We will try to dig up some information on it. Until then, all we can really do is sit back and wait.
Youtube is a pretty massive aspect of this community, and the driving force behind getting people into the show, so seeing stuff like this puts everyone on edge. Please try not to panic though. When these waves of bans happen, they rarely hit more than 3-4 channels. I've also never seen a PMV get banned (outside of a full channel ban for actual episodes). So those are probably safe.
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Hasbro, not Habsro. Wow.
Suppose we'll just have to wait and see... Probably a bunch of Parasprites flagging videos.
inb4 /Habsro/ Inc. takes down all PMVs too.
Ya, at least it's spelled right this time.
Probably more trolling.
One is too many. Even though I watch it on the hub, it's still sad to see that there are those who are unable to see it now.
Twilight said once "Did Youtube plan this?!"
Looks like she was right.
Oh those Parasprites. When will they learn....
I have a feeling it's the same trolls from last time who have now learnt how to spell "Hasbro" correctly.
Now i fear my own channel...unless Pony episodes with blind commentary doesn't count...
Okay, nopony freak out. It's gonna be okay. Keep calm and canter on.
Thank you. You may now resume your regularly scheduled program.
Hasbro's legal department has every right to bring down the banhammer on the youtube episode channels. It sucks but it's not like there aren't 7 other avenues to get episodes.
I don't know... right after the "Smile" fiasco? The timing kind of worries me.
@Khainzor
Actually, Hasbro (might have) planned this.
So did Hasbro actually order these to be taken down? Or is it random people flagging videos and Youtube automatically taking them down?
@Fengor
We never said it wasn't within their right; the thing is, Hasbro treated it as free marketing. The chances that it was them are slim.
Let’s hope it’s parasprites again. I just told somepony today that Hasbro has been cool about our fandom material.
It's true we can easily watch/download the episodes in other places but you can't beat YouTube for the best pony viewing experience.
You have the easy to use video player that never fails + hilarious comments at the bottom.
I'm guessing it's the same parasprites as last time. Keep calm and canter on.
Oh snap! I don't want to watch that crappy dup of FiM. But seriously, probably just parasprites.
great, now I have to rebuild my playlist, AGAIN!
As far as I could tell, they were just the season 2 episodes that had been linked from here in the new episode postings
@Fengor God this FUKIN COMMENT SYSTEM
Anyway, some ponies don't like having to download bulky media files.
Point is, if Hasbro have decided to take the banhammer out for a spin, then it's bad news. If it's Parasprites, screw love and tolerance, sometimes you have to be nasty to be nice.
*sigh* I remember when I first had my favorite channel banned, I flip-out for sure because I wasn't aware of how many channels there was.
Now I'm not too worried since I purchased the seasons (pass for season 2 included) on iTunes, but I still enjoy watching them in synchtube; where I normally chat with my fellow Bronies on GameInformer Online... Thankfully if they're all taken down (the episodes) at some point we'll have PMVs left. =/
Assuming it is Hasbro/The Hub behind this they could just make it easier on themselves by signing a content deal with YouTube and putting all the episodes on their official channel.
Well atleast they didn't take down Beanyones channel, he's spent ages putting closed captions onto all of the episodes. It would be quite unfair to say the least.
It's always been trolls before, it's trolls this time too.
Remember that you don't need any proof of identity to get YouTube to pull any videos. All you have to do is mention a company name and YouTube will react without confirming the veracity of the claim. It's a horribly exploitable system.
And disregard anyone who tries to plant the idea in your head that Hasbro really is doing this now. For all we know, they're in league with the people filing the fraudulent claims.
@Melanie M.
If it's only the ones linked from here, that raises the likelihood that it's parasprites in my mind.
I really hope this doent have to do with the upcoming dvd and hasbro turning evil. For celestia's sake i hope hasbro will continue being awesome to the community so we can support them any way we can.
I hope no one starts bashing Hasbro's Facebook and Twitter and stuff...
Hmm. Well, that's certainly too bad - they got the channel I used to marathon Ponies when I found the series a month or so ago (yah, I'm late). I guess I'll just have to slip the video files I got through torrent onto my tablet to watch whenever I'd like. And (finally) setup my TVR for Saturday mornings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozb-a5bn4_A
Thats what to do.
it ain't Hasbro, this one's "Hasbro, Inc.."
trolls
Assuming Hasbro is behind this, it probably makes sense. You have to imagine how much money they're missing out on when the majority of the people watching this show AREN'T watching it on their channel.
That said, I hope Flutterfan is right. Maybe they're going to put up their own Youtube channel. That would be nice.
In any case, we really ought to support the Hub a little bit more, too. At the very least, for new episodes.
It's deffinitly not Hasbro or The Hub doing it. Didn't one of them release a statement saying they saw the episodes (as well as PMV's) on youtube as a form of free marketing?
It's likely just the trolls again.
It has to be trolls, because if it's just episodes linked from here you would think Hasbro would have a word with the site admins about the torrent and download links. Also, the new main S1 channels haven't been bothered in a while.
The Horror THE HORROR!
This is Awful!
@claw
From what I've heared, the toy's and other merchandise sells so well that the lack of watchers in the HUB isn't the issue.
@vvp
Meh, everything is subject to change. Still, I am just a little... paranoid... about the far-too-vague "season 3" drama a few days ago :(
@claw
Still, even if it's Hasbro, the case here is, as Notch put it, "Lawyers being Lawyers", and this has nothing to do with the ratings since I've heard that they're great.
@claw I think I missed out on that, what happened regarding season 3?
DAMN YOU HABSRO!
There, I got it out of my system.
OH NOES!!1! HABSRO IS TAKIN OUR PWNEEZ DOWN DIS IS SO UNCOOL! GRAAH I HATE YOU HASBRO YOU NEVER LISTEN TO US FANS! LOL I'M NEVER GONNA BY ANOTHER PONY AS LONG AS I LIVE!
[/sarcasm]
There. You trolls got what you wanted. Now GTFO.
Whenever videos are deleted I feel bad the YouTube comments are gone.
Because some of those comments are the funniest things I've ever read.
Eh, this too shall pass.
Yes Hasbro has every right to do it IF it is them, yes it's probly trolls. However if it IS hasbro, I will be royaly pissed. The only reason I could accept for them removing the videos from online, is if they had another way for bronies to watch them at will. In other words, give us a box DVD set for S1 and S2 after it ends.
If they do too much, we may have to somehow create a Ponytube.
Oh I hope this passes by quickly :/
Back when AngrytigerP's videos were banned, there were trolls using the name Hasbro, Inc. So it is obviously trolls again. Also, from what I remember, I believe that Hasbro doesn't care about videos on Youtube due to the fact that they only really care about merchandising the products.
my black friends says "watch cartoonsonline.com"
They banned the channel that I watched my first episode on -sniff- It made me very sad.
/yawn
This again? Well, I hope they feel some level of accomplishment in taking down a few pony streams.
Especially considering how many dozen others still exist.
And how many more dozen will come up to replace the ones that were lost.
Not to mention that the ones they got taken down will probably be back up in a few weeks' time anyway.
So... yeah. I guess they can take great pride in knowing they thoroughly wasted their time.
It's trolls- there's two periods at the end of the company name in the notice.
It's just trolls being trolls. If this was something that Hasbro was doing, it would be much more wise spread and thorough, and they would most likely send the blogponies here at EqD some sort of 'Cease and Desist' notice, since they have links up to the episodes in a very prominent place.
No, the only that really upsets me is the fact that there are losers out there who think that doing crap like this is a viable form of entertainment. If this is how far they have to go in order to do something that amuses themselves, they must be living truly pathetic and craptastic lives indeed.
@StarbriteStarbrite, you're a genius. :D
Thankfully, the channel I use isn't flagged.
I won't say what it is because I'm sure a troll will show up sooner or later to mock us.
Relax, everypony!
This would be the 3rd banning wave I've experienced so far and every single time parasprites were the reason. Hasbro and The HUB are cool with this, the original target demographic wouldn't even watch it on youtube.
So keep calm and canter on, everything will be alright.
I went home to open up my labtop and log in, then I went back to opening up the Sisterhooves Social episode, I refreshed the page in order to have the video not freeze, but then when I refreshed the page, I find out that it was removed by "Hasbro inc." because of copyright claim, but I think it might be a troll again.
Considering there are lots, including myself that doesn't have the Hub channel...YouTube has been the only way to watch the new episodes quickly. If this turns out to be serious then I guess I will have to run to iTunes or just cave in for the season pass... But, judging by the last time this happened I'm sure it's just Parasprites. We really need to get Pinkie in there and take them out.
YouTube should implement some sort of system to check that it's actually the copyright owner making the claim and not some random person sitting in his mom's basement.
@GaryGibbonAdding that to my life's list of great philosophies.
That view can't get too high, can it? I mean, that would make it look like ponies are actually popular!
/sarcasm
I'm guessing this has to do with the Smile Smile Smile stuff. A lot of people were flagging videos that day.
Since there's a DVD release upcoming, now it's time to buy them instead of streaming.
Commencing conversion and upload to mediafire. Will post link when completed.
eh this happens every other month.
there are so many channels that upload, and so many people who can that it won't be a problem for long.
At least there's ponyarchive.org :D
I was one of the people (if not the only one) that got hit in this round. It sucks, but hopefully I'll be able to get my videos up again. Maybe I'll even avoid getting sued, who knows.
btw the vast majority of channels are still up, I just searched for episode 4, and there are still a massive amount of uploads up.
so don't worry, this happens but we always build up again.
We should probably just calm down and wait.
If this is the treachery of some trolls (which it probably is) they kind of win if we all panic.
So remember: Keep calm and love ponies!
Thank you for your attention and good night
@MichaelXX2
it was you, that other guy who uploads REALLY fast, and FAQmetalomega as far as I can tell.
My videos are still safe. They don't get viewed much like the other people, but they're still up.
For Celestia's sake, we've already been through two rounds of trolls flagging MLP episodes on YouTube; at this point nobody should even be suspecting that Hasbro might have something to do with this.
@GabuEx
>2
try more like 5 or 6
we've had this problem since like mid season 1.
@GabuEx
Still can't hurt to have a secondary "hard" source. They may be able to pull youtube vids, but not if it's somewhere else.
I expected it as the DVD's are starting to come out.
As long as they don't affect PMV's or music and just the full length episodes I am fine with it.
Well, they have no reason to, it's free advertising, most likely more bloody trolls :(
Good idea! I'd watch them on an 'official' hub channel so long as the adverts weren't appalling!
im actually surprised it's been so long since the last wave, the last banning's were a bit more than two months ago.
Keep calm and canter on. That has a nice ring to it. . .
kind of like . . .
DON'T PANIC
@Mojo
Was it that many? I don't remember that many.
My point still stands. :P
You people do realize that on YouTube, anyone can claim to be "Hasbro" and file DMCA reports against videos?
=/
@GabuEx
yeah this happened like every month for awhile.
it's actually been awhile since the last one.
back then this was a actually a problem as there weren't that many channels.
but now this is just a drop in the bucket of Pony youtubes.
as always they targeted the channels with the most views.
I watch mine on T.V.
Gotta support what we like yo
Dumb Youtube. Why you no like ponies? I don't think it's Hasbro's doing, they still love us. It's just videos being flagged cause that's what happens with Youtube (some people are offended by the plot maybe). True story, when I first gave FiM a shot one of my very first thoughts was, "Holy crap, there are A LOT of ass shots in this show!"
there are plenty of other ways to watch the show if you dont have the hub personally if i miss the brony state livestream i just wait till later in the day and download the episode in HD whether it be a torrent or from some other site
I would HOPE that since they have been letting us post the episodes on Youtube, that if it was really Hasbro, they would send out some sort of "cease and desist - you have seven days to remove MLP episodes" Notice before banning channels. I am not really sure of the likelihood of that, but one can hope. I have a shit ton more than just MLP on my channel, and if it got outright banned, I would be extremely upset.
Oh youtube... when will they learn that they cannot stop ponies, the only winning move is to join us!
Yeah, it's quite likely just trolls doing it yet again. Pretty certain anyway. I wouldn't worry too much. Though it still sucks when they start doing it.
I highly doubt this has anything to do with Hasbro.
It never does. Always parasprites.
Remember "Habsro"? Yes? No?
Its a troll under the name Hasbro like it has always been.
There's not really much to worry about. We went through a wave a bans a couple months ago, but look at us now: We're no worse off!
And even if most channels get taken down, after the dust settles, people will re-upload everything, and all will be as it was. It's like a forest fire, in a way.
Normally I'd find this kind of thing not even worth mentioning but with the recent announcement of the DVDs, I kinda wonder if Hasbro is maybe starting to be more strict with their copyright policies.
well, given that I went on /b/ for the first time in months today for about five minutes and I saw two seperate pony hate threads I would almost put money on it being someone from /b/ causing it.
You know, if I was at Hasbro and read all the comments on here the other day saying why buy a DVD when they are free on YouTube, then I would probably take them down too.
That said, I doubt this was Hasbro.
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatermarkfreePonies?feature=mhee#g/a
My channel is so far unaffected so you can watch them there & in no longer than 24-48 hours time I would have season 2 episode 5 up & running.
I'm gonna call it now: It was some lame-ass troll abusing the copyright flagging system. We'll live. Everyone go back home.
@Kawaiipikachu
Good stuff! Thanks.
Does anypony know what happened to voodoopony's channel?
@Fengor
"Hasbro's legal department has every right to bring down the banhammer on the youtube episode channels. It sucks but it's not like there aren't 7 other avenues to get episodes."
The Hub: Not in UK
iTunes: Not released in UK
DVDs: Not released in UK
What's the other four?
@Lavender Harmony
What's the other four?
Torrent, Dailymotion, iTunes, and various streams.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "It is trolls". The signs point to troll activity, not to real action from Hasbro. Companies do things a certain way and this is just too imprecise to be the work of any company laweyers.
Stay calm and canter on bronies and remember, we will prevail.
So yeah, my channel is down TEMPORARILY. I'm planning on getting in contact with Hasbro and their legal team to see if they can either confirm or deny that this was an official response. If it is not, I will be challenging the takedown (maybe with Hasbro's help!) and getting the channel and videos restored. If it IS Hasbro, I will first see about obtaining a license to rebroadcast the show, and if that fails... welp, that's just the way of it.
Well, perhaps Hasbro's getting rid of the Youtube accounts now because they're going to start selling DVD's like a lot of people wanted. That could actually be a good thing. I'm not worried yet.
@Mike I doubt it's Hasbro. Because this is the 4th or 5th round of this happening this year.
@XyroTR1
It would be cool if you could also throw in a mention of me while you're in there so I won't be hit with any of this in the future.
You can buy them on Itunes, that way you can support the show and have them forever. Not trying to sound like I think I'm better than anyone else.
@Highhyde
Correction: you can buy them on iTunes or watch them on the Hub if you live in the right part of the world. I am prevented from supporting them probably by severely outdated copyright laws. I wouldn't be surprised if the only way for me to get the DVDs was to import them.
@HeyMyNameisJustin
I'd probably buy them on iTunes if that was at all possible. But no, iTunes doesn't sell TV shows in Finland. And of course we can't watch the Hub here, either. Can't support them even if I wanted :P
@JiiKoo
I'm so selfish, I didn't even think about that. Something needs to be done about this.
I have all the season 1 episodes on my account in 720p if anypony is interested. Low view counts atm so hopefully they'll keep under the radar for now. youtube.com/user/SoulSilverIV
PMVs really depend on the song.
You know how WMG is about that sort of thing...
@JiiKoo
Another Finn here, and I agree, I fear the day Hasbro throws the stick into our gears and ruins the fun for the rest of the world. All I can do to support Hasbro here is to buy their toys and damn those things are ugly. I guess as a token of my appreciation I'll shell out for some pinkie pie merchandise though.
@Mattwo
But it's never Hasbro that does it, but the record label. Even then, I've put up PMVs with two WMG songs (Colony of Birchmen by Mastodon and Lithium by Nirvana), and while they were flagged, nothing happened about it.
Yeah, my entire group I had put up on Facebook for all the MLP episodes, every single one of them, removed. It certainly angered me to no end. And now I'm getting reports that Steam has been hacked? What the hey is up with today?! I guess the darkest night is just before the dawn, for tomorrow, Skyrim comes out and I won't have one care in the world (So long social life!) Anyways, to get back on topic, this sucks, but I've already found plently of other channels, so it's all good, MLP can never be put down for too long.
@XyroTR1
yeah don't do that.
even if it ISN'T them, they can't really legally help you.
If it IS Hasbro... well, they have every right. Like it nor not. It sucks if you are affected by it, but there's not much we can do.
As far as I know, Hasbro aren't the type to be a**holes about people uploading content from MLP. But they're a commercial company too, so of course it's more than possible. Youtube on the other hoof, is known for delusional levels of censorship. So in their case, I more than expect such behavior out of anything.
Seems like the trolls are stroking their tiny e-peens again. Honestly, what we shoukd do is mass YouTube and demand a better copyright system
@Mojo
If he got confirmation, it'd prove to YouTube that trolls are abusing their expolitable system.
Considering the history of this, it's TROLLS.
Honestly, it's almost getting to the point now you can mark your calendar by this.
Taking bets, December 15 we'll see the next round of pony bans on youtube.
@HeyMyNameisJustin
Nah, nothing wrong with what you said. And you're right. Something should be done. I hope they'll release DVD or Blu-ray sets of full seasons, those I would buy even if I had to import them.
@Athorist
Those toys definitely ARE ugly... I checked our local website for Hasbro and the only thing I could even consider buying were the blind bags. At least there is eBay if I really wanted something. The shipping fees are bad, though. A pillow that costs $20 in toy"r"us would end up costing almost $50 from eBay -.- (pillow example because it's the most show accurate official thing I've seen so far. Plus, you can't have too many pillows!)
Also, yay for Finns!
It's not Hasbro/HUB. I'm pretty sure someone on staff said they were okay with the youtube videos.
It's just trolls again.
Well at least the channel I use didn't get affected I go to Beanyone, he's got all the episodes so thats nice. :p
@drakethedragon
and in the event it wasn't trolls it might spur Hasbro to go on an actual flagging spree.
I just think we should be cautious.
I uploaded my first PMV the other day and it was taken down earlier today, so they are far from safe. I chose to dispute the issue with Youtube, and although my video still seems to work if you have the link (Check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOJqZqulC-0), it won't show up if you do a search for it. Granted though, that issue was due to the music, not the video.
@Mojo
Well if it is actually Hasbro, there's not much we can do, they have every right to remove the episodes if they want. It's their show.
But as many have already said, I doubt it's Hasbro.
noes!
i really should download all the episodes in HD, just to keep them safe on my harddrive, if not only to be able to watch them whenever i go somewhere that doesn't have internet access...
Wow this sucks, I hope that odd movie by rainbow dash wasn't one. It was like a messed up version of Cupcakes.(note: no gore or violence was used and they do not follow the script at all really. Also there was a pun at the Dash shipping, thankfully there was not.
I wonder if the banhammer might have fallen on those channels that were carrying the leaked Pinkie Pie song... (checks) Nope.
@Warden
Nope! Its just Chuck Testa!
Anyway, my channel is still up.
Well thats a bummer
Honestly, I think my channel is relatively safe since I rarely post updates on EqD. It has that air of anonymity.
Or something. I dunno. All I know is that my channel survived two rounds of this thing already.
@JiiKoo
Actually, I think Hasbro knows about the videos, cause someone mentioned them on Hasbro's Facebook page, and they didn't seem to care. This just reeks of trolls if you ask me.
SHIT
Don't tell me Hasbro Inc., didn't take down the Smile videos and took down the ACTUAL PONY videos which I asked them NOT TO TAKE DOWN along with any other pony videos that isn't containing the leaked song.
Shit.
Dailymoiton is currently carrying all of season 1 as well as season 2.
I had my google/Youtube accounts ''locked'' for 1-1.5 day, for some mysterious reasons...
Sent Google an email... a few hours later everything was back to normal, and they said it simply had been an ''anomaly(quote)''.
Yeeeeah... What is it call again, when 'big places' do random stuff to ''scare people'' in not doing something ?
A terror campaign ?
I've heard of people who got copyright notices and video takedowns for videos of the channel owner talking. There's something wrong with Youtube. I bet I could get a five second video of my face taken down by claiming to be George Clooney... even though I look nothing like any celebrity.
That said, these could be legit takedowns by Hasbro. Then again, they might not.
They're trolls: Hasbro apparently likes the support.
PMVs: Can't be taken down 'cause counter-claims of Fair Use are really easy for them (unless the music itself is what's being complained against -- see WMG).
Episodes: Taken down? Go to that download site, reupload and Bingo! A new set of Closed Captions to spam Ponibooru with!
IDK why the trolls bother doing it. Especially since most have the episodes downloaded to their computer anyway. And when the DVD's are released it'll be even more pointless. Besides after the last time they did this several dozen people reuploaded the episodes.
As for demanding Youtube make a better copyright flagging system: Forget it. The current system complies with the DMCA and that's all they care about. If it causes problems for people "oh well. Let them sort it out themselves with the counter claims (which gives the trolls your full contact info). At least we won't get sued".
All I can ask is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCd68voVGsk
I seriously, seriously doubt Hasbro would take down YouTube uploads in a misguided effort to guide people towards DVDs. The people who buy DVDs have already seen the show, and want to be able to watch them from on a bigger screen in a comfier setting, with or without commentary. They're also the collector types.
And of course, there's also parents of the target audience.
It serves no purpose to mess with the gigantic cult following and slow down the snowball that's happened before they've had a real chance to exploit it (and putting up DVD sets while simultaneously taking down videos is a mistake; DVDs are for collectors; casual fans will just turn to piracy which is easier, and meanwhile they'll actually lose casual fans instead of continuing to gain new ones exponentially). They've been really smart about letting this thing go so far due to their non-intrusion, it would be weird for them to make a blunder like this now.
So yeah, pretty sure it's trolls. A handful of uploaders got hit. Probably everything will blow over in less than two weeks. And if it is Hasbro, that would be a considerable about-face and I'd consider having more to do with a management change than anything else (new management often causes drastic and often idiotic changes in corporations).
Wether it be trolls or hasbro, grr. I found this show through menlos channel back in august, shame most of it's down now :(
I feel bad for the bronies that don't have the Hub, but all the cool kids watch it live and DVR it
@Lavender Harmony
geez, we have lots of channels in Youtube with 1080p pony episodes (and ponyarchive :P). It's not something you should worry about. I live in a country where the closest thing we have to G4 are Mcdonalds toys and I'm sitting on my ass here without a care in the world about this.
People, also remember there is almost ZERO chance it's Hasbro because YT episodes=free advertising/people can watch and turn into bronies easily.
MLPFIMHD has not been taken down, you can still watch episodes on mlp-fim.com in HD.
You are STILL using YouTube!?
SERIOUSLY. YouTube sucks. Upload elsewhere is all I can say.
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