Some of the New York bronies + Bejoty have put togeather a quick PSA For you all to browse through. It gives some good tips on dealing with the media as a whole. This fandom is growing at an astonishing rate, so it is only natural that several TV agencies will be all over it. Please take a few minutes and read over the information after the break. Knowledge will benefit us all.
Now with a live reading for the lazy ones out there.
Hey everypony. We know that some of you were wondering about why Sethisto had pulled that post regarding the TV production company’s interview request from Chicago. Well, the reason he did so was because this company produces TLC's “shockumentary” TV series called “My Strange Addiction”, in which they film people with weird fetishes and fixations.
Now, we know that some of you have emailed them for a request to be interviewed. Please understand, however, that they will be most likely be looking for a “weird” brony, possibly someone with a “pony fetish” or the like. Of course, this sort of person wouldn’t be representative of the brony fandom in general.
It’s important to remember that when talking to the media, we need to put our best hoof forwards. Despite the immense popularity of MLP:FiM on the Internet, the average person still has not heard of “bronies”, and-- if and when this production company finally produces a program on bronies-- it may in fact be many viewers’ very first exposure to the concept of a “brony” at all. Therefore, whoever represents us on such a show will be the ambassador for our entire little subculture.
Needless to say, if bronies make a bad “first impression” on the viewing public, the result could be a PR disaster that could affect all of us. If the first interview subject chosen is awkward, creepy, or even simply unattractive (let’s face it, TV is a visual medium and people are, sadly, judgmental about this kind of thing), people both on and off the Internet will end up mocking us all.
This is generally a fun, kind, light-hearted subculture, filled with people who just like to enjoy themselves. We’re a harmless bunch, and we enjoy doing good both amongst ourselves and for the world at large. That should be the message that we want to get across here. Particularly if they are first exposed to our ranks via an intentionally sensationalistic program such as “My Strange Addiction”, the brony-naïve viewer is going to go into this thinking “Men? Men who like My Little Pony? What, are they gay or something?”-- and that’s a best case scenario. Worst-case scenario, they might assume that we are sexually repressed or-- even worse-- pedophiles. We need to anticipate these misconceptions, and pre-emptively counter them.
While we can’t tell you not to go along with the production company’s request for interviews, it’s probably best to recommend caution. If you’re considering being interviewed for the show, think: “What would the average person think upon seeing me on TV? What would the bully from my fifth-grade playground think? What would my mom think?” If the answer to any of those questions is anything less than stellar, perhaps you would be best to simply tell the production company “no thanks”. Remember, the goal of this program is to entertain its viewers, and sometimes, a train wreck is the greatest sort of entertainment. As our subculture begins to garner more and more media attention, we have to all be wary of our public image. If anyone is to represent us publicly, it should be the most photogenic, intelligent, well-spoken, most “normal”-appearing bronies we can muster up, since whomever appears on TV as a representative of the brony community will be taken as exemplars of typical bronyhood.
As a reminder, the viewing audiences of TV shows can be brutally judgmental. For instance, talk show hostess Wendy Williams has been mocked for being tall and broad-featured, and has been slurred as “tranny” and “Wendell” by anonymous trolls on the Internet. Her fellow hostess Oprah, despite stellar success, is regularly mocked for her (past or present) weight. TV show guests, as well as hosts, can be subject to this kind of intense and mean-spirited scrutiny and mockery. Even perfectly ordinary-looking, ordinary-sounding people can be, and have been, raked over the coals for minor and very ordinary imperfections.
This isn’t meant as a piece of scaremongering, but simply a reality check. Television exposure may sound glamorous, but it can be brutal. Even the slightest perceived flaw can, and will, be picked apart and brutally mocked by anonymous trolls, both on and off the Internet. If you’re considering appearing on TV as a representative of the brony community, make sure that you would be a good ambassador to the world. If you have any doubts, just politely decline the opportunity.
Yours truly,
Purple Tinker, Cabal, & Bejoty
Now, we know that some of you have emailed them for a request to be interviewed. Please understand, however, that they will be most likely be looking for a “weird” brony, possibly someone with a “pony fetish” or the like. Of course, this sort of person wouldn’t be representative of the brony fandom in general.
It’s important to remember that when talking to the media, we need to put our best hoof forwards. Despite the immense popularity of MLP:FiM on the Internet, the average person still has not heard of “bronies”, and-- if and when this production company finally produces a program on bronies-- it may in fact be many viewers’ very first exposure to the concept of a “brony” at all. Therefore, whoever represents us on such a show will be the ambassador for our entire little subculture.
Needless to say, if bronies make a bad “first impression” on the viewing public, the result could be a PR disaster that could affect all of us. If the first interview subject chosen is awkward, creepy, or even simply unattractive (let’s face it, TV is a visual medium and people are, sadly, judgmental about this kind of thing), people both on and off the Internet will end up mocking us all.
This is generally a fun, kind, light-hearted subculture, filled with people who just like to enjoy themselves. We’re a harmless bunch, and we enjoy doing good both amongst ourselves and for the world at large. That should be the message that we want to get across here. Particularly if they are first exposed to our ranks via an intentionally sensationalistic program such as “My Strange Addiction”, the brony-naïve viewer is going to go into this thinking “Men? Men who like My Little Pony? What, are they gay or something?”-- and that’s a best case scenario. Worst-case scenario, they might assume that we are sexually repressed or-- even worse-- pedophiles. We need to anticipate these misconceptions, and pre-emptively counter them.
While we can’t tell you not to go along with the production company’s request for interviews, it’s probably best to recommend caution. If you’re considering being interviewed for the show, think: “What would the average person think upon seeing me on TV? What would the bully from my fifth-grade playground think? What would my mom think?” If the answer to any of those questions is anything less than stellar, perhaps you would be best to simply tell the production company “no thanks”. Remember, the goal of this program is to entertain its viewers, and sometimes, a train wreck is the greatest sort of entertainment. As our subculture begins to garner more and more media attention, we have to all be wary of our public image. If anyone is to represent us publicly, it should be the most photogenic, intelligent, well-spoken, most “normal”-appearing bronies we can muster up, since whomever appears on TV as a representative of the brony community will be taken as exemplars of typical bronyhood.
As a reminder, the viewing audiences of TV shows can be brutally judgmental. For instance, talk show hostess Wendy Williams has been mocked for being tall and broad-featured, and has been slurred as “tranny” and “Wendell” by anonymous trolls on the Internet. Her fellow hostess Oprah, despite stellar success, is regularly mocked for her (past or present) weight. TV show guests, as well as hosts, can be subject to this kind of intense and mean-spirited scrutiny and mockery. Even perfectly ordinary-looking, ordinary-sounding people can be, and have been, raked over the coals for minor and very ordinary imperfections.
This isn’t meant as a piece of scaremongering, but simply a reality check. Television exposure may sound glamorous, but it can be brutal. Even the slightest perceived flaw can, and will, be picked apart and brutally mocked by anonymous trolls, both on and off the Internet. If you’re considering appearing on TV as a representative of the brony community, make sure that you would be a good ambassador to the world. If you have any doubts, just politely decline the opportunity.
Yours truly,
Purple Tinker, Cabal, & Bejoty
























356 comments:
This is a very well-thought out and insightful post. We really dodged a bullet there; can you imagine if someone had been on TV talking about their Rule 34 pony collection? Personally, I have no quarrels with people who clop to ponies, but I agree that the public might think that we all are that way if that sort of "fetish" was shown on TV.
ReplyDeleteWorse; if you actually give the interview, you WILL be heavily bullied for that.
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ReplyDeleteI agree that we have no reason to respond to this media request.
ReplyDeleteAnother, less Fox Newsesque (you all know precisely what I mean) show might be a better option, but a brony-made documentary would be best.
However, we have one advantage over the furry community. Mainly that we’re… I’d say we’re on Hasbro’s good side. On our own, we provide a nice little bit of publicity for the show. And we buy things. Oh lordy, we buy things.
So yeah. Ignore the MSD claptrap and find a better way to get on the world stage. Preferably by getting up their our own dang selves.
I think the fact that we are discussing this proves that we are not a bunch of fetishists and whatnot. These comments are all the research you need to find that we are normal people(if not intellectually and mentally superior for like ponies).
ReplyDeleteYeah, it's in Hasbro's best interest to try and keep us favorable in the media. A good representation of us = more Bronies, which leads to more pony sales. Hasbro will do what it can, but it only has so much influence.
ReplyDelete@iWolf
ReplyDeleteThis. Motherf-ing this.
Now now, guys. Don't get overdramatic. I have faith in this community.
ReplyDeleteWe just have to find someone who wants to tell the other side of the story. That shouldn't be hard, since the people who want to tear us apart are obviously more devious than us. The media might find that our enemies make rather juicy targets.
I wouldn't count on support from Hasbro on the PR front. You realize should the worst happen they might just C&D us to oblivion to protect themselves . . .
ReplyDeleteLet's look at this logically though. What do we stand to lose by doing interviews? Anywhere from nothing, to little (a few laughs at our expense) to a lot (major PR problems). And what do we stand to gain? I can't think of anything. (This isn't a religion. We don't score points by winning converts).
Unless we expect to gain more than we lose the community policy should be to discourage interviews.
@Favo So we can paint it like Rainbow Dash and fly it at air shows, right?! Right?! Damn that would be awesome!
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding me?! Ugh, I hate that show! My mom watches it and I leave the room when it's on... it's degrading to say the least!
ReplyDeleteA Brony is EXACTLY the type of person that would be made fun of and feared, regardless of the truth. Television puts a terrible light on things, and for many, it's the only source of information.
If this thing does air, and they paint a bad picture of bronies (they'll find someone to do it I am sure.) this could be really disastrous for our community. And being a female brony, my mom will probably be fearful of ALL the community. (I don't want to banned from anything pony)
AGH, I hate TLC... they will air anything for the money won't they...
It's inevitable that eventually there will be negative portrayal of bronies on TV. No fandom has escaped that. What we need is a plan, so that when it happens, we can respond intelligently and quickly to fix any negative publicity.
ReplyDeleteEveryone answers every question with: "Well, I'm not someone who should be used as a measuring stick for the entire group, but..." In addition to sending all our good-looking bastards and hot chicks and maybe bind-and-gagging all those not worthy of the title Brony, i.e. pedos and horsefuckers, should they try and claim bronyhood on camera.
ReplyDeleteActually, no, fuck "My Strange Addiction". We aren't addicted to jack shit, so we're a little outside their scope.
I just don't understand people. Why is there so much infighting in our community? Why do some people believe they are "holier-than-thou" compared to other fans and thus "more worthy"? Why can't we just all put aside our differences? Why does it matter what a person looks like or what they like to do? That said I think this is some serious overreaction going on here. Also why are people so afraid of losing face? It's a goddamn kid's cartoon show. It's not life or death. In the end, we're all going to die, so might as well try to get along while we're here. (Not that I like the idea of shows like this that go out of their way to humiliate people)
ReplyDeleteI think a lot of furry fandom's media problem has been uptightness. If you act like you have something to hide, people will pick up on that really quickly.
ReplyDeleteI hope the brony community doesn't make the same mistakes.
@duffdawg
ReplyDeleteYou don't understand media do you?
@Bulimisexual Parasprites Because you know MLP is just SO dangerous... (it is addictive though) I always think the same thing when I see that show, they try to disgust their viewers, and it works... It's a terrible show that exploits people. Those people who appear on it probably get ridiculed and will be for the rest of their lives.
ReplyDelete@duffdawg
ReplyDeleteoh yeah, I know what you're saying all too well. This fandom does nothing but crap on people that don't toe some imaginary line; I've dealt with it since joining it and it's tiring to say the least. I must say I'm tired of always being judged but I keep trotting on anyhow.
That being said, this case is slightly different because people are already viewed in an odd light just for liking the show to begin with and again, everyone knows that they will pick someone who will make good television and edit them to remove any possible dignity they could possess as human beings.
See, there are some stories about MLP which are interesting, and news-worthy, and show the fandom in a positive light.
ReplyDeleteBut you have to think about the medium.
The fact that My Little Pony is back, and it's different, and it's got a huge adult, significantly male following is interesting as hell. For a news article in the culture section of a newspaper, or a magazine, or a slot on a tv show dedicated to film and music.
But who, ever, would produce a 30 minute cable documentary about that? There is no reason to do a full length basic cable show about how the production values are great, and the character design is really expressive, and the community's really friendly.
But a 30 minute show about how DUDES LIKE A GIRLS' SHOW AS A MEANS OF COAXING SMALL CHILDREN INTO THEIR BASEMENT LAIRS is totally the sort of thing you could do a show about.
So if anyone gets a chance to talk to the press, think about how it's going to look. And bear in mind that you could speak eloquently for quarter of an hour about the show, and the fandom, and finish with a joke about stupid sexy Twilight, and that last bit could be the only part that appears in print. And it might have been totally obvious at the time that you were joking, but that won't be apparent in print.
I don't think all journalists will be out to get people, but it's always good to have a healthy mistrust of the media. Speaking as a journalist.
Glad to see this sort of thing. Reality checks are always useful.
ReplyDeleteCan't wait for episode three tomorrow!
Actually I'm not really too worried. I am a bit disappointed that people here are still talking about sending *any* of us to do interviews even though the consequences are likely to be small. Yes, haters gonna hate, but we don't have to make it easier by dropping our pants for them. It's irrational.
ReplyDeleteThis is great PSA for the Bronies of all types should read.
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ReplyDeleteNo matter what you do, DO NOT give the fucking interview. If you're doing this for the fandom, think about what your life will be like after that.
ReplyDeleteI PRAY that if someone does go on the show that they dont make us all look like a bunch of creepy people so please PLEASE if you go on the show DO NOT SCREW IT UP
ReplyDelete@duffdawg
ReplyDeleteYou tell us to "put away our differences and not pick only the most worthy people" but that would be like jumping off a cliff. They're looking for exactly the different people, those who clop to ponies, that like seeing NSFW pony stuff...
The best-case secenario is that no bronies agree to appear on the show. That way there is no risk of misrepresentation.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, we sort of have a bit more positive coverage already than the furry fandom did; if we avoid this show (from which we may have much to lose and relatively little to gain) we'll be fine.
@Carrie This is honestly probably our safest bet, it's like being offered to touch a burning pan- Are you going to do it to show you've got the gut even if it means people will mock you for it, or will you decline and avoid injury altogether.
ReplyDeleteI still feel someone might try to go on, but for the love of god I hope they realize that it's a horrible idea.
Y'ALL SETTLE DOWN NOW.
ReplyDeleteCome on. Furries have withstood this sort of thing and are not 'reeling', unless your definition of reeling is selling out four major hotels in Pittsburgh for their biggest convention, and getting press like this:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11175/1155879-53.stm
There's no reason to cooperate with crazy press that's out to create a freak-show. Nobody cares. The businesses in Pittsburgh, looking to score five million dollars of revenue from furries, do not care about some lame television show.
Hasbro doesn't need to care about some television show breaking what they've built. Even if they can't pull strings and cancel the segment denigrating bronies, they can shrug it off. Money talks, bullshit walks. 'Strange Addiction' TV is bullshit, recogize, avoid and ignore.
Y'all freaking out over a stampede of bunnies. Calm down and resume bronying. =)
or i could aquaint them with my friend known as as a Desert Eagle and have the bullets form a D-Link with their face (KH:BBS reference)
ReplyDelete@scada brony
ReplyDeleteYou're f%@#ing kidding me, right?
It was only a matter of time before some producer spotted bronies. I haven't had anything more than television that my aerial picks up for over 10 years. So if I were to hear of this show it would be through the internet.
ReplyDeleteI like ponies too much to really worry, but after seeing what happened to furries... Yeah, I'd be careful around this [addiction] show at least. I dunno about the rest of the media, but it seems like it's a show run by trolls for simpletons.
@Favo
ReplyDeleteyup,and we shoudlnt worry cause if they do something bad regarding bronies and the show that show will get cancelled because like many said before TLC is part of Discovery who owns hasbro so yeah we shouldn't worry.
@Flutterfan
ReplyDeleteThanks to this comment I started saying Brony non-stop for about half a minute.
@scada brony
ReplyDeleteThe title of the show plus the subject already result in a generous downfall.
@Navy Brony
ReplyDeleteAs soon as I got back from Afghanistan, I started drinking heavily. One night, drunk as f*ck, I got on the internet. I don't remember it. Woke up the next morning, hungover as f*ck. Went to get on Facebook, saw a tab up with the first episode of MLP:FiM. I watched it. I watched all of them over the course of 2 days.
I haven't touched a drink since. All that anger I used to have is GONE. As corny as it sounds, it helped me cope.
Haters gonna hate, man. This show probably saved my life.
Marine grunt here, 2/3 (not giving out a company. Call it paranoia)
@Applejinx
ReplyDeleteI agree furries are still going strong, but the Vanity Fair article on them is absolutely brutal, and pretty much a textbook example of how taking a few off the cuff remarks and hanging out with a few of the more intense members of a subculture can make for a grim few pages of reading.
Someone commented on the original post saying that it was from the people who make that weird addiction show...
ReplyDelete@Favo
ReplyDeletebut what about the fact of MLP's rating and all the fans it has, it's all over the internet and have you ever heard or know anyone who has heard of this "My weird addiction" show? i know i havn't and i bet MLP:FiM has way better rating and fans then this weird thing on TLC.
Kingdom Hearts reference. But I stopped keeping track of Kingdom Hearts after it got stupid.
ReplyDelete@scada brony
ReplyDelete... Oh, balls, not this sort of sentiment.
No, you're not going to shoot stab murder bus airplane knife truck banana jones anyone or anything because that's just bloody unnecessary.
We have no reason to play MSD's game. Ignoring them is the best policy, hands down.
OH WAIT HOOVES DOWN I FORGOT THE PUN :J
@Carrie
ReplyDeleteyou clearly didn't keep reading and see my next post and figure i was kidding.
@scada brony
ReplyDeleteStill doesn't means we shouldn't be concerned/careful about this.
But... but... I'm the media, and I'm a brony.
ReplyDeleteWhat do?
@Sovereign1023
ReplyDeleteThat's so awesome, I gotta quote that on Facebook.
well for the time being lets calm down and wait to enjoy october 15th episode when it airs, sound like a plan?
ReplyDelete@scada brony
ReplyDeleteGood idea. Now if you excuse me, i'll drink till i start crying.
I think the best way to get Good PR is if somebrony get's themselfs onto The Colbort Report! I mean dude clearly is a brony as well... Therefore will give us the best possable light we can get!
ReplyDelete@pmcollectorboyGo for it, man. My life's changed for the better.
ReplyDelete@Favo
ReplyDeleteum... i thought friendship was magic not sadness @.@
Tell Makkon to do the interview, problem solved! /semi-joke
ReplyDeleteAw, horseapples, I saw this coming. Everyone, get the hell away from them and hope for the best.
Also, Seth didn't even post their email, did he?
@scada brony
ReplyDeleteNo, I didn't think you were going to actually do something that stupid. Especially when you mentioned the Desert Eagle.
But that sort of juvenile "I'll shoot them with a million lasers rarrr" comment is exactly what we don't need. That will not get us anywhere. Especially with that general sentiment being pretty much against the main message of the show.
I really shouldn't have to spell this out.
I wish I didn't have to spell this out.
As for chilling out and waiting for tomorrow's ep, sure. Do that if you feel it is best. Others may prefer to keep discussing for now.
"Remember, the goal of this program is to entertain its viewers, and sometimes, a train wreck is the greatest sort of entertainment."
ReplyDeleteListen. To. This. I've seen one PR disaster after another hit furry fandom, or pro wrestling fandom, or RPGers, because someone decided to be 'cute' and act like a loon for the cameras.
Just remember, reporters are not there to be your friend. They are there for a story -- and fandom as a whole, not just the bronies, are freakshow material in their eyes. In the unlikely event that you're at a con or meet of any sort, just keep your response to a simple and polite "No comment" and leave it at that.
"Needless to say, if bronies make a bad “first impression” on the viewing public, the result could be a PR disaster that could affect all of us"
ReplyDeleteWhich is exactly what happened when furries were first discovered by the media. Perverts were sought out for the shock value, and a number of them were perfectly happy to either seek the spotlight or try and present their fetishes as "perfectly normal" to the general public.
This didn't just reveal that furry fandom had some pervs in it; it served as advertising to draw more in. We had, and have, no central information or control point, so all attempts at controlling the public image problem devolved into individuals and small splinter groups running around with their own agendas. The result has, of course, been a complete PR disaster.
I applaud Sethisto for using EqD's position as an information clearing-house to nip this problem in the bud before it starts.
This... Could go horribly wrong...
ReplyDelete@Xel Unknown
ReplyDeleteBetter yet, everyone who gets on My Strange Addiction, go on Colbert the day before it airs and decry that they'll probably make us out as sick fucks. Because love and tolerance is something that seems lost to the world outside of us.
Yes being an intelligent person is a wonderful thing, but without the aesthetics, no one will ever listen to you long enough to hear what you have to say.
ReplyDeleteWho watches TLC anyway..
ReplyDelete@TheRaggedyDoctor
ReplyDeleteI do believe you said it all right there, my friend, and far more eloquently than I probably could have. Kudos.
INB4 SOME WEIRD-ASS GUY GETS PICKED AND MAKES US ALL LOOK LIKE PEDOPHILES
ReplyDeleteLook at the title of the show guys, they want to make us out to be dangerously obsessed. Sad thing is, since our fandom is something that hasn't really been seen before this 'show' will spin it as something shocking and perverse. Hopefully those that emailed the show will see this (if they heard about it off the blog, I hope that means they are regular readers).
ReplyDeleteI say pass the word along to other parts of the community; if the show doesn't get enough interviews they can spin and distort into something shocking to the average person they wont find it worth their time. They're looking to exploit us because they think it'd be easy, don't let them use us to fuel their awful show.
Honestly, I feel I would be the perfect kind of face for this if I didn't live with my parents to save money while attending college (senior year) and working a job. Also, I could be called out as a little nerdy and shy based on appearance even though I'm an experienced with speaking in public while presenting my own research. I think my age (22) is about right to not give a creepy-old or immature vibe. Dunno if that's enough to make it a bad idea--not that I really would want to do this for any other reason than not being the worst they could show.
ReplyDeleteHere's my angle, the kind of statements I feel are safe to make:
I was recommended the show by a trusted friend right around the time I saw it used to make a funny video, so I gave it a fair shot.
I ultimately attribute its popularity to memetic mutation, though it certainly has its own merits.
I appreciate the little comedic twists in the animation and its character-driven nature.
I appreciate the fact that it is ironic that the show is good. (If they want a little joke: "The internet is a strange and magical place" with heavy sarcasm, only if not a print interview.)
I find it adds a little charm to my life to balance out the daily grind.
I am not embarrassed about liking the show because I know the reasons I like it and they are perfectly normal. The only obstacles would be the stigma of the franchise, which I have set aside, and the fact that it is about magical cartoon ponies. However, shows like Fairly Odd Parents are beloved by many teens despite having a similar kind of magical and traditionally feminine side.
I consider buying merchandise to encourage the production of more seasons, but have not because I really don't want to display it and have no other use.
I am impressed and fascinated by the way the community continues to produce high-quality art, music, and even games.
I don't attend any kind of conventions because I feel meeting people from the internet in real life is generally an ill-fated idea.
I am certain that there is plenty of unsavory material related to the show, but that is the nature of the internet. As someone who grew up mostly in the online age, I've learned to ignore it.
(If asked further about the above.) By asking so much about unsavory fringe elements, you are clearly letting bias into your documentary. (They will never, ever show this but I think that blocks them.)
I believe all these statements are positive in tone towards the show and neutral/universal if they need to dodge a question. Also, I would lie if forced to answer a personal question that would reflect poorly on the fandom (because sometimes "refused to comment" sounds just as bad).
@snowfi6916
ReplyDeleteWell, the Fox News thing was on a parody show anyway. Anyone who took that seriously is an idiot.
Wow, that show look REALLY bad. I for one would hate to see a brony segment come after "Woman Eating Her Deceased Husband"...
ReplyDeletePlease don't take them up on their offer. It's not worth it.
I recommend blunty as spokespony :O
ReplyDelete@Lupus Albus
ReplyDeleteOkay, who amongst us looks like Neil Patrick Harris (or whoever the soccer moms clop to) and has the same public-speaking ability as Lupus here? Every one of you, memorize that list of lines, re-write them to sound natural from you, and go on.
Gah, lost my comment through my own stupidity. Anyhow, short version. My Strange Addiction isn't as obscure a show as some people are painting it, here. It's a fairly solidy performing show that brings in an average of 1.8 million viewers on first run, on a station known for running repeats and marathons. In comparison, the FiM season 2 premiere pulled in 300,000 and change. Which is great, given the Hub's distribution. Sure, many of you may not have heard of MSA because we're not TLC's target demo, as a general rule. But it gets a fair amount of water cooler chat and moms out jogging talk time.
ReplyDeletegood information!
ReplyDeleteAnybody who does apply for this show and gets picked? Warning: odds are you're either A) Creepier than you realize, or B) Just risible enough that they figure they can edit you into creepiness. If you're personable and completely sane, this show is not interested, because you may be a great Brony but you're boring TV. I didn't see the warning as 'Hey, only perfect people should apply!' but as, 'Hey, this show will find what's imperfect about you, amd you should know that before you let them take advantage of you.'
ReplyDeleteWell like with every fandom/community/hobby/anything, TV is usually looking for "shocking material", because it sells.
ReplyDeletePersonally I haven't been "hunted" by any these media-studios. But who knows, maybe that will happen my future career sooner or later.
This guide is extremely useful for those who are bit more new to media itself. and especially temted to get in glamor spotlight. However, we usually know what happens (if we are to believe numerous amount comics and cartoons with morale-stories shown past 20-years, hint hint). And actually similiar things are being said from time to time in various hobbies and converntions too.
Thank for posting this guide for media-newbies. :)
Ask Billy Mitchell how documentaries work.
ReplyDeleteBilly Mitchell played a lot of Donkey Kong, and has at various times held the world champion title in points. He lost the title to a man named Tim Sczerby in 2000. Billy congratulated Tim. A man named Steve Wiebe took the title in Donkey Kong Jr. in 2002. Again, Billy congratulated Steve and took no effort to regain his titles.
Then a terrible documentary called King Of Kong was made about Billy Mitchell where he was shown being just a general asshole and engaing in unethical behaviour when his title was challenged to regain it. Most of it is simply fiction, but it is very well done and entertaining and that's enough for most normals. Now, every time that I see mentions of the movie or Billy Mitchell in forums, it's always negative. Any mentions of factual problems in the narrative are brushed over and they refuse to change their opinion of Mr. Mitchell.
Jason Scott (the computer historian guy) wrote this short overview of the problems in the movie (http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1303), and this article which is a _lot of words_: (http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1310).
Video arcades (and competitive play at that) aren't a larger subculture than Bronies. Take the King of Kong as the warning it is.
To be honest, I personally think we're screwed.
ReplyDeleteIf we do talk and are "normal" they'll screw up what we say.
If some of us do act they'll take the ones with the least socially attractive attributes (other things they like, how they act, how they look, etc.) so we get screwed over by stereotyping.
If none of us talk, they'll bring in actors.
I'm sorry if I put a damper on anypony's mood, but even not participating will get us screwed.
Rhyme unintentional.
@OnBook
ReplyDeleteWhile i'm still sober. The show IS as obscure as we're trying to warn people about. "Eating Her Deceased Husband"? "Pulling Hair from the Drain"? And then after that "Men who like MLP". Look at the episode guide. A facehoof to you.
I like to believe that, due to network association, the TLC show wouldn't get far with its hyper-negative shock-umentary. However, I do think that we need to hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.
ReplyDeleteOf course, the only thing one part of the media would love more than making fun of us would be making fun of another side's minterpretation. If we could compile some sort of short, simple project, and have it ready to go to respond if/when the TLC episode airs (assuming it portrays us in a negative view), then we would have an excellent opportunity to make a different view of ourselves to present. Better yet, by focusing on the general misinterpretation of our community as a whole (rather than just TLC's), we would have an easy response to all of the poorly-based mockery of our community.
So, time for the beginning of an idea I like to call "My Little Misconception":
We could open with a series of short clips, featuring well-known faces in the community. Start out, give each one a few lines at a time, and explain the unexpected birth and growth of our fandom. Then, come to the subject of the incredibly poor characterization of our community by the media. Explain that the only side ever shown has been the fringe elements, made to make us look as bad as possible. Finally, offer a real view of our fandom.
To supply that view, we could compile as many self-submitted images from bronies as possible. Then, either make a rapid-fire display of them, or combine them into one large image to display, while layering individual audio recordings of "I am a brony" to sound as a group. (Think of those "I am a Mormon" commercials as inspiration; ours would be similar in concept, but at least 20% cooler)
What would really be incredible would be to get a clip from the creators in the opening. Thiessen, or Wootie, or, god bless us, Faust, appearing in the opening would serve as an incredible boost for our image as a whole.
By by compiling a short, simple representation of our community as group of fairly regular, normal people, we could have a tremendous impact on our image.
Of course, this isn't fully planned out, and isn't a one-person project. However, regardless of the form it eventually takes, we, as a community, need to create a positive, pro-fan view to submit to the world at large. Just because we're used to being mocked, and don't mind, doesn't mean that we have to be.
@Paper Crease
ReplyDeleteIn that case... I'll be in Hollywood killing millions in the name of TMZ to get back at the media.
Why not just get out there, show the world just how nice we bronies are though the internet. I'll spread the brony love in my other fandoms, tell people we not this fandom of pervs and drive on from there. From what I see posted here we are all good normal people., I did nt get that weirdo perv feeling from anyone. I mean a fandom about a show that teachs you the magic of friendship... how bad could we all really be?
ReplyDelete@Servicerevolver the only thing to do is pray for Luna...
ReplyDeleteI've seen pretty much every episode of "My Strange Addiction". The show is entertaining but extremely formulaic. The format of the show is as follows:
ReplyDeleteIntroduction of the addiction by the person with the addiction. This part is usually portrayed somewhat positively.
Some misleading statistic of how much money, time, is taken over an entire year (to make it seem large). White text on a black background. Ominous music is played.
They talk about their daily routine, how the addiction is involved, how far they've gone, how they hide it, etc. They show the person going through their normal daily routines. More scary music.
Then, they bring in friends or family, or some acquaintance (someone that doesn't know about the addiction). There is always a confrontation, the friend talks about how weird it is. Tries to convince them to stop their addiction, cries etc. The person with the addiction is nearly always defiant, so the friend recommends counseling or a doctor (depending on the addiction). Seriously, this happens every episode. This is the lamest part of every episode because it's so obviously staged.
They go to the counselor/shrink/etc. Usually they come up with something bad to say about the addiction and suggest some treatment or some medical scare story. On a very rare occasion with the Dr. ones, they actually do find something wrong medically, usually not tho.
The person with the addiction discusses their visit and what they thought. They say what they plan to do (whether they will change, want to change, etc).
Then the show has a report from "later" about what happened. Did they end up cutting back on their addiction, stop, increase it, etc. Scary music if they didn't stop their addiction, happier music if they did.
That's why they are looking for people that are obsessed with ponies and hide it, where it affects their life, etc. That's the only way the format of their show makes any sense. So if you are a normal person, they don't even want you for the show. Unfortunately from what I've seen, the people that fit that description are usually kinda dumb and are seeking attention (my best guess is they are sick of the addiction, so they decide that outing themselves to the world is their best hope of shaming themselves into a cure, plus the show probably pays for everything and gives them some $ on the side). So rest assured, they'll find someone and it'll be a total train wreck.
The only way that us bronies can get a unprejudice, fair representation of ourselfs is having a "odd" person represent us. When I say "odd", I'm describing someone that would never be easily looked at as that stereotype.
ReplyDeleteLet's do a guy who looks like he's from "Da
Hood" (Remember, just a S-type example)
He is Black (Slightly Mexican would be acceptable)
He doesn't really need to have muscles
He wears sunglasses, a nice lookin hat, sweat gloves, a hot @ss jacket, Necklaces n' Jewlry that all fit together in a good style
Is he a drug dealer?Is he a Pimp?
No, he's a Brony, and he starts free-raping (Hopefully good) about the show.
You see that? No one would expect that, but really all I hope is we all don't get labeled as mentally ill or pedophiles....
@Fluffeh
ReplyDeleteTime for the only sane statement that you all should listen to I'm going to post in this thread ever.
Ignore me, listen to everyone I post stupidity in reply to... including Fluffeh
@Favo It's ridiculous and stupid yes. That doesn't mean people don't watch it, is all I'm saying. Does that mean panic? I'm sure as heck not panicking. Someone will do it, and they'll pick the weirdest nut they can find. No skin off my back. I think the fandom can weather it. I just would hate to see somebody sign up to do it thinking nobody they know's going to watch the show, get edited into creepertown, and then have to look Aunt Edna in the eye over Christmas dinner. If they realize that's a real risk and they don't mind it, then that's a different animal, IMO.
ReplyDeleteWhat strange is that if this is done by TLC, which is owned by Discovery Communications, and The HUB, which is part of a cooperative agreement between Hasbro and Discovery Communications, then why would they allow it to take place? It's in complete conflict with their own interests!
ReplyDelete@calamari
ReplyDeleteOkay, I'd watch this episode just to see how this formula would fucking work with Bronyism
Woulda been nice if you posted something like this a little sooner before people would have started auditioning like mad.
ReplyDelete@Favo F-22 raptor? are you CRAZY?! we better buy a PREDATOR!
ReplyDeleteThe ABSOLUTE WORST CASE SCENARIO would be a troll posing as a brony. This can happen, I mean like, don't those crazy christian groups or advertising businesses have posers? It's possible right?
ReplyDeleteI don't mean to get all dark on all you guys...I was just thinking...
On second thought, I believe this fandom is too strong and talented to fall that easily.
Of course, Remember not to take the group's reputation for granted.
LOVE AND TOLERATE! ^^
Well, if it helps at all, in the face of hatred from other people do as the motto says "Love and tolerate."
ReplyDeletethat and consume things that are inflammatory thus stopping them from inflaming others.
I guess my point is, regardless of what the media says about us take it in stride and be like Ellen, wear something people don't understand with pride and don't let it take you down.
If they do smear us can we sue them?
ReplyDelete"Even perfectly ordinary-looking, ordinary-sounding people can be, and have been, raked over the coals for minor and very ordinary imperfections." Yes! Not me!
ReplyDelete@Lofwyr it will be interesting if happen something like that with the current situation, especially since they are messing with a good group of people!
ReplyDeleteThis article is flawless. I'm not only studying TV/Radio and Digital Media in school, but I plan on having a broadcasting career upon graduating college. And rule #1 is always, Always, ALWAYS think 5 times through anything you say or post on the internet. Especially social media!
ReplyDeleteI've been watching the show for just over a month now with my girlfriend. It's entertaining, and we've adopted a few of the references to our own inside jokes. I speak for both of us that we want to see this series reflected into a positive light. That last thing we want to see is a very good kids show, with excellent writing, classic animation, and humor for all ages (oh yes, we've found the hidden alcohol jokes) go to waste because a documentary is going to shine the white hot light of shame on it.
TLC? That network hasn't been worth watching in Forever! So much for "the Learning channel" (granted the same thing can be said for quite a few number of networks.)
ReplyDeleteI don't think this show, even if its "producers" get what they want will be the end all of Bronies.
If the episode in question gets too "out of hand" then Both Hasbro and Discovery will likly find some way to either avoid having it get out to the major public or will never have it air.
Right now Hasbro and Discovery have a nice goose that can lay "pony" golden eggs. They are not planing on frying up that goose any time soon."
...Well as long as they don't try to be like "other" networks... that always cook the goose...
If they are going to go ahead and produce an episode on bronies they will dig up the creepiest, most perverted individuals they can find, completely ignoring all the normal people they come across to spin the topic the way they want. Sadly, there's not much we can do about that. Really, up to now, broines have had a fairly decent time with the media. That late night Fox news segment was very tame compared to what it could have been, and I recall seeing an article in Maclean's Magazine that was somewhat positive about the show and the brony fandom.
ReplyDeleteThis also ties in with why I don't like it when things like sexually suggestive images pop up in drawfriends, it just provides ammunition to our detractors that they can use to slander all bronies as being sexual perverts based on the disturbed perversions of a few.
Still thinking Fluffeh's counter-ad idea is a great idea.
ReplyDeleteAh, TV news. Even other journalists hate TV news journalists. Sensationalist and vain, all of them. It's a disgusting trend in a disgusting industry. It's the radio guys that are the cool ones. While TV is slow to embrace the internet, radio stations were forced to adapt years back. We got the advantage, and if worse comes to worse, I don't think TV news will really be missed.
ReplyDeleteI think we all may have jumped the gun a bit and started thinking WORST CASE SCENARIO myself included. But I think what is being said here is that we shouldn't stay away from media entirely just shows like this. Now as to what someone said as to people "being holier than thou and putting our differences aside" that would be great and all but unfortunately real life media wants a story and their most likely gonna want the outliers of the fandom who take it to the extreme. Granted they are part of the community and aren't the representative of the community as a whole when you're interacting with the media why not bring your best.
ReplyDeleteRegardless if they get they're person on "My Strange Addiction" it shouldn't affect the thing we're all here for and that's MLPFIM
The best defense is a good offense in my opinion! I say we, THE BRONIES, MAKE OUR OWN DOCUMENTARY TO COUNTER TLC BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!! Or we get bill Clinton to be our spokescolt. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE TALENT AND SKILLS TO PULL OFF SUCH A FEAT!!!!
ReplyDelete@TheRaggedyDoctor
ReplyDeleteYou, sir. You and your post there need to be stickied at the very top of this blog for at least the next two years.
@Chaos Knux
ReplyDeleteIf I could get some support, and get a group of people to work together making this, I think we could make something truly beneficial.
If there's anyone interested in helping out, go ahead and hit me up with an email, through my profile page.
Um, guys. The show that actually contacted us WASN'T My Strange Addiction. It was Hidden Lives. It's only the same people, not the same show.
ReplyDeleteWait... I've got another question...
ReplyDeleteDoes "my Strange Addiction" and/or TLC have a viewer/ fan forms or boards?
If they do have a fan outlet, why not take our concerns there? Have a few well versed Bronies make our case there, and connect with non-Bronies by comparing our fandom to theirs. (especially if this does ever end up airing, and if it does in fact go down as badly as others have suggested.)
They're fans don't have to become Bronies, or even ever like MLP, They just need to know that the show can and will exploit any and all fanbases including their own, and they may want to help.
We as fans, need to reach out to fans of other shows... even those of "My Strange Addiction"
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ReplyDeletewell, shoot. everyone link this to every brony you know is considering an interview. I'd actually recommend completely ignoring the casting call, as whatever anyone says will be used against us to garner a more "interesting" story and as a result more viewers. I have a reeallly bad feeling about this...
ReplyDeleteOne of the best ideas I've seen so far in the comments is a Brony-made documentary about the Brony fan-base. In other words; fight fire with fire. A show like 'Strange Addictions' won't accept a Rarity, they only want Pinkie Pies to point and laugh at.
ReplyDeleteThis fandom has an increasingly large number of high-quality artists, musicians, writers, video editors, animators, and free-lance game designers. None of which would be properly researched or displayed by standard tv media. We need to beat them to the punch, and bring some of these people out into the spotlight, even if it is just through a series of Youtube-mentarys. Heck, we've already started via the 'How I became a brony' compilation.
And we could also show some of the odder bronies in a much better light than regular tv would ever bother to do. Exemplify the whole 'Love and Tolerate' mantra that MLP:FiM is about; something that Bill Maher or John Stewart would never do. Pinkie Pie is off her rocker, but she saved all of Ponyville from the parasprites.
p.s. Sorry, deleted the previous comment due to poor sentence structure/copy-paste gone horribly wrong...
"...and then one Brony would rise up and lead all others to victory against all forms of trolls and slanderers, and finally end the age long war...."
ReplyDeleteThe producers who make these "let's gawk at 'weird' people" shows are abhorrently contemptible and the programs they fabricate exist on a level below fart humor and blatant unambitious smut. Like a tabloid, only without the added academic credence of the reading it requires to peruse such a tome, if they can be called such.
ReplyDeleteYou dodged a bullet. When CSI did their episode on a fandom that I dare not bring up hear due to the consequences of said episode, it was devastating. Let alone impacting the way the media and the internet viewed the group, it changed the actual fandom. People thinking they were signing up for what they saw in the episode approached the group, and it was saturated by them for a few years. Only recently have the original ideals and interests of the fandom been able to overtake the marginalization. Still, it will take time to repair that damage.
Let's hope Bronies aren't misrepresented that way as well. Maybe this time, things will be different.
@calamari
ReplyDeleteHoly guacamole! I'm kinda scared, if what you say is true then this doesn't look good at all, "put the freakiest brony on tv, to get bad impressions"
Anyways, I don't know if there are some bronies who have severely changed their life routine because of ponies, I mean, I think Bronies are just a wonderful, talented and united fandom, nothing else, it's not like a lifestyle, right?
I kinda knew this would happen. I remember making a joke when I first heard about the fandom (and had a prejudiced opinion that watching My Little Pony was "strange") that we'd see bronies appearing on TLC.
ReplyDeleteJinx.
There's a very possible chance that the very concept for the 'My Strange Addiction' episode would backfire. We're less than 12 hours away from the full start of season 2, which means we'll have even more content to power the show's momentum. By the time they shoot, edit, and air that episode, we'll have dozens of new episodes hitting. With the larger fanbase that developed tremendously during the hiatus (the hiatus, people!), the excitement over these new episodes is greater than any other episode before!
Suffice to say, it's a very real chance that being a fan of My Little Pony will become as accepted and common as being a fan of Family Guy, South Park, or Futurama. You never really know what can happen between now and the airing of the 'My Strange Addiction' episode on bronies.
While realistically it won't be as mainstream as Family Guy (just contemplating "what if"), there's still a very real possibility that it will gain enough acceptance through the second season that an episode painting bronies in a negative light will be trumped by how "normal" this "strange" addiction actually is.
It's really the best we can hope for. We have several months until the general public gets exposed to bronies on MSA, so the best we can do to prepare is just continue being a well-rounded community of kind individuals, and hope for a solid season 2 to give us even more content to show that this isn't your average Saturday morning shlock for little girls.
As someone belonging to other subcultures which have been profiled like this, I can safely say we all have nothing and everything to worry about.
ReplyDeleteIf you expect to be portrayed objectively or even fairly, or hope to change hearts with eloquence and normalcy, worry.
If you understand the outlet for what it is and can exploit it in turn, don't.
Obviously, if you are featured on 'My Strange Addiction' YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE NORMAL. Anything but strange would undercut the entire premise of the show and deprive it of the essential commodity it tries to sell to its demographic: Freakiness with a capital F.
For this reason there is no point in going into convulsions about the 'type' of brony who will represent us. Barring the most extreme and aberrant behavior, whoever is selected will be made to appear as weird as they can manage- and they have all the tools at their disposal to do just that.
The good news is that this changes almost nothing.
The neanderthals who will hate us after the show are the same ones who would have hated us anyway- and in any context. That's important to stress. The base demographic are tuning in for cheap titillation and hollow self-satisfaction- not enlightenment. Basically, as they are not amenable to reason it would be a waste of time to try reasoning with them. And the smaller percent who watch to be intrigued and learn about the nuances of human behavior are prescient enough to realize the gimmick and will already be prone to research beyond it.
Those who are not so inclined are out of our reach anyway. Let them have their laugh and move on to mocking suffering animals or deformed people or whatever else is on their itinerary. Let's not bother worrying about an element beyond our control who we wouldn't want to attract anyway.
Instead, simply present yourself with candor, nerve, intelligence,perspective, and most importantly, humor. It's much more difficult to make someone look foolish who is determined not to take themselves too seriously. As far as the perceptive portion of the audience is concerned, this will shine through. Appearance, living situation, etc. these are all unimportant to those whose minds are actually open.
To reiterate, few, if any, minds are going to be changed from the content itself. As a program that is forthrightly non analytical, it appeals to sensationalist presentation which will convince all those predisposed to be taken in by it and will be understood for what it is by those who know better.
Really then, the reaction of the viewers themselves is largely irrelevant.
The benefits derive more from the legitimate interest we may attract from the media clamor that comes with any major press. This raises our profile, which, while making us more vulnerable to petty attacks from faceless drones, gives us some power and with it some control over our image in the future.
The things we have to worry about are almost exclusive to things we can't control and which will prove to have the smallest impact on the community in the long term. These aren't things which should dictate the steps we might take to have a voice in the wider cultural discourse.
Also, sooner or later we will get hit with this as a community. I think the best defense will be, as Pinkie Pie sang, laughter. Honest, hard laughter when we're asked to our faces about the 'deviance', because the concept is that hilarious and that not-based-in-reality.
ReplyDeleteI saw this awhile ago during a lull at work, and while everything's probably already been said, I thought I'd throw my two bits in. I saw this and initially freaked. However, as I thought about it, I don't think this is as bad as we are making it out to be. Yes, they'll try to spin this for sensationalism just like how most of the American media does with everything else, but shows like this have a reputation. They're low credibility, low viewership basic cable that caters to an audience that has already decided. While I wouldn't want to give them an easy target, I don't think they're a big threat. The kind of people they'll persuade are the kind that would be haters anyways.
ReplyDeleteTo the comments that Hasbro might wash their hooves of MLP to save face, I think they have too much invested to do that. Rebooting the series and producing G4 cost them a fortune, and MLP is selling well. I think they'd rather not toss away that money.
TO finish off the rant, I'd suggest stickying this on here, ponychan, FIMchan, and wherever else gets decent traffic for a few days. I'd like everypony to know what's coming should they decide to risk it.
I suggest, like has been stated before, that we beat them to the punch. This hand has unfortunately been dealt to us: We are getting attention. We are growing. We have to accept that. But who said we have to let these neighsayers(hehehe) interview us?! Nopony, thats who! If they want to see us, I say we give them something to see! Lets volunteer! If bronies start volunteering at animal shelters and doing food drives, do you think the media will be keen on slandering us? Heck no! If we make our own movies of bronies doing selfless things and basically promoting the vision of the show and upload it on our own, we will have 1) Done some amazing things anyway, and 2) Given ourselves protection from any potential discrediting. My parents have been actively involved in doing toy runs for Toys For Tots for several years, and the biking community has some INSANE people in it. Do they ever get flak for it? Hay no. I think we should do the same thing. And if anyone brought my point up before, I obviously agree and second your motion.
ReplyDelete@Lupus Albus
ReplyDeleteShould this be true, I think we all must facehoof.
reposting... This one deserve visibility:
ReplyDelete"Um, guys. The show that actually contacted us WASN'T My Strange Addiction. It was Hidden Lives. It's only the same people, not the same show."
Bronies, from a friendly furry who has seen this kind of thing over and over, welcome to Public Relations and "The Media".
ReplyDeleteShockumentary? lol no. We'd want to avoid THAT. They want ratings, they don't care who they will stomp to get them. Not even for your five minutes of fame, don't give them ANYTHING. I can't stress this much. They will distort whatever you may say and make you look like a deviant, no matter what. Do it and risk of being shunned and frowned upon, goodbye love & tolerance.
If they have the right credentials and are in the credibility business (lol, sorry but no thank you Fox News) then maybe you'd want to give them a chance and a call. Best of luck everypony!
"....and then one Brony would rise up and lead the herd to victory against the trolls and slanderers, and finally end the age long war..."
ReplyDeleteThere seems to be a fairly simple solution to all of this, beyond just ignoring it: get a young WOMAN to do it. Find a female brony that can speak confidently and is at least somewhat attractive to do this, and I doubt they'll have any idea what to do with it. They have their stereotype of bronies only being men, so why not destroy it?
ReplyDeleteicefox01 YOU ARE BRILLENT!
ReplyDelete@icefox01
ReplyDeleteBecause they won't accept a female brony.
Curse you Favo, you crushed my rising hopes!
ReplyDeleteI'd actually missed the announcement, but I wouldn't have been interested if I'd seen it.
ReplyDeleteThe reason? Anything that makes up who I am as a person has already been on the teleprompter of some asinus big-shot somewhere with a loud mouth and a bad haircut.
Half the cable TV news lineup already hates my guts.
That said, I am under no obligation to the producers of this documentary to give a shit. Flip the hoof, back to biz.
This does need to be fought, even if fighting it means not letting any brony go up. Yes they will pay an actor to be "Oh I want to have dirty pony sex with my waifu fluttershy she's so sexy."
ReplyDeleteThe fact is that kind of bullshit is over the top and any one with a lick of sense will see it for what it is. I've seen the show, and it is train wreck programming. It's rather obviously edited, and they never have normal people on there.
There have been many posts giving reasons why we just need to ignore this and hope they drop it. And that really is the second best we can hope for, and honestly the only thing we could rationally hope for.
I'm sure if Lauren still has any pull with hasbro, she will try to get them to throw their considerably heavier weight at TLC. Which lets face it, that would end this episode right there.
@Tritone
ReplyDeletesame people=same jerks *shrug*
@Chaos Knux
ReplyDeleteYou can find all the shows on a certain piratey site ;) Search for "range addiction" (no s).
A few people mentioned furry fandom. The show actually did a furry episode, so that could give an example. There was no sex implied in the episode. But remember they focus on the addiction that the person supposedly has. In that ep, she was addicted to wearing a fursuit. They showed her exercising in it, going bowling, etc. So whatever addiction it is that the brony has will be the focus. So, let's say they spend a lot of time watching the show. They'll add up how much time the brony spent watching in a year (or say instead they bought a lot of toys, they'll add up how much they would spend in a year). Then, he'll tell his friend he watches the show, friend freaks out, drama ensues you're wasting your life, etc. Brony goes to shrink. Shrink gives some BS psychobabble. If the brony was positive about his addiction, it'll probably be mostly positive response, if negative, they'll suggest ways to overcome.
I'd say a best case scenario show would be like the one where the guy has a relationship with his realdoll. In that one, he was always positive and quite convinced that he was doing fine, and all his friends backed him up on it too (they all knew already). Even the shrink was convinced there was no problem. The only reason the show probably went on air is because he talked and dressed kinda weird (I'd say he was a nerd), and of course the subject matter, so they still could be successful in making you think he was a freak.
Oh, one thing I should mention is there are always two in a single episode.. so each persons entire appearance is only a little over 10 minutes.. And they recap their favorite parts over and over with each commercial or when they switch back and forth.
ReplyDelete@Dusty the Royal Janitor
ReplyDeleteI disagree I believe that the Brony community is strong enough in our love of the show and each other that some bad pr is not going to kill the community. It will probably make it harder to get new people into the show because of preconception bias based on the little they know about the show because of shockumentaries. But MLP:FiM has done so much to change my outlook on life for the better and brings so much love and joy to the world as a whole I have to believe that in the long run it will stand strong and tall.
@Favo Any confirmation of this or is this just assumptions being made?
ReplyDeleteThis might be a long shot, but why not make the first impression ASAP. My first idea would be something like the Ellen show. Good enough coverage, insightful, and she would probably go crazy over are “Love and Tolerate” motto. The Brony community as a whole is a great group to show that kids can overcome online bullying. There is a contact Ellen page somewhere on her site. One of you tech Bronies could get a petition to show our backing for the idea. We could get the Brony super team ( IMO- Sethisto, iBringdaLulz, Purple Tinker, and FluttershyElsa) to show how we rock on all forms of media. (Sethisto, you are the Captain America of the Brony community XD ) In short we could get a chance to defend ourselves.
ReplyDeleteTL;DR
1. Get Ponies on Ellen
2. Show that we rock
3.???
4.Profit
p.s. we could ask Ellen, voice of Dory from finding Nemo, to voice Ditzy/Derpy :D
Ugh... well, this is unpleasant. As has been noted before, we're literally unable to win this one; they're the one who produces the episode, and as such, they have total control of what content they're going to show. The fact they're even showing interest in doing a Brony show pretty much guarantees that if they want to do that episode, they will.
ReplyDeleteI guess we can hope that Hasbro will have some words with them (to prevent defamation), but if the company decides to ignore it...
Love and Tolerate everypony. Love and Tolerate.
ReplyDeleteReally? This really needs to be stated? o_0
ReplyDeleteY'know, you guys need to have a little more faith in the power of the pony. Even though these guys are trying to create a negative show (and I'm certain they'll succeed), they do need to do at least a basic level of research about it. They'll fall directly into the trap.
ReplyDeleteLet me put it this way, they have a negative outlook on this show and the fans. They'll research the show possibly to the point of actually watching it because they need to find some dirt on us.
Does that sound familiar to you, because to me it sounds like the way 90% of us became bronies. None of us knew what we were getting into before we saw this, and I'm willing to bet that they don't know either.
Just wait, when the people behind the show suddenly realize that these ponies are awesome, they'll tone down the hate. There will still be hate because they need it to make money, but not nearly as much as there could be.
Basically, business as usual. Move on.
@Ish
ReplyDeleteMoney>Ponies
That's the fucking terrible world we live in
I can only hope that everypony who sent a response to the casting call sees this
ReplyDeleteMy biggest fear is the poor soul that they do decide to interview is naive and completely, bluntly honest. They'll tear him to shreds.
ReplyDeleteI feel awful sometimes for people like Rebecca Black; they honestly did something that they enjoyed, showed it off, like everybody else does on the internet, and got positively thrashed for it. Yes, I know that her parents spent a lot of money on it, and she's probably spoiled as well, but there are plenty of other horrible music videos. PLENTY. And hers was pinpointed and ridiculed almost instantly. She even had to drop out of high school because of the bullying.
I really do fear the outcome of this. I really really do. Not really for the community itself; we have a lot more resilience than an individual.
Oh! I know what to do! We should go to a junkyard and get pieces to build and 88 milimiter artillery to raid international banks and then raise funds to get a fleet of AC-130 gunships and-
ReplyDeleteWe're fucked, aren't we?
I's this for real? i mean, maybe I forgot my meds again...
ReplyDeleteThis was very enlightening, great information to keep in mind!
ReplyDelete@Coyote
ReplyDeletePlease go away. Before you do I'm going to explain this as simply as possible. The furry fandom itself is not a sexual gathering. People NEED to understand that in any fandom, it's not some... minor amount of people who have sexual urges. It's everyone. Every last one of you has/or will have depending on your age, sexualized urges and fantasies. Everyone's gotta get off.
So when, naturally, people in that fandom find well-done sexualized artwork, it becomes material. It's not some great, dark sickness that infects and spreads, because everyone is capable of it. Furries have been around for decades, so there's tons of furry porn. And yes, subcultures tend to attract people who can't find acceptance elsewhere, but they're just part of us - and shouldn't be consigned to the corner to be treated like the red headed stepchild that everyone else outside their fandom already treats them as.
That said, I agree... we need to avoid the media. If we do, they'll say we're secretive and cultish, yes. But then what? That's all they can say. But if we try to play their game, we'll inadvertently give them ammo to use against us. Any fandom you've been in before, any of you, knows this to be true. Especially the mainstream hate-machine targets.
If you say something good about what you like, someone will immediately twist what you say or bring it back to the central idea of what the commonplace thinks is wrong with it so that you're unable to escape either helping their attempts or just making yourself look bad.
I plead with you, fellow bronies... don't think you can be some sort of hero and save the fandom or make it look pure and wonderful by going with these jackoffs. No matter who or what you are, you are not beyond reproach.
Such as to the Navy Brony, our nation thanks you for your service, but this television station will use it against you. There's already the ages-old inter-branch casual hate-machining of each other. Coming from an Air Force family, I know this first hand, that the stigma with the Navy is that it's generally made up of homosexuals. Now, I doubt any brony is going to have a serious issue with that, but the show would make note of it. (Leave on a battleship, come back on a ferry/fairy boat) They can also swing it harder into the negative sensationalism, saying that bronies are 'infiltrating'/'corrupting' the military, like we're some sort of cult. Or worse, that 'even the nation's finest can't escape...'. Examples off the top of my head. Anything can be made to sound like anything if you spin it right/clever inflection and manipulation.
Better to avoid them altogether rather than expecting you're the chosen one who can beat the odds. Do. Not. Gamble. This. Of course, that's just caution speaking. Maybe nothing will come of it. Maybe it won't be such a big deal if it does. But prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
hmmm true true...sometimes a live interview may not turn out good...they might try to twist your words XD
ReplyDeletein anycase who ever gets interviewed just a word of caution
hmmm in anycase who ever will be interviewed just be careful of what you say they might twist your words around
ReplyDeleteand good luck!
Absolutely excellent advice.Thank you for posting this.
ReplyDelete@Favo
ReplyDeleteYour last post about us going to a junkyard and building an 88 millimeter artillery mentally verbalized in Pinkie Pie's voice as I read it. I suppose that's my cue to get some sleep already.
@wackyteen Agree 100% percent. A documentary coming from the point of views from the fans would allow the people to gain a better understanding of who we are.
ReplyDeleteAs for this "My Strange Addiction" show, I really hope the episode doesn't go through. Like the post said, the world is a cruel place, and we would probably be treated worse by the extreme point of view the show likes to have. If the episode does go through, however, I'm hoping the person is a chill Brony or Pegasister.
I really don't think I should have to keep saying this, but the original post said 20 West Productions wanted bronies to show up on Hidden Lives. My Strange Addition only came up because that was the last program they produced.
ReplyDeleteI'm not seeing a huge need to worry. When it comes to TLC, people have either never heard of it or know it as that channel full of complete garbage. I don't know if there's some disturbing sub-group of people that actually take that channel seriously, but if there is, that is one group that truly deserves to be featured on "My Strange Addiction".
ReplyDeleteAs for general media relations, just refuse to have anything to do with TLC, Fox, or any sensationalist programs like them. Explicitly state concerns about their lack of journalistic integrity and throw up an open letter on ED stating that the fanbase is willing to deal with reputable organizations. This should counter the "secretive cult claims"
Okay, people, the FOX news thing does not count as a serious smear attempt. It is Redeye, they're comedy spoof show. Nothing they do on that show is to be taken seriously, not even by the people doing it.
ReplyDeleteyeah i don't see how watching a show for little girls as a male should be similar to people who eat rocks and do other strange weird things
ReplyDelete@WhiteDiamonds
ReplyDeleteWell, sometimes i do happen to lose my mind just a little bit... Good morning, everypony.
I agree that we need a brony-made documentary. Something like the video done by That Guy with the Glasses, minus the sarcasm, would be nice.
ReplyDeleteAs for the mainstream media, there is one group that comes to mind: Fanboy Confessional. In their first season, they covered groups like Cosplayers, Steampunk, Furries and LARPers -- and did so not only in a dignified, non-sensational, non-biased-journalism-student manner, but in a way that made the fandoms I wasn't familiar with look pretty awesome. Personally, though, I think 30 minutes was not enough time for them to properly explore and define each fandom. (The Furry episode, for instance, didn't talk about the artwork and communities online enough. They're kind of important too, you know.)
If FC gets a second season, they probably will be covering us bronies. And, again, if there's anyone we can trust to make a decent documentary about us, I think it's these guys.
This brings up a great point, and honestly we should all just ignore just ignore this, to quote a Mr. Ackbar "IT'S A TRAP!".
ReplyDeleteAlrighty, listen up everypony!
ReplyDeleteIf we send anybody to do an interview, we are screwed.
If we don't send anybody, they'll either find some bronies on the streets that haven't gotten this warning, or they'll find people to pose as bronies, and thus we are screwed.
The past episodes of this show coupled with the fact we are still a new fandom that not too many outsiders know about, means any negative spin (likely) they put on us will result in a total PR disaster.
This is one of those situations in which if we don't play the game, we lose. On the other hand, if we play the game according to their rules, we lose as well.
So how do we play the game and win? Well, here's some ideas:
1. If you're a brony who happens to do something amazing that will awe and respect the public, then make your own interview.
- For example, I plan on doing a professional grade interview to upload to YouTube that basically interviews the bronies at my squadron. We work on helos, we fly on helos, and some of us (such as myself and 1 other brony) have open ocean rescues. The public doesn't want to see interviews of normal people. They want to see weird, or amazing.
- Do you happen to be a skydiver? BASE jumper? Find all the bronies you can find at a skydive boogie, and get some jump footage of you jumping together mixed in with interviews about how you all became bronies.
2. Get our respected artists/writers/musicians featured on big name TV.
- You can't just ask the Colbert Report to do a brony interview. The writers for the show need a reason to interview us. So give it to them. Perhaps Lauren Faust or one of the current team leaders of MLP would like to be interviewed on a Colbert Report special on bronies? It'll never happen unless we (the fandom) message the writers of the show, and keep pushing for a brony episode. Perhaps Alex S. would be a good candidate for an interview, as he's definitely an up and coming electronic music star.
- Colbert Report not looking likely? Try the Daily Show. I have absolute confidence that we can push to have them do a segment about us. It's a matter of convincing them we have something worthwhile to bring to their show.
Going back to my original statement, if we sit around and do nothing, we will lose, and likely lose pretty bad. If we play into their game according to their rules, we will lose even worse.
The only way to win in this situation is to beat this show to a widespread public awareness of bronydom, and if we can beat them to it, we can show the brony fandom to the public according to our rules, and how we want to be portrayed.
So let's get the ball rolling! It's time to make bronies known everywhere!
BTW, I feel this entire topic needs to be stickied on the front page until the situation is resolved.
ReplyDelete@waffle911
ReplyDeleteI just looked this up myself. Knowing this, TLC wouldn't dare incriminate My Little Pony in the way we're all worrying about. Think about it; if they cause The Hub to lose ratings and popularity, John Hendricks (the Chairman of Discovery Communications, which owns TLC and The Hub) will pull the plug on the people behind that documentary pretty quick, and stop giving them paychecks. I doubt the people who are going to make this documentary aren't aware of this.
i remember steve colbert giving a shout out on his show to bronies as well (the crowd cheered). and actionscripter is right, america can turn a sneeze into an aids epidemic. ive seen more homeless people that have more dignity and honesty to them than the media here. its a very interesting thing isnt it? were just normal,open-minded,nice people who can actually enjoy things in life with out judging or hating. which is what the world claims to strive for yet we cant innocently like things thats actually good (its a completely family friendly show, and like old cartoons) but its perfectly ok to watch the trash on tv now a days. it makes me feel that people are exposing them selfs to "unhealthy" media persay that it influences how they think. they watch stuff where alot of bad things are displayed and in turn they probably get scared on the inside. they see something like this and they cant believe the truth. they think that something is wrong because they cant see it any other way.(in other words they cant unsee it) so yes for the love of all things good and innocent. we actually have to protect the good and innocent.
ReplyDeleteIn case no one has already pointed it out...
ReplyDeleteKagemushi, a well-respected member of the furry community and old hand at public relations, has conducted several panel discussions on presenting to the public. In his case he was discussing furry culture, but all or most of his points apply to brony culture as well.
Here's a link to the first section of his discussion, including lots of tips and tricks for sidestepping uncomfortable questions (and when to just hold your tongue because you'll never get a fair shake anyway):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5HyMH7YXFM