned in elementary school. I won't bother explaining, because I think @Gigatoast and @ponydoraprancypants did a fine job explaining the real issue.
What we need to do is look at the issue from Hasbro's perspective and cross it with our own. You should understand the reasoning behind their argument as well as your own before you yourself pose your argument.
Time to read through another 200 or so comments
Hasbro was correct in their actions. As we've all seen, they tend to turn a blind eye to the streams and MLP:FiM communities (unlike Paramount and Star Trek websites in the late 90s. Remember that?), but when it's all boiled down to gravy, they still have to protect their copyright. PonyArchive was the step over the line, and instead of understanding Hasbro's position and taking it with dignity, they chose to act like petulant children.
ReplyDeleteAll I can do is hope that Hasbro realizes that PonyArchive does not represent the Brony community, and that they continue to be as wonderfully tolerant of us as they have been in the past.
Everypony, please calm down a bit. I know that the removal of Ponyarchive has hit many of you hard, but you guys have to realize that it still is piracy. Many which could support the show, do not because of the free access. I'm also not from the U.S., but we always can go watch ponies on YouTube if the lack of better alternatives forces you. And if you REALLY want pony episodes on your computer, well... there are plenty of alternatives which aren't that hard to find. Though I won't name those because I don't really support piracy. But I also understand that some of us do what they have to do, and I won't stop you. (I think I'm rambling at this point now)
ReplyDeleteBut seriously, please exercise restraint and think of what the ponies would do? We will get through this. Don't get separated now. Please.
@Xort
ReplyDeleteMaybe, but I'll probably regret degrading myself to this level in the morning.
Sure why not you scumbag, I'm up for that.
The word "Theft" is not accurate in describing why the episodes on YouTube and PonyArchive illegal. A far more accurate term would be Copyright infringement. (Per U.S. Copyright law: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.pdf )
ReplyDeleteMLP:FIM country of first publication is the United States, so U.S. Copyright applies.
You can find a bit more about "Fair Use" here: www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html
The long and short of if is that we are infringing copyright by redistributing and reproducing a copyrighted work without permission.
That said, once more, please, PLEASE take the time to send an e-mail to Hasbro and ask for more legal ways to watch the show.
I agree with this post; Don't bite the hand that feeds you; A bite gets you bitten. It would also be good to promote the show in more countries and Youtube is a good source for many to watch the show.
ReplyDelete@bky1701
ReplyDeleteI've yet to see Hasbro walk over us at all. I don't believe it's a self-respect issue here either. I can see that you are upset though, and as such I will tolerate your opinions on the matter.
Love and Tolerance.
@Laurence Brown
ReplyDeleteCopyright holders thought "oh they're dirty sea scum!", pirates thought "hey, we're badass guys with guns robbing the Spanish!" It was a fundamental disagreement over meaning of the word: pirates ultimately won. Even Disney agrees now.
Might make you think twice about how you throw around "theft."
@Detoxicity
ReplyDeleteI think we're both paraspriting. Technically speaking, paraspriting is saying something you might not believe it, intentionally stupid, or intentionally irritating to invoke emotional response. So neither of us are quite paraspriting, neither of us all that much care about it either way. So it's a form of, lord knows what to call it.
@bky1701
ReplyDelete>exercising legal rights
>walking all over people who are breaking the law
Yeah, not what I was getting at. Sorry bro, you're still a thief.
That said, I don't have a problem with it. I do it myself. But you aren't right.